Rochester & Strood by-election

[Pickman's model]

Like Kinnock wanking on a bench more like.

oh dear

pass the mind bleach

 

[DotCommunist]

that footage is so much better with the 'niel kinnock, falling endlessly into the sea' poetry v/o

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

He explicitly claims he wants that to happen. This is the measure of his confusion.

but that doesn't make any sense within the context of his declared politics... not if there's not going to be an alternative...

 

[butchersapron]

but that doesn't make any sense within the context of his declared politics... not if there's not going to be an alternative...

Of course it doesn't make any sense. That's why he's getting hammered.

 

[articul8]

Of course it doesn't make any sense. That's why he's getting hammered.

Of course I want alternative. But first we need the circumstances in which an alternative becomes possible

 

[butchersapron]

Of course I want alternative. But first we need the circumstances in which an alternative becomes possible

Let's make sure they don't happen by joining and voting for labour and chucking all sorts of buckets of abuse on people that point out this basis fucking contradiction.

 

[butchersapron]

a) Destroy labour because they're shit
b) how?
c) By voting labour.
d) Won't this help labour?
e) Yes, and as it should, because they are better and that's why you should vote for them
f) Destroy labour because they're shit

 

[articul8]

This is a contradiction in the situation - it's objective

 

[articul8]

Labour is both less shit than the Tories but still shit

 

[butchersapron]

This is a contradiction in the situation - it's objective

There's a contradiction in the bollocks you talk.

Great - now you're the living expression of the breakdown of left-wing political parties rather than a tawdry play both sides hack.

Not content with consistently being right to be wrong, you're now right to be all the above - as a demand of history.

 

[Buckaroo]

Sacking Emily Thornberry was a massive own goal, that only adds to the impression that Labour has a problem with snobbish liberal attitudes to the w/c in general. The bloke was a racist cunt anyway!

You said that.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Of course I want alternative. But first we need the circumstances in which an alternative becomes possible

Why would destroying Labour help? Also what does an alternative mean to you?

 

[articul8]

You said that.

And..?

 

[articul8]

Great - now you're the living expression of the breakdown of left-wing political parties rather than a tawdry play both sides hack.

Not content with consistently being right to be wrong, you're now right to be all the above - as a demand of history.

Yes, reality reaches its fullest, though imperfect, expression in my thought - I'm very Hegelian

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, reality reaches its fullest, though imperfect, expression in my thought - I'm very Hegelian

Thought? I think you overestimate wanking on a park bench.

 

[articul8]

Why would destroying Labour help? Also what does an alternative mean to you?

Labour will destroy itself or transform itself utterly - it can't just subsist. Your second question is very interesting. It means more than just another set of politicians promising things they can't start, or have no intention of, delivering.

 

[butchersapron]

Labour will destroy itself or transform itself utterly - it can't just subsist. Your second question is very interesting. It means more than just another set of politicians promising things they can't, or have no intention of, delivering.

Excellent - it faced the same choices from you in 1945, 1951, 1955, 1959, 1964, 1966 and every election onwards.

Which of these times were you right?

 

[articul8]

Excellent - it faced the same choices from you in 1945, 1951, 1955, 1959, 1964, 1966 and every election onwards.

Which of these times were you right?

That social democrats parties can and have navigated choppy waters doesn't mean they can't sink in future or that the waters they are entering aren't particularly dangerous

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

That social democrats parties can and have navigated choppy waters doesn't mean they can't sink in future or that the waters they are entering aren't particularly dangerous

No, but they can quite clearly subsist through all sorts which is not what you said

 

[butchersapron]

That social democrats parties can and have navigated choppy waters doesn't mean they can't sink in future or that the waters they are entering aren't particularly dangerous

Here's some examples of where the one facing these imperatives - the ones people like me outlined existed in every period post 45 - didn't do either of the things that they must have done. You know, for history to be right and all that - rather that a rote phrase about disconnection.

You can't even face the history of the varied positions you try and maintain never mind work out the consequences. Joker. Absolute fucking joker.

 

[articul8]

No, but they can quite clearly subsist through all sorts which is not what you said

Well yes there's nothing automatic here. But where in Europe are social democratic parties thriving? Perhaps this time they aren't waving but drowning?

 

[butchersapron]

Well yes there's nothing automatic here. But where in Europe are social democratic parties thriving? Perhaps this time they aren't waving but drowning?

Well yes, of course i was right to be wrong again - anyway that's what i said in the first place if you think about it.

Imagine being the person really thinking that this is what thought is about? What historical comparison is. Then look into the face of a clown.

 

[articul8]

Labour can't subsist indefinitely but nor is its implosion automatic. Both statements hold.

 

[butchersapron]

Labour can't subsist indefinitely but nor is its implosion automatic. Both statements hold.

Your previous statement said that it will implode or change utterly. You now say it won't implode and doesn't need to change utterly to avoid implosion. This within five minutes.

You utter fucking wreck of a man. Why don't people trust you?

 

[campanula]

sheesh, one on level, I can sort of enjoy this...but then again, it gets a bit fucking tedious. pitiful waffle, articul8...but vicious sniping, Butchers, does not endear me either. Time to fuck off back to suburban urban and cooking, I suspect.

 

[articul8]

Your previous statement said that it will implode or change utterly. You now say it won't implode and doesn't need to change utterly to avoid implosion. This within five minutes.

You utter fucking wreck of a man. Why don't people trust you?

It will implode or change but it can prolong the timeframe to a limited extent so there is no straightforward automaticity involved. This is not such an original position...

 

[butchersapron]

It will implode or change but it can prolong this timeframe to a limited extent so there is no straightforward automaticity involved. This is not such an original position...

Excellent - you have all of time to be both right/wrong.

Why do you write like somehow history has trapped you btw? It offers others potential, power, but you - a trapped cover your back hacky cowardfullness.

 

[Buckaroo]

Labour will destroy itself or transform itself utterly - it can't just subsist.

Labour can't subsist indefinitely but nor is its implosion automatic. Both statements hold.

It will implode or change but it can prolong the timeframe to a limited extent so there is no straightforward automaticity involved. This is not such an original position...

What?

 

[Wilf]

Listening to the debate on the Counter Terrorism Bill but Hazel Blears is speaking so need to pass the time doing something else. I think Labour will slacken the pace of the attacks, and its victory will punish the architects of austerity. This, inadequate as it is, is better than nothing. Then the battle will move on to fighting the Labour leadership.

You mean you will slacken the pace of the attacks - you choose to be part of this, this is you. And who are these architects of austerity that you are punishing - isn't Ed Balls planning further cuts to balance the budget? Again, you.

And the idea that you are planning all these attacks to make your party a bit less right wing is really fucked up.

 

[Sue]

This truly is the thread that keeps on giving in a car crash kind of a way.