Just seems to me that membership and active support for something you know will hit the working class hard is, well, just that, just what it is. It's also your version of that deeply horrible idea that the people have to suffer more before they seek change - and it's an entirely Labour Left version in that it focuses the whole process on securing change by way of the Parliamentary leadership.
And then i became all things to all men at all times.
what would that achieve, beyond making you feel that little bit more smug? If the net result was that we ended up with a Tory majority government because of people acting in this way, it would just mean that we'd get full on austerity, rather than austerity-lite. Well done.
It's present position is an uneasy compromise between Blairites who genuinely want to further the neoliberal restructing of the economy and society and want to use austerity to do that, and people with genuine links to the labour movement who want to advance the living standards of their communities. This tension will only be exacerbated by the experience of government. I'm not saying there's anything automatic, or even likely, about the side of the angels winning out. But it's a battle that will be fought out, and even marginal gains if that's all that comes out of it are better than nothing.
Uneasy? What a disingenuous self-serving characterisation. There are not two sides, though it profits you to pretend so - there is one and it has owned the party for 30 plus years.
Perhaps. I just don't see what the alternative is. A new workers party? Not much sign of that? The Greens? Where they get a sniff of power it's the same story. "None of the above"? And then?
Excellent now Ed Miliband represents these "people with genuine links to the labour movement who want to advance the living standards of their communities." (And last week it was you who wanted to get rid of him remember?) rather than a simple top=down manager of neo-liberalism and future austerity that he has shown himself to be be , that he has promised to be and that the labour party and wider state and capital demands he be. You really are living in some cloud cuckoo land.
No I didn't!!!! I just said he'd fucked up re Emily Thornberry. And of course I never said he "represents" pro-w/c forces
. I said he feels a degree of pressure from them. Not the same thing at all. Of course he also feels pressure from the City and the interests of big capital.Go on, say TUSC- i dare you.
Even better, you suggest that Ed Miliband is under pressure from people/forces which you think demonstrates a real living internal conflict between:No I didn't!!!! I just said he'd fucked up re Emily Thornberry. And of course I never said he "represents" pro-w/c forces
Nice use of after btw - you been watching your celtic tapes and youtubing the wolfetones again. Don't do it in your palace of work - you'll get lifted.
Ignoring what? and TUSC I don't see taking off, mainly because people are either wanting to get rid of the Tories, sick to death of politicians and anyone who makes political promises, or else blaming everything on the immigrants/muslims/illuminati whatever.
err, no. It's not a particularly odd expression? (although as it happens the young wolfe tones are playing the pub on my street on Friday).
I couldn't care less about the TUSC - you however often use it to throw sand in peoples eyes when you've ran out of road.
I didn't say it was odd - i suggested it was a measured use designed to appeal to your own sense of post-war anglo-irsh secretly catholic w/cness as against your actual real life conditions of being a sell out cunt sitting in a palace working for people in an union that you've never done the sort of work that the members have.
Nah, that'll be later when you meet the boys. And carry their bags.
When you say money, you literally just mean money rather than than the series of use-values that produce and reproduce us right?
