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lol. I guess they were forced to realise that the nature of the issue and trying to whip their MPs over it was all too similar to what happened with the Owen Paterson thing, and since that one blew up in their face they had to back down to avoid the same sort of fiasco and ill-feelings from their own side. The fact they even tried this shit again speaks volumes and is an obvious sign of weakness.
 
Steve Baker was fence sitting on Tuesday, not giving or withdrawing his confidence in Johnson, but has said today that he will be voting for the motion, and Johnson should go.

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Former Brexit minister Steve Baker says Johnson 'should be long gone' Steve Baker, the former Brexit minister, has used his speech in the debate to call for Boris Johnson to go. He said: "The prime minister now should be long gone ... Really, the prime minister should just know the gig’s up."

I will post more from his speech shortly. LINK
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Well its now possible to say that Tuesday in parliament was a misleadingly muted display from almost all tory quarters, and I am now inclined to disregard it.
 
I must admit I was somewhat surprised by Baker's speech, and it's interesting because he does seem to get a sizeable number of Tory MPs behind him, so it just could be a bit of a game changer.

I am starting to think they could well exist Johnson after the local elections.

Here's the update from the Guardian.

Steve Baker explains why he can no long forgive Johnson, and wants him gone​

The most surprising speech of the debate so far has probably been the one from Steve Baker, the former Brexit minister who, as a leading figure in the European Research Group, played an important role in helping to bring down Theresa May as PM.

In a question to Boris Johnson in the Commons on Tuesday, Baker (a devout Christian) said Johnon was entitled to mercy. He went on: “Justice leading into mercy relies on a very old-fashioned concept, and that is repentance. What assurance can he give us that nothing of this kind will ever happen again?”

Today Baker said that Johnson had shown “contrition” on Tuesday, “beautiful, marvellous contrition” but that it “only lasted as long as it took to get out of the headmaster’s study”. Baker went on:

"And that’s not good enough for me, and it’s not good enough for my voters. I’m sorry, it’s not.

And I’m afraid I am now in a position where I have to acknowledge that if the prime minister occupied any other office of senior responsibility, if he was a secretary of state, if he was a minister of state, a parliamentary undersecretary, a permanent secretary, a director general, if he was a chief executive of a private company or a board director, he would be long gone. The reason that he is not long gone is because removing a sitting prime minister is an extremely grave matter, and goodness knows, people will know, I’ve had something to do with that, too.

It’s an extremely grave matter and an extremely big decision and it tends to untether history and all of us, all of us should approach such things with reverence and awe and an awareness of the difficulty of doing it and the potential consequences and that’s why I’ve been tempted to forgive.

But I have to say now the possibility of that, really, for me, has gone. I have to say I’m sorry that, for not obeying the letter and spirit - and I think we have heard that the prime minister did know what the letter was - the prime minister now should be long gone. I’ll certainly vote for this motion. But really, the prime minister should just know the gig’s up."

On Tuesday Mark Harper, the former Tory chief whip, called for Johnson’s resignation. Harper and Baker are chair and deputy chair respectively of the Covid Recovery Group, an influential Tory faction that opposed lockdown restrictions.
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ETA - I also see the Met have said they will not announce if any further FPNs are issued, until after the local elections.
 
cupid_stunt said:
I must admit I was somewhat surprised by Baker's speech, and it's interesting because he does seem to get a sizeable number of Tory MPs behind him, so it just could be a bit of a game changer.

I am starting to think they could well exist Johnson after the local elections.

Here's the update from the Guardian.
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Makes you wonder what went on at that 8 pm Tuesday meeting that Starmer was allegedly misinformed about.
 
The motion is passed. :D

No actual vote sadly, so no real gauge of what Tory MPs are thinking.

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MPs approve unopposed motion to set up inquiry into claims PM misled MPs over Partygate​

Nigel Evans, the deputy Speaker, calls the vote. There are no objections, and so the motion goes through on the nod.

That means MPs have voted to trigger a privileges committee inquiry into claims that Boris Johnson misled MPs over Partygate.

But the committee will not start its “substantive” work until the Met police inquiry into Partygate is over. LINK
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cupid_stunt said:
Fair comment from Adam Bienkov at Byline Times.

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How could they not vote for it? The only justification for voting against is that the inquiry is a total waste of money cos every cunt knows he's lied repeatedly to parliament on this issue.



eta, seems they didn't actually vote, but same principal applies, see post below:
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
How could they not vote for it? The only justification for voting against is that the inquiry is a total waste of money cos every cunt knows he's lied repeatedly to parliament on this issue.
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That's the problem Johnson & the whips faced, they wanted their MPs to vote against it, when it was clear a lot wouldn't, they suggested an amendment to put off the vote until after the Met's investigation was completed, but withdraw that after it must have become clear that even that wouldn't fly, so they just backed away from the fight & let it go through on the nod, bloody funny TBH.
 
cupid_stunt said:
That's the problem Johnson & the whips faced, they wanted their MPs to vote against it, when it was clear a lot wouldn't, they suggested an amendment to put off the vote until after the Met's investigation was completed, but withdraw that after it must have become clear that even that wouldn't fly, so they just backed away from the fight & let it go through on the nod, bloody funny TBH.
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And the nodding dogs at the Met responded... Met Police will issue no more Partygate updates before the local elections
 
what the win mind it's just going to kick the subject further down the round and now they can waffle on about not talking about it till after the gray report , the met report and then the minister standards report

grr
 
Louis MacNeice said:
What has happened today shows the substantial degree of Johnson's weakness in relation to the parliamentary Tory party. This is good thing especially all the time he stays in post (which I am sure he will do for as long as possible); electoraly, divided parties are less popular than ones which can show unity.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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What pundits have been saying all along is that Johnson has no real party base, neither in the constituencies where pols usually climb up through serving in party committees and on the local councils, nor in parliament, where he is never seen hobnobbing in the tea room. Any loyalty towards him is solely on account of the usefulness of his appeal to voters; there is no personal loyalty whatsoever.
 
Johnson is now a rancid sore at the that is only going to keep on festering and toxifying the government and tory party. Vlad Putin's intervention saved him from likely defenestration back in February - but now its all back with a vengeance and will have to endure the local elections (likely to be bad - especially as party gate has just become headline news all over again - plus cost of living) - then rest of the met investigation (more fines very likely), the sue gray report (we already know this is going to be hugely critical) followed by parliamentary investigation into weather he misled the house (spoiler alert - yes he did). The last gives the torys an easy way to finally get shot of the toxic clown without anyone having to wield the knife - if the investigation says he misled the house (how can it not?) then he gets sanctioned and pretty much has to resign. Also there are apparently plenty of photos (bbc commentator was interestingly specific about the nature of a "hypothetical" photograph). The fact that tory mps were not prepared to back him in opposing the investigation speaks rather clearly about how they feel.
Sunak shooting himself in both feet is Brucie bonus of schadenfreude as well.
 
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