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Rochdale grooming trial: Nine men jailed

scoobydoo said:
Arranged marriages can work .The women always has a choice and can decline. Forced marriages is different and this is very rare ive never heard of it in my community.
All cultures have pro's and cons.

The white western culture is to put old people into care homes sons and daughters putting their parents into care homes when they get older. This would never happen in my community.
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Pros and cons? Forced marriage isn't a 'con', it's a fucking disgrace. :facepalm:
 
purenarcotic said:
What a fucking ridiculous statement to make, that every single woman is treated perfectly. You sound about three years old, grow up.
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i think there's a question of perspective here which feeds back into the original question though. comparatively, Muslim girls in Rochdale are well looked after (as in, there are people looking out for them in the community in however patriarchal a form). the white girls who were preyed upon were not looked after at all, in many cases rejected even by their own families. this is one of the main reasons they were able to be abused.

alongside this there are ingrained attitudes within many Pakistani communities in the North West which encourage the idea that these girls are nothing more than 'sluts' who, because of their decadent Western lifestyles deserve anything that comes to them, which acts as a self-justification. Muslim girls deserve protecting and treating 'right' because they are worthy, non-Muslim girls are lower than dirt. these views are held by significant groups within the community and are not just relegated to the 'usual suspects' of boisterous young men, but also (as this grooming case shows) permeate some respected layers of the community (it should be noted that the community itself is encouraged in these ideas by general non-Muslim society at large, who constantly label these layers of girls as being trashy chav slags as well).

it's indicative of the strength of the above attitudes that for some, 'drinking' is considered a more serious religious crime than grooming underage girls. just pointing out to scoobydoo that the reason you're claiming these guys aren't Muslims bears no relation to the most serious of their crimes. it also doesn't pay any attention to the fact that these men were respected in their communities, regular mosque-goers and certainly not purged for their 'haram' habits. you can subjectively consider them whatever you want but the reality is that they were accepted by the Pakistani community in Rochdale and, as has been noted earlier in the thread, the depth of this gang goes far deeper than the 9 men who were convicted.

personally i also think it's a gross over-simplification to label this scandal an issue of paedophilia... i genuinely think the main question here is an utterly divided community in Rochdale where cultural/religious bullshit is being used to justify horrendous acts of sectarian abuse. i think most of these men would have been quite happy to be raping drugged up 20+ year olds too but for logistic reasons it was more convenient to pick on vulnerable teenagers. paedophilia is arguably a question of atomised perversion - whereas this was systematic.
 
scoobydoo said:
Arranged marriages can work .The women always has a choice and can decline. Forced marriages is different and this is very rare ive never heard of it in my community.
All cultures have pro's and cons.

The white western culture is to put old people into care homes sons and daughters putting their parents into care homes when they get older. This would never happen in my community.
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not sure that a) white western culture exists and b) that this is a key part of it. Vast majority of our older population live at home
 
scoobydoo said:
Muslim women are very looked after and are not second class citizens .If you ask Muslim women if they feel like 2nd class citizens they will start laughing. These attitudes come from the far right and the daily mail:facepalm:.
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So you deny forced marriage exisis within some Muslim communities?

Oh beaten to it I see.
 
scoobydoo said:
You get 100 muslim women and ask them if they feel suppressed they will laugh at you. Muslim women are looked after respected of course you get one or two like all cultures who are abused but the vast majority are happy.
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I'm a white British woman and I was oppressed as all fuck having a relationship with a Muslim man. He got pissed off when I wished the chap working in Costcutter a happy birthday. It wasn't necessary for me to talk to anyone except him.
 
scoobydoo said:
Arranged marriages can work .The women always has a choice and can decline. Forced marriages is different and this is very rare ive never heard of it in my community.
All cultures have pro's and cons.

The white western culture is to put old people into care homes sons and daughters putting their parents into care homes when they get older. This would never happen in my community.
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there are no old people in your community?
 
Dont think anyones defending uk western communitys the depressing reguarly murders of ex partners and or there children should give those that would claim we are so much more enlightened pause for for thought among other issues.
Islam and hating women pretty common though.
 
scoobydoo said:
Another angle is yes there was a few innocent girls who were groomed and manipulated but there was also girls manipulating these men for money and gifts time to look at the bigger picture.
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scoobydoo said:
...I would say that most were victims but there were ones who knew exactly what they were doing. some young girls enjoyed the money ,weed presents etc.Im not saying its a good thing its a very twisted thing.But girls from broken homes and vulnerable crave the attention that leads to the abuse.
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"The appalling thing is that, in the enclaves where these men came from, families will be blaming the abused teenagers." Yasmin Alibhai-Brown
 
Attempting to cause a board war is against the terms and conditions. So he's banned as soon as anyone is bored with him.
 
scoobydoo said:
You sound like edl why would these men think white girls are slaggier race never came into it.
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Let's not focus on race, then. Let's focus on cultural perceptions. It's entirely possible for these nonce pieces of shit to view it as more acceptable to molest children from outside their culture than children inside of it. A concomitant of that cultural perception, in this case might be a perception that it's to do with "race", not just on the part of the public, but on the part of the men themselves. This is classic behaviour of any "in-group" - to justify their behaviour through denigrating the "out-group".
So I'm pretty sure that culture and race were part of it, but a part secondary to the gang being a bucn of dirt nonces who wanted to fuck children.
 
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