PM Boris Johnson - monster thread for a monster twat

[teuchter]

The idea that it will "finish the Tories" is even more delusional than the idea that lots of their MPs are going to suddenly send in their letters.

Feel free to quote this back to me, the day the Tories are finished.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The idea that it will "finish the Tories" is even more delusional than the idea that lots of their MPs are going to suddenly send in their letters.

Feel free to quote this back to me, the day the Tories are finished.

Oh even if they fuck up at the next election they'll be back sooner or later. In fact it probably suits their long term interests to lose in 2024, otherwise they'll have had two solid decades in charge with nothing but a smouldering ruin of a country to show for it and absolutely nobody else to blame. Starmer as PM will likely steady the ship a little, without making any structural changes, and will keep the whole shitshow rumbling on until the tories have regrouped and rebranded ready to take over again.

I don't actually think there any long term thinkers left in the tory party of course. If there were they'd never have put Johnson in charge.

 

[Raheem]

They're probably going to drop a massive bribe ten days before the local elections.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh even if they fuck up at the next election they'll be back sooner or later. In fact it probably suits their long term interests to lose in 2024, otherwise they'll have had two solid decades in charge with nothing but a smouldering ruin of a country to show for it and absolutely nobody else to blame. Starmer as PM will likely steady the ship a little, without making any structural changes, and will keep the whole shitshow rumbling on until the tories have regrouped and rebranded ready to take over again.

I don't actually think there any long term thinkers left in the tory party of course. If there were they'd never have put Johnson in charge.

The only thing shammer will do to steady the ship is take on more ballast

 

[teuchter]

In fact it probably suits their long term interests to lose in 2024,

So you want the conservatives to win in 2024, I assume.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh even if they fuck up at the next election they'll be back sooner or later. In fact it probably suits their long term interests to lose in 2024, otherwise they'll have had two solid decades in charge with nothing but a smouldering ruin of a country to show for it and absolutely nobody else to blame. Starmer as PM will likely steady the ship a little, without making any structural changes, and will keep the whole shitshow rumbling on until the tories have regrouped and rebranded ready to take over again.

I don't actually think there any long term thinkers left in the tory party of course. If there were they'd never have put Johnson in charge.

Anyway nothing is long term now.

 

[Calamity1971]

Connor burns on CH4 News, ' had it not been for the prime minister many people wouldn't be alive today ' !
Yes Connor ya cunt, because Johnson spent hours in a lab discovering a vaccine.
Oh, ' and let's not forget he nearly died of covid'.
Nearly wasn't good enough Connor. Ffs.

 

[SpookyFrank]

So you want the conservatives to win in 2024, I assume.

No, you don't assume that at all. You're just being irritating on purpose.

 

[Ax^]

some people think being contrary is the base for a personality

don't mind teuchter

 

[maomao]

So you want the conservatives to win in 2024, I assume.

I do. Five years of Starmerism then fifteen years of even worse Tories; no thanks.

 

[Yossarian]

Connor burns on CH4 News, ' had it not been for the prime minister many people wouldn't be alive today ' !

Technically true, but fathering 37 children hardly outweighs untold thousands of preventable COVID deaths.

 

[_Russ_]

As long as selfishness, greed and taking pleasure in the control of others remain human traits, there will be a Tory Party

 

[flypanam]

I don't actually think there any long term thinkers left in the tory party of course. If there were they'd never have put Johnson in charge.

I think you’re right. 40 years of neoliberal orthodoxy means none of them are able to think. They have run out of ideas and when one of them is lauded as the bright hope they turn out to be old piss in a new bottle, eh Rishi.

 

[SpookyFrank]

'Old piss in a new bottle'

 

[_Russ_]

You're right. They're spineless twats. If that was 35% of Tory voters aren't going to vote tory in the next election then he'd be out quicker than a quick thing.

I think they are going to get an absolute fucking twatting in the May elections, and that might focus a few minds.

I don't, im guessing they will probably loose a chunk of the northern seats they gained due Brexit but most tory voters are as morally barren as the party they vote for.
I reckon they will lose far more votes in the General Election though when the middle class tory base have had time to feel their purses shrink I still think they'll get back in though as Socialism has suffered from the Americanism of this country and is now an evil doctrine not even to be dabbled with at its fringes (I dont think Starmer going more to the centre attracts anyone, people still remember the Bliar years)

 

[contadino]

I don't, im guessing they will probably loose a chunk of the northern seats they gained due Brexit but most tory voters are as morally barren as the party they vote for.
I reckon they will lose far more votes in the General Election though when the middle class tory base have had time to feel their purses shrink I still think they'll get back in though as Socialism has suffered from the Americanism of this country and is now an evil doctrine not even to be dabbled with at its fringes (I dont think Starmer going more to the centre attracts anyone, people still remember the Bliar years)

I'm not even sure they care about the local elections. The more non-Conservative-controlled councils, the more councils they can reduce local authority funding for, and the link between local and general election voting is weaker than ever.

I'm not convinced they'll lose much by way of voters come the next General Election either. The cost of living crisis won't be mentioned by the Tory media and people will have got used to having empty pockets. The campaign will be all about the real villians - a few boatloads of immigrants, some foreign extremists thousands of miles away, and those trying to ruin the British way of life like the BBC, teachers and BLM. There'll be red baseball caps with Make England Great Again everywhere.

The only respite from that would be if a moderate contender emerged from within the Tories - and I see no real prospect of that.

 

[philosophical]

I assume by the next election constituency boundaries will have been re drawn in order to try to consolidate Tory power.
Yesterday whilst watching Parliament I was obliged to watch Priti Patel, I felt physically sick.
I notice in a Yougov poll most Tories asked want Le Pen to beat Macron.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I'm not even sure they care about the local elections. The more non-Conservative-controlled councils, the more councils they can reduce local authority funding for, and the link between local and general election voting is weaker than ever.

The Tories around here do care, and they are pissed off with Johnson, as it looks like Labour will take over Worthing Borough Council for the first time ever, which is a shocker as they only won their first ever seat in a by-election 5 years ago.

 

[Pickman's model]

The Tories around here do care, and they are pissed off with Johnson, as it looks like Labour will take over Worthing Borough Council for the first time ever, which is a shocker as they only won their first ever seat in a by-election 5 years ago.

Not surprised they're pissed off as they can kiss their cushy benefits goodbye

 

[cupid_stunt]

I assume by the next election constituency boundaries will have been re drawn in order to try to consolidate Tory power.

Again the local Tories around here are not happy about that, if the proposed changes come in, Worthing will become one constituency, gaining the East Worthing patch (strong Labour area) that is currently part of the Shoreham constituency, and losing the villages to the west of the town (strong Tory area), which together with the raise in support for Labour across most of the town, will make it a marginal.

And, they are worried the current mess could result in the town returning a Labour MP, when they are used to getting a vote share of around 50% in both the Worthing west and East Worthing & Shoreham constituencies.

At least 2 other seats in Sussex, Crawley and Hastings, could swing back to Labour for the first time in 20-25 years, and they are also concerned with both Eastbourne & Lewes swinging back to the LibDems.

If the blue wall starts coming down across Sussex, I doubt there's much hope of them keeping those red wall seats.

 

[elbows]

that was mostly just breathless chat from idiots and marks on twitter tbf

No I forced myself to watch parliament for hours on both occasions and the mood and voices from the tory benches were quite different on that occasion compared to this one.

 

[elbows]

Did I say "I don't think they have a problem"?

My comment is simply that it's a little deluded to think all these Tory MPs are going to start handing in their letters when most of the people who vote them into their seats don't want BJ to resign.

Everyone is getting over-excited - yet again.

Your dismissal of people for getting over-excited was a bit more convincing the first time because back then more people were hoping that Johnsons demise could be imminent.

This time I dont see people here suggesting he could be gone at any moment. We've mostly read the signs and know that he is damaged, but that the next potential deposing of him is lurking somewhere in the distance, rather than somewhere in the next few days.

You seem to downplay the extent to which he is damaged, and on that we shall have plenty of opportunities to discover the reality in the months ahead.

 

[teuchter]

Your dismissal of people for getting over-excited was a bit more convincing the first time because back then more people were hoping that Johnsons demise could be imminent.

This time I dont see people here suggesting he could be gone at any moment. We've mostly read the signs and know that he is damaged, but that the next potential deposing of him is lurking somewhere in the distance, rather than somewhere in the next few days.

You seem to downplay the extent to which he is damaged, and on that we shall have plenty of opportunities to discover the reality in the months ahead.

Folk were talking about the Tories being "finished" as a consequence of this, even if not immediately.

That I regard as over-excitement.

Maybe it'll affect the local elections, and of course it will be very exciting for everyone to see what happens at Worthing Borough Council.

However, there's two years for people to mostly forget about "partygate" before 2024.

 

[Storm Fox]

Folk were talking about the Tories being "finished" as a consequence of this, even if not immediately.

That I regard as over-excitement.

Maybe it'll affect the local elections, and of course it will be very exciting for everyone to see what happens at Worthing Borough Council.

However, there's two years for people to mostly forget about "partygate" before 2024.

Hopefully the can be reminded of the lying to parliament. Or is lying to parliament OK if you are a Tory?

teuchter do you think lying to parliament is OK?

 

[killer b]

Most people assume much of what's said in parliament is lies, by all parties. Lying to parliament isn't something anyone normal cares about, because they know it happens most times they open their mouths there.

 

[teuchter]

teuchter do you think lying to parliament is OK?

Why do you consider it necessary to ask this stupid question?

 

[killer b]

it's the whole getting shitfaced with their mates while you buried your gran alone thing that people care about, not the lying. the lying is priced in already.

 

[teuchter]

it's the whole getting shitfaced with their mates while you buried your gran alone thing that people care about, not the lying. the lying is priced in already.

To be fair, I'm more bothered by BJ's denials that he was at any events, than the events themselves, which in my (and others') opinion weren't such a big deal. If he'd been more straight at the beginning, and said that he briefly attended various workplace leaving drinks at various times, and that he didn't consider these to be transgressions of the rules, then it would be different.

 

[Storm Fox]

Why do you consider it necessary to ask this stupid question?

Well that's not answering is it?
So you agree Johnson should resign then?

 

[MickiQ]

I can't imagine BoZo going of his own free will. He is going to have to be dragged out of No 10 kicking and screaming. I suspect most Tory backbenchers (and again it still doesn't matter what anyone else thinks at this point) will reserve judgement until a fortnight tomorrow and see what happens.