Rochdale grooming trial: Nine men jailed

[Frances Lengel]

No I would say that most were victims but there were ones who knew exactly what they were doing. some young girls enjoyed the money ,weed presents etc.Im not saying its a good thing its a very twisted thing.But girls from broken homes and vulnerable crave the attention that leads to the abuse.

The victims probably did enjoy the money, weed and presents - Which is why their abusers plied them with weed etc - In order to facilitate the abuse. You worthless prick.

 

[Citizen66]

What happens if this girl had make up on and looked alot older.

And a short skirt and cute painted nails. Nomnomnom.

 

[Citizen66]

What happens if this girl had make up on and looked alot older.

Then you'd be intentionally raping and systematically abusing a young adult, rather than the child that you are accidentally raping and systematically abusing. Dickweed.

 

[ViolentPanda]

None of them are ? Like i mentioned there was one young girl who was bringing girls back to be abused. How many more of these girls were bringing other girls to be abused?

You know why that happens? It's not because they want gifts or approval, it's not even particularly about putting someone else in the line of abuse because that means you won't be abused, at least that day, it's about the dynamic between the abused and the abuser(s), and the fact that in order to stay sane, people will convince themselevs to do all sorts of counterintuitive things, including "feeding" their abusers with new victims.
Get a fucking clue, for fucks' sake.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What happens if this girl had make up on and looked alot older.

Fuck off. Really. You're coming across like someone who fucks his kid cousin, then whines "but she doesn't look 12, she's got tits and she was wearing lipstick and everything".

 

[ViolentPanda]

How do we know they did not abuse Asian girls?

Read the post properly, ern.

 

[ViolentPanda]

These men were not muslim .They drank alcohol which is against Islam so we cant really call them muslim.

YOu don't know a lot about the religions of the book, do you? C of E, by any chance?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Because you're a cunt, that's why.

You have made excuses for pedophiles, you have attempted to lay the blame at the victims door, you have failed to show some basic level understanding of abuse cycles, you are saying vile things.

He probably thinks an abuse cycle is something you buy from Halfords.

 

[Joe Reilly]

I go to night clubs and there are girls in there that do look alot older than they are. I was out christmas time and was chatting to two girls my mate came over and mentioned they were only 14 year old. But they looked like they were in the early 20s . Now if i would of chatted one up and gone home with her .A couple of days later police could come and arrest me . Some girls do look alot older than they really are.

You will be aware the court's familiarity with that line I suppose? But that aside /how would it look if after you had gone home with her, and found out her real age, you still decided to ply her with drink/drugs and invite your mates or male relatives around? Later on in 'the relationship' you might decide to bring her to other towns and other cities for commercial reasons and to boost your standing. And after you got tired of her you cast her aside, or use her to procure other youngsters for your entertainment? What then?

On a broader point reason the youngsters are targetted is because to the perps all women are slags and white women even slaggier.

The particular attraction of underage girls is that they are more pliable to begin with and more easily intimidated and manipulated thereafter.

 

[Fedayn]

You will be aware the court's familiarity with that line I suppose? But that aside /how would it look if after you had gone home with her, and found out her real age, you still decided to ply her with drink/drugs and invite your mates or male relatives around? Later on in 'the relationship' you might decide to bring her to other towns and other cities for commercial reasons and to boost your standing. And after you got tired of her you cast her aside, or use her to procure other youngsters for your entertainment? What then?

On a broader point reason the youngsters are targetted is because to the perps all women are slags and white women even slaggier.

The particular attraction of underage girls is that they are more pliable to begin with and more easily intimidated and manipulated thereafter.

Exactly, that line to the judge only 'works' if it is a one off and no repeat not to mention the kind of revolting add-ons that you mention.

 

[Streathamite]

These men were not muslim .They drank alcohol which is against Islam so we cant really call them muslim.

are you for real? There are LOADS of muslims who observe every other Islamic requirement but who drink!

 

[scoobydoo]

You seem very sure of yourself here.

How do you know that a gang of men from Pakistani backgrounds who seem to have targeted young white girls almost exclusively* were not at least partially motivated to select these girls based on their race among other factors?

I'm sure the overriding factor involved here was that they were vulnerable young girls who were essentially from outside their immediate community, and who they thought they could get away with this with, but I think it'd be naive to entirely exclude the racial element to their selection of their victims.


*I note the one exception now posted up, though it's not clear if this girl was an exception, and it certainly seems as if this girl was only abused by one of the men, which seems a significant difference. It's also not clear if this girl was a Pakistani muslim, or from a Sikh or Hindu background.

This had nothing to do with racism.Grooming happens all over the country and involves groomers from all races so how can this be a racial crime.
Just just giving fascists ammnunition.

 

[scoobydoo]

You will be aware the court's familiarity with that line I suppose? But that aside /how would it look if after you had gone home with her, and found out her real age, you still decided to ply her with drink/drugs and invite your mates or male relatives around? Later on in 'the relationship' you might decide to bring her to other towns and other cities for commercial reasons and to boost your standing. And after you got tired of her you cast her aside, or use her to procure other youngsters for your entertainment? What then?

On a broader point reason the youngsters are targetted is because to the perps all women are slags and white women even slaggier.

The particular attraction of underage girls is that they are more pliable to begin with and more easily intimidated and manipulated thereafter.

You sound like edl why would these men think white girls are slaggier race never came into it.

 

[scoobydoo]

are you for rewal? There are LOADS of muslims who observe every other Islamic requirement but who drink!

But these are not real muslims .I am muslim and alcohol is haram.

 

[dylanredefined]

Since their allowed out on their own and can dress how they like.Their precived as slags by some asian men and seen as fair game.

 

[Citizen66]

You sound like edl why would these men think white girls are slaggier race never came into it.

Because they don't cover themselves from head to foot in cloth and don't spend their evenings indoors in domestic subservience perhaps? It's cultural so no idea why you're mentioning race. Of course not all Muslim men are rapists. But these cultural elements are feeding the mentality of the ones that are.

 

[butchersapron]

You sound like edl why would these men think white girls are slaggier race never came into it.

Slaggier? Really?

 

[scoobydoo]

Since their allowed out on their own and can dress how they like.Their precived as slags by some asian men and seen as fair game.

Do you know how racist you sound

 

[Citizen66]

Slaggier? Really?

Joe Reilly used that expression.

 

[dylanredefined]

But these are not real muslims .I am muslim and alcohol is haram.

Well people are weak.Some Muslims would claim as your not fighting the jihad your not a real Muslim.I think the whole raping and abusing women is pretty higher up the list of reasons they are not good Muslims rather than drinking

 

[butchersapron]

Do you know how racist you sound

Have you got any idea, the slightest inkling of how misogynistic you sound? The poster you replied to is a right-winger. You seem to think you're of the left. You're not.

 

[Streathamite]

But these are not real muslims .I am muslim and alcohol is haram.

Yes I KNOW that but you're missing the point-by a mile.
There are millions of people who call themselves muslim - and drink alcohol. As far as thedy are concerned, they are every bit as devout as you.
And btw your defence of these scumbags in Rochdale is utterly vile and despicable. Shame on you!

 

[butchersapron]

Joe Reilly used that expression.

Yep, and and this clown endorsed it - seemingly not realising that Joe was attacking that sort of thinking.

 

[scoobydoo]

Because they don't cover themselves from head to foot in cloth and don't spend their evenings indoors in domestic subservience perhaps? It's cultural so no idea why you're mentioning race. Of course not all Muslim men are rapists. But these cultural elements are feeding the mentality of the ones that are.

What you got against muslims? Domestic subservience? been reading the daily mail again

 

[purenarcotic]

Do you really think that? You think there aren't white men who go after black kids specifically? Pedophiles will have their personal turn ons I'm afraid; they'll be after one thing more than something else. It's sickening to contemplate, but it would be stupid to not recognise it. The culture somebody grows up in may well influence and affect this choice.

Pedophilia occurs worldwide in every culture, nobody is suggesting it's a problem only specific to Asian men, just that in this specific case, it was white girls who were targeted.

Also, you seem very sure of yourself; do you know these people? How do you know race didn't come into it; have you had a personal conversation with them?

Did you know that most online grooming is carried out by white males (it's something like 90% of online pedophilia is carried out by white males)? What's your opinion on that? Do you think that's at all relevant? Do you think there's something about our culture that influences this?

 

[dylanredefined]

Do you know how racist you sound

Again and again that view is seen in young asians though.

 

[scoobydoo]

Yes I KNOW that but you're missing the point-by a mile.
There are millions of people who call themselves muslim - and drink alcohol. As far as thedy are concerned, they are every bit as devout as you.
And btw your defence of these scumbags in Rochdale is utterly vile and despicable. Shame on you!

But if they drink alcohol they are not considered muslim. Alcohol is haram so if you drink it your not muslim. You can call yourself muslim but you are not really muslim.

 

[Citizen66]

What you got against muslims? Domestic subservience? been reading the daily mail again

I have nothing against Muslims. I do have a problem with some of the more conservative interpretations of Islam that places women as second class citizens, though. I'm libertarian left so that would make sense, no?

 

[scoobydoo]

Again and again that view is seen in young asians though.

Why has race got to come into it? this is about men abusing girls.

 

[Citizen66]

But if they drink alcohol they are not considered muslim. Alcohol is haram so if you drink it your not muslim. You can call yourself muslim but you are not really muslim.

But raping white girls isn't haram?