gosub
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How big a cube do your mates demand as play ground?
Russian Long Range Bombers disrupt UK airspace
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
slightly problematically the BEAR H's main role is lobbing cruise missiles, so if it was going to be a very bad boy he'd not come anywhere near the UK and just drop his guts waaaaaaaaayyyyy the hell up north and go home for tea and cabbage soup, however they have a secondary nuclear free-fall bombing role (a somewhat optomistic appraisal of their penetration capability), and i suppose that if one were to either pentrate UK sovereign air space (the 12 mile limit), or conduct itself in a way that indicated it was about to release a stand-off weapon, then the RAF would get its first air-to-air kill since 1982 - in Germany...
i am reliably informed that RAF interception procedure does not involve warning shots, and nor does it involve politicians saying 'yay/nay'.
coley
Well-Known Member
slightly problematically the BEAR H's main role is lobbing cruise missiles, so if it was going to be a very bad boy he'd not come anywhere near the UK and just drop his guts waaaaaaaaayyyyy the hell up north and go home for tea and cabbage soup, however they have a secondary nuclear free-fall bombing role (a somewhat optomistic appraisal of their penetration capability), and i suppose that if one were to either pentrate UK sovereign air space (the 12 mile limit), or conduct itself in a way that indicated it was about to release a stand-off weapon, then the RAF would get its first air-to-air kill since 1982 - in Germany...
i am reliably informed that RAF interception procedure does not involve warning shots, and nor does it involve politicians saying 'yay/nay'.
Aye, but what stops Putin floating his bombers around in international airspace 'loaded for bear' trying to provoke NATO?
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
It depends, but for a non-squwaking bogey it would be as much as possible without causing massive disruption. Certainly 10km+.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
any naughty aircraft within a european airspace would be getting escort and severe bollocking on ground unless it was a genuine threat though. The cold wars done man, you won. Sort of.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
10km = a minute at 500kph
At 900 kph its a lot less I can't imagine the bears an agile beast
gosub
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Saturday night pissed maths, tis only about 30,000 feet now I'm sober
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
I see Vladimir is giving the Argentinians a dozen bombers as well now. Smaller than those things mind..positively tiny .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Last year the raf forced a lithuainian commercial transport antonov to land thinking it was Russian military . They tried to explain away the mistake on the basis the Ukrainian made antonov was Russian made . The jittery fucks . How many mistakes are that at the one go ?
2hats
Dust.
It was Latvian and intercepted at the request of air traffic control when it failed to communicate as it approached London CTR (subsequently reported to be due to radio failure).
There was a thread here.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
And another "Bear" gets an escort from Lossiemouth's Typhoons ..............
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32308307
There is a *big* NATO exercise running at this time.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32308307
There is a *big* NATO exercise running at this time.
T & P
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Other than a show of strength/ testing out response times, is there that much of a tactical advantage in having an aircraft based nuclear deterrent? Surely the Russians' formidable land and submarine based ICBMs are as good as unstoppable anyway...
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
its just waving of willy. Those territorial games all states play imo
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
The thing is using bears is basically using these.
This shit happens all the time by all players,it's just played up in the media from time to time to make a point about Russian (or U.S.,Iranian,Israeli,Chinese or a whole raft of others) aggression.Look at the Hainan Island incident for instance where the Yanks came close to being exposed in a full on spying operation against China.
T & P
|-o-| (-o-) |-o-|
The thing is, if you go nuclear against a nuclear power I don't think there'd be such a thing as a limited or contained conflict. Russia and the UK would nuke the shit out of each other, with the UK coming out 'worse', not that such thing would matter.
Flying a plane near your borders that might or might not be armed with nukes is ultimately not more threatening or game changing than having a Trident-armed sub lurking at an unspecified spot not far from your coastline. Unless I'm missing something.
Flying a plane near your borders that might or might not be armed with nukes is ultimately not more threatening or game changing than having a Trident-armed sub lurking at an unspecified spot not far from your coastline. Unless I'm missing something.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
From what I can make out they're simply on the way to their own exercises in the north Atlantic . And that's the route they've been taking for years with no controversy . Different story now that Russophobia is the default setting for so many people .
I see too that the swedes have finally admitted that story about the mystery submarine was a load of nonsense too . Just an ordinary boat they're saying now, after spending hundreds of millions fannying about . won't be any problem increasing the defence budget after terrifying their citizens with that tale though
2hats
Dust.
It's 'limited' by the number of warheads involved up to a point (for large arsenals)...
Oh go on then, let's play... Just those two? No, they wouldn't.
Up to 40 warheads (of ~100-500 hundred kT yield, numbers quite likely reduced by BMD if aimed anywhere of importance) targeted across a geographically vast area versus around 2700 warheads (of a much wider and larger range of yields) targeted at a very small country with one of the highest population densities in the world, with a fairly fragile, tech dependent, largely just-in-time supply chain.
One would "nuke the shit" out of the other. No prizes for guessing who.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Yeah but are policy is to make sure whoever starts it gets to glow in the dark.
Trident can punch through moscows abm defences kill hardened underground shelters or even target flying command centres ( thats not really difficult get a nuke with in 10 miles and vladforce 1 is toast).
Uk goverment really doesnt belive stings idea that the russians love their kids but does tend to belive they care rather more about their own neck
Happily the french take the complimentary view that what counts in nuclear war is lots of dead citys so are going for the megadaeth approach france might not survive but niether will the majority of russians
Trident can punch through moscows abm defences kill hardened underground shelters or even target flying command centres ( thats not really difficult get a nuke with in 10 miles and vladforce 1 is toast).
Uk goverment really doesnt belive stings idea that the russians love their kids but does tend to belive they care rather more about their own neck
Happily the french take the complimentary view that what counts in nuclear war is lots of dead citys so are going for the megadaeth approach france might not survive but niether will the majority of russians
2hats
Dust.
With policies like that, everyone gets to glow in the dark.
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