Rochester & Strood by-election

[articul8]

Marvelous he declares, get you declares, himself an organic intellectual in the gramscian sense.

err - I didn't declare any such thing!?

 

[articul8]

I just think you're a sell out two faced cunt.

Yes I'm a sellout two faced cunt who took at £15k pay cut to work in a job working for some of the most militant unions in the country.

 

[butchersapron]

I think that sadly even a Labour-led government would be committed to austerity spending plans although the attacks on the working class - though they would continue - would be offset to a greater degree than under the Tories by some elements of progressive taxation. But I still think it's worth electing a Labour government as it would in pretty short order start to betray the expectations of people who look to it to offer some meaningful alternative. So there's scope for some quite convulsive moves from within the wider party.

To be honest I'm not at all confident that there will be a Labour majority though. Particularly if Murphy wins the Scottish leadership.

Ah offset.

Yeah,waht happened after the last time the bottom fell out the labout vote? You argued vote labout or the tories might get in. Then you extended it to join labout because i'm great and not a tory. And this game will play.

 

[butchersapron]

err - I didn't declare any such thing!?

Yes you did.

 

[articul8]

Yes you did.

where?

 

[butchersapron]

Yes I'm a sellout two faced cunt who took at £15k pay cut to work in a job working for some of the most militant unions in the country.

Ah isn't it great to be sitting in the rooms of the powerful - to be in parliament and see all your heroes.

Are you really socrude that everything revolves around money?

 

[articul8]

Ah offset.

Yeah,waht happened after the last time the bottom fell out the labout vote? You argued vote labout or the tories might get in. Then you extended it to join labout because i'm great and not a tory. And this game will play.

No, I think there is every chance of something breaking for good this time - especially if Labour ends up leaning on the rump Lib Dems in a coalition.

 

[butchersapron]

where?

Exactly fucking here.

 

[articul8]

Ah isn't it great to be sitting in the rooms of the powerful - to be in parliament and see all your heroes.

Are you really socrude that everything revolves around money?

people don't generally sell out to feel worse off?!

 

[articul8]

Exactly fucking here.

Socialist ideas do arise out of the experience of the class itself - but there is, in a class society, a function for organic intellectuals in Gramsci's sense

I didn't declare anything about myself. The statement above holds irrespective of what I may or may not represent.

 

[butchersapron]

No, I think there is every chance of something breaking for good this time - especially if Labour ends up leaning on the rump Lib Dems in a coalition.

Oh, you think that. With your and their record. You and your lib-dem mates have thought that since well before 1983 - ta for thatcher btw.

 

[articul8]

Oh, you think that. With your and their record. You and your lib-dem mates have thought that since well before 1983 - ta for thatcher btw.

you misread what I mean here. I don't support Labour getting involved in such a coalition after 2015.

 

[butchersapron]

people don't generally sell out to feel worse off?!

They might plan accordingly though - so yeah a sell out political tax avoider.

 

[butchersapron]

I didn't declare anything about myself. The statement above holds irrespective of what I may or may not represent.

You didn't need to. No one else mentioned organic intellectuals. They called you a cunt and you defended organic intellectuals in response. You arrogant shit.

 

[articul8]

They might plan accordingly though - so yeah a sell out political tax avoider.

plan accordingly? tax avoider? what the fuck is all this?

 

[butchersapron]

you misread what I mean here. I don't support Labour getting involved in such a coalition after 2015.

Well fucking great. What a rad-fab.

 

[butchersapron]

plan accordingly? tax avoider? what the fuck is all this?

You think that you're the cleverest cunt going - can't you plan a career? One that has moved you far closer to job-opping people in power than the last one?

 

[butchersapron]

No, I think there is every chance of something breaking for good this time - especially if Labour ends up leaning on the rump Lib Dems in a coalition.

Didn't you predict 7 of the last three crisis?

 

[articul8]

Have you thought about seeing a therapist? You have anger issues.

 

[butchersapron]

Have you thought about seeing a therapist? You have anger issues.

Medicalising opposition - the rad-fab-stal position i talked about earlier.

 

[articul8]

Didn't you predict 7 of the last three crisis?

No. I thought the conditions existed for the Socialist Alliance to work. I'm not convinced that I was wrong in that objectively speaking, but the left conspired to fuck it up, especially the SWP. Things are shaping up differently now.

 

[butchersapron]

No. I thought the conditions existed for the Socialist Alliance to work. I'm not convinced that I was wrong in that objectively speaking, but the left conspired to fuck it up, especially the SWP. Things are shaping up differently now.

Dammit, you were right to be wrong yet again. This time is different from all the other times that were the same that goons like you said were different though.

 

[butchersapron]

No. I thought the conditions existed for the Socialist Alliance to work. I'm not convinced that I was wrong in that objectively speaking, but the left conspired to fuck it up, especially the SWP. Things are shaping up differently now.

You do know that no one takes anything you say about politics seriously? How did that happen? I mean, you're the expert right?

 

[articul8]

You do know that no one takes anything you say about politics seriously? How did that happen?

It's funny how so-called "anarchists" are some of the most herd-minded, comformist group-thinkers out-there. It's how these boards work. People are gobby and dismissive in inverse proportion to their ability to contribute anything worthwhile of their own.

 

[articul8]

Dammit, you were right to be wrong yet again. This time is different from all the other times that were the same that goons like you said were different though.

Your alternative scenario being - the left is fucked. the left will only get more fucked. Well, thanks for that. Now what?

 

[butchersapron]

It's funny how so-called "anarchists" are some of the most herd-minded, comformist group-thinkers out-there. It's how these boards work. People are gobby and dismissive in inverse proportion to their ability to contribute anything worthwhile of their own.

I am the breaker of history.

Lad, get a fucking hold of yourself.

 

[articul8]

Again, I haven't said any such thing. But look forward to an answer to ^

 

[butchersapron]

Your alternative scenario being - the left is fucked. the left will only get more fucked. Well, thanks for that. Now what?

The alternative scenarios are you
a) stop being wrong so often
b) stop arguing that you were right to be wrong so often
c) Stop insisting right now that you are right.

 

[Buckaroo]

 

[articul8]

I have said there are possibilities of something happening. If/when it doesn't in the event happen, that doesn't make me wrong. The onus is on you to demonstrate not only that it didn't in the event happen, but that I was wrong about the possibility of it happening.