Have the IWCA had a big shift to the Right?
Russell Brand on Revolution
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Have the IWCA had a big shift to the Right?
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Fair enough, I just didn't think he was getting that much attention in the press for what he was doing, outside of various appearances to sell his book and the odd newsnight/C4 news spot that's probably off the radar of most of the population, but then I don't watch much telly so don't know where else he's been popping up. It's like they're giving him more attention and attacking harder than I though he would warrant, that's all. It's not like he's in any danger of starting a movement or anything.
As 'hypocrisy' goes it's fairly tame, there are more significant political figures guilty of far far worse, even allowing for the context of what he's been speaking out about, but I suppose 'celebs' sell a story more.
rekil
to menny cranks
His thing with Paxman has over 10 million views on youtube. Make of that what you will.
who you talking about
gosub
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/cel...ro-to-zero-Russell-Brands-biggest-gaffes.html
Another offshore owned media giant calls time on brand as one of the beautiful people. the indy is still giving him fair crack of the whip and the Beeb has booked him for a QT with Farage
Another offshore owned media giant calls time on brand as one of the beautiful people. the indy is still giving him fair crack of the whip and the Beeb has booked him for a QT with Farage
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
His point was that they love to keep foisting hate figures on the public - a manner of two minute hate i suppose - modern day bogeymen, whether it be asylum seekers or child murderers "I made up my mind about Ian Huntley when he abducted and killed those two girls, I don't need constant reminders of how evil he is - 'Oh no, Ian Huntley has been found with voodoo dolls in his cell, what a shame - I liked him!'".
Looks like he may be the current target of the two minute hate
The level of Russell Brands output 'The Trews' is prolific.
And much of what he says is true, espec exposure of people like Philip Green, Fox News, Walmart, etc.
Max Keiser is perhaps more 'highbrow' but a bit gruff and cocky for my liking.
Russell Brand is good enough for me.
If you aint read it, I recommend reading 'The Passionate state of mind' and 'The True Believer' by Eric Hoffer, on the nature of mass movements. They are also written in straightforward and clear English that is acccesible to everyone.
And much of what he says is true, espec exposure of people like Philip Green, Fox News, Walmart, etc.
Max Keiser is perhaps more 'highbrow' but a bit gruff and cocky for my liking.
Russell Brand is good enough for me.
If you aint read it, I recommend reading 'The Passionate state of mind' and 'The True Believer' by Eric Hoffer, on the nature of mass movements. They are also written in straightforward and clear English that is acccesible to everyone.
He is too cynical.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
braintax. Hip hop from leeds. This northern housemate I lived with introduced me to him. Massively ill advised galloway sample on one tune though. But skilled flow imo.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
there's 1000's of pages "on the topics he says he wants to highlight" spread accross these forums, accross a 10 yr + period
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
You are selling yourself short and by implication a lot of other people too; aspire to more.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
cantsin
Well-Known Member
aspiring to revolutionary purity is a fine and noble thing, and you must be complimented on your ascent to such heady climes
p), but while the rest of us trudge around grappling with everyday realities such as they are, the apparent age and outlook of the people i see engaging with Brand on soc. media etc is encouraging in the here and now : the raw anger, the bristling refusal to be preached at cos of their 'don't vote' positions ( maybe 'learnt' from Brand in some cases, but it's not a difficult proposition to take on), the awareness of the systemic cause of their relative lack of prospects etc -Brand, for all his inconsistencies / daftness, seems to have become one of the focal points for a generation of young oppositionists/potential oppositionists who have no illusions in Labour, none in the SWP, and apparently very few in the idea of never ending growth delivering them a brighter future. And for the time being, he doesn't look to be doing anyone else's job for them by coralling these (relative) youngsters down any ideological cul de sacs, or pretending to have all the answers.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
aspiring to revolutionary purity is a fine and noble thing, and you must be complimented on your ascent to such heady climes
Brand, for all his inconsistencies / daftness, seems to have become one of the focal points for a generation of young oppositionists/potential oppositionists who have no illusions in Labour, none in the SWP, and apparently very few in the idea of never ending growth delivering them a brighter future. And for the time being, he doesn't look to be doing anyone else's job for them by coralling these (relative) youngsters down any ideological cul de sacs, or pretending to have all the answers.
That wasn't what I was doing. To be clear what I was thinking was that it is better to aspire to represent ourselves, our needs and desires, than to have someone stand proxy for us. We are an intelligent and articulate society with massive means at our disposal, so lets aspire to make more not less of ourselves.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
christ - that is a desperate hatchet job. Apparently Brand is an OTT, hyper manic big mouth - well i never - they'll be running a big expose alleging that he's a sexually promiscuous drug fiend next.
strummerville
vinyl lover
Its John Lennon all over again isn't it?
rekil
to menny cranks
strummerville
vinyl lover
No Bono was always apolitical. Lennon was v similar to Brand in that he flirted with far left politics and preached 'revolution' (not the Beatles song kind he retracted that). Remember him dressing up in army fatigues and doing clench fist salutes, hanging out with the Black panthers and got slagged for singing 'Imagine no possessions' whilst playing it on a huge white piano in his Surrey mansion.
andysays
Love and solidarity
aspiring to revolutionary purity is a fine and noble thing, and you must be complimented on your ascent to such heady climes
Seriously, fuck right off with your snide comments about "revolutionary purity".
Even assuming that Russell Brand's heart is 100% in the right place, there are people posting here (and I don't include myself among them) who know more, have done more and have achieved more of real and genuine significance than he is ever likely to do.
In saying that, I'm in no way having a dig at Brand or saying that he shouldn't attempt to do things he things are worthwhile in whatever ways seem appropriate to him, but the idea that no-one should dare to criticise aspects of what he's doing, that we should just gratefully accept his recent decision to become a celebrity activist as if no-one can, could or has done anything without him to show us the way buys into the worst sort of elitest shit which is a huge part of the obstacle we have to overcome.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
he recently invited a known fascist to speak at his book launch and was less than gracious about dropping him when other speakers said they wouldn't share a platform. he's a conpiraloon and a hippy, he buys into the whole beyond left and right paradigm shift bollocks, he has supported Icke and he doesn't look like moving from that kind of position any time soon. This is a big problem, because this is almost becomong the de facto stance of a lot of those young oppositionists you speak of, and a lot of the older ones as well. look at some of the hip hop acts mentioned on here. it is chanelling people's anger at the shit that is happening to them into a dead end that makes then look daft at best and into the arms of fascists and mystics at worst. I think the problems of celebs in the movement as discussed on this thread are valid, but equally valid is criticism of the kind of shit Brand is coming out with. He's a politically ignorant liability and his sincerity only makes him more dangerous. That doesn't mean he can't row back from that and move on from being a loon, some people do, but there hasn't been any real sign of that yet.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
( The smiley was supposed to have signified I was being less than serious about 'revolutionary purity', but good to see the old humour by pass in action, nice one)
As for " the idea that no one should criticise aspects of what he's doing" , you'll have to point me in the direction of that particular straw man, must have missed it, cos I can't see anyone, anywhere even beginning to suggest that .
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
diane9 has done it to very insulting effect on the last few pages of this thread.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
She's done it to everyone that even dares doubt though. And that attitude is now real. And that's the fight now support RB or spit in the face of the 96. I want no part of that filth. Any talk about social housing - nah, defend RB,attack the sun/ attack RB.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Maybe you should read the thread you're contributing to before making comments referring to "revolutionary purity", you silly cunt
Ooh, I used a smiley, that means I can later claim I was being less than serious about calling you a silly cunt...
cantsin
Well-Known Member
Maybe you should read the thread you're contributing to before making comments referring to "revolutionary purity", you silly cunt
Ooh, I used a smiley, that means I can later claim I was being less than serious about calling you a silly cunt...
Thanks for the advice , I should have been more sensitive to how serious a subject " revolutionary purity" can be to some (plse feel free to keep giving it the " fuck right off " / " silly cunt " schtick , yre obviously a bit of chap around here eh )
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