PM Boris Johnson - monster thread for a monster twat

[Petcha]

this was actually quite good

Full text of Starmer's response to Johnson​

And here is the text of Keir Starmer’s response to Johnson.
It was probably the most powerful and effective speech Starmer has given in the Commons, and it should go a long way to quash claims that he is boring, or powerless. As he concluded, Tory MPs were listening in silence. It is worth posting in full.

What a joke. Even now as the latest mealy-mouthed apology stumbles out of one side of his mouth, a new set of deflections and distortions pour from the other.
But the damage is already done.
The public have made up their mind.
They don’t believe a word the Prime Minister says.
They know what he is.
As ever with this Prime Minister those close to him find themselves ruined and the institutions he vows to protect damaged.
Good ministers forced to walk away from public service.
The Chancellor’s career up in flames.
And the Leader of the Scottish Conservatives rendered pathetic.
For all those unfamiliar with this Prime Minister’s career.
This isn’t some fixable glitch in the system.
It’s the whole point.
It’s what he does.
It’s who he is.
He knows he’s dishonest and incapable of changing.
So he drags everybody else down with him.
The more people debase themselves, parroting his absurd defences, the more the public will believe all politicians are the same.
All as bad as each other.
And that suits this Prime Minister just fine.
Some members opposite seem oblivious to the Prime Minister’s game.
Some know what he’s up to but are too weak to act.
But others are gleefully playing the part the Prime Minister cast for them.
A minister on the radio this morning saying it’s the same as a speeding ticket.
No it’s not.
No one has ever broken down in tears because they couldn’t drive faster than 20mph outside a school.
Don’t insult the public with this nonsense.
But Mr Speaker, as it happens the last Minister who got a speeding ticket and then lied about it ended up in prison and I know because I prosecuted him.
And last week we were treated to a grotesque spectacle.
One of the Prime Minister’s loyal supporters accusing teachers and nurses of drinking in the staff room through lockdown.
Members opposite can associate themselves with that if they want.
But those of us who take pride in our NHS workers, our teachers and every other key worker who got us through those dark days will never forget their contempt.
Plenty didn’t agree with every rule the Prime Minister wrote.
But they followed them nonetheless because in this country we respect others, we put the greater good above narrow self-interest and we understand that the rules apply to all of us.
This morning, I spoke to John Robinson, a constituent for the Member for Lichfield, I want to tell his story.
When his wife died of Covid, John and his family obeyed the Prime Minister’s rules.
He didn’t see her in hospital, he didn’t hold her hand as she died.
Their daughters and grandchildren drove 100 miles up the motorway, clutching a letter from the funeral director in case they were questioned by the police.
They didn’t have a service in the church, John’s son-in-law stayed away because he would have been the forbidden seventh mourner.
Doesn’t the Prime Minister realise that John would have given the world to hold his dying wife’s hand, even if it was just for nine minutes?
But he didn’t.
Because he followed the Prime Minister’s rules.
Rules that we now know the Prime Minister blithely, repeatedly and deliberately ignored.
After months of insulting excuses, today’s half-hearted apology will never be enough for John Robinson.
If the Prime Minister had any respect for John and the millions like him who sacrificed everything to follow the rules he’d resign.
But he won’t.
Because he doesn’t respect John.
He doesn’t respect the sacrifice of the British public.
He is a man without shame.
Looking past the Member for Lichfield and the nodding dogs in the cabinet.
There are many decent, honourable members on the benches opposite.
Who do respect John Robinson.
Who do respect the British public.
They know the damage the Prime Minister is doing.
They know things can’t go on as they are.
And they know it is their responsibility to bring an end to this shameful chapter.
Today I urge them once again.
Don’t follow in the slipstream of an out of touch, out of control Prime Minister.
Put their conscience first, put their country first, put John Robinson first and remove the Prime Minister from office.
Bring decency, honesty and integrity back into our politics.
And stop the denigration of everything that this country stands for.

 

[elbows]

So what happens if he loses the no-confidence vote? in practice?

What no confidence vote?

There is a vote this week that will, like some other votes, sort of amount to an equivalent of that, but there doesnt seem to be any expectation of him losing that one. If he did lose it then all the equations change, it will fuck him up, but I'm not putting weight in that possibility at this time.

 

[Petcha]

What no confidence vote?

There is a vote this week that will, like some other votes, sort of amount to an equivalent of that, but there doesnt seem to be any expectation of him losing that one.

Well, 54 MPs need to submit their letters to the 1922 committee I think and then it's triggered?

 

[elbows]

There is no current expectation of that number of letters being achieved, the press gave up hoping for that at the moment, especially after some existing letters were withdrawn.

That possibility might come back at some point, eg if the local elections are a shitshow for the tories, but for now such thoughts seem to be on hold.

 

[Petcha]

There is no current expectation of that number of letters being achieved, the press gave up hoping for that at the moment, especially after some letters were withdrawn.

That possibility might come back at some point, eg if the local elections are a shitshow for the tories, but for now such thoughts seem to be on hold.

If I was a (backbench) Tory MP I'd be submitting my letter now and making it very public like the guy above ^^ if I wanted to keep my job given that most polls are saying 75% of voters think the PM misled parliament

 

[elbows]

Its always possible the press could get that assumption wrong, and yes we did get to hear about one new letter today. But in contrast to the last parliamentary scenes on this subject a while back, todays did not imply a lot of momentum in this regard. I'll be delighted to be wrong on this, and public displays or lack of them does not provide a full guide as to private intentions, but I'm not going to set myself up for disappointment at this particular moment.

 

[elbows]

Someone asked if the employment status of the party photographer means the party photos belong to the public and should be publicly available.

Rather unsurprisingly there was no useful answer to that question.

 

[killer b]

in contrast to the last parliamentary scenes on this subject a while back,

that was mostly just breathless chat from idiots and marks on twitter tbf

 

[Dystopiary]

Pippa Crerar's just said

"One Tory MP told me unease about PM's position was "almost universal" and MPs face a "difficult dilemma". That remains the case - PM safe for now but big hurdles ahead."

They won't come out and say it though will they, they know which side their bread's buttered, the cunts.

 

[teuchter]

If I was a (backbench) Tory MP I'd be submitting my letter now and making it very public like the guy above ^^ if I wanted to keep my job given that most polls are saying 75% of voters think the PM misled parliament

I think they will be more interested in Tory voters, who mostly still seem to support him, than people who woudn't vote for him either way.

This partygate stuff seems like a waste of time to me.

 

[teqniq]

More than one person on Twitter earlier touting 'spines for sale'. It is not difficult to see why.

 

[redcogs]

'Utter cunt remains in office despite everything' is hardly surprising. Thatcher was rescued from deep unpopularity by Galtieri in 1982. Thatcher again rescued by a very mild winter when coal miners were fighting to preserve their jobs and communities and trade unionism in 1984. Boris Johnson saved in 2022 by being a brass necked lying fuck who is surrounded by brass necked lying fucks (not to mention Putin's Ukrainian invasion).. It all proves god is a tory sympathiser dont it?

 

[cupid_stunt]

I think they will be more interested in Tory voters, who mostly still seem to support him, than people who woudn't vote for him either way.

That's shows 35% of Tory wants him gone, that's massive.

This partygate stuff seems like a waste of time to me.

Much like many of us think about your posts on here.

 

[brogdale]

That's shows 35% of Tory wants him gone, that's massive.

Exactly; and < 50% of tory voters oppose him resigning.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I think they will be more interested in Tory voters, who mostly still seem to support him, than people who woudn't vote for him either way.

This partygate stuff seems like a waste of time to me.

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A waste of time might be posting fortnight-old poll data and using it as evidence that people don't give a shit about something that happened a week ago.

 

[contadino]

I think the root of the problem is that there are only shitty alternatives. The Tories must dread the prospect of Truss - she's no vote winner. Who'd risk putting a letter in and seeing it result in her becoming leader?

I suspect that even the deranged xenophobes hanging out in conservative clubs up and down the country see the same problem.

 

[Chilli.s]

Its a fucking disgrace as a decision making process, the house. A mess of self serving egotists

 

[cupid_stunt]

A waste of time might be posting fortnight-old poll data and using it as evidence that people don't give a shit about something that happened a week ago.

The 12th & 13th April are a fortnight ago?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

this was actually quite good

I thought his attack on Fabricant was bang on. Very pleasing to see that prick getting a verbal kicking (in the absence of a physical one). Using the heartbreaking story of his own constituent was very effective. Well done Starmer

 

[teuchter]

Exactly; and < 50% of tory voters oppose him resigning.

Whatever, it's pretty clear that there are more Tory voters who want him to stay than there are who want him to go.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Whatever, it's pretty clear that there are more Tory voters who want him to stay than there are who want him to go.

So, you don't think the party has a problem when 35% of their voters want him gone?

 

[gosub]

this was actually quite good

As much as I feel for those in John Robinson's postion, not the line of attack I'd have used. How can Parliament function with a PM that lies his way thru? Which he has been proven to do. MP's aren't even a position to call him out on his lies on public record. Thats why he should go, Geeting sacked Bit of cheese, wine and birthday cake against a backdrop potential WW3 seems ridiculous, but havig a bullshit artist at the helm for that same looming threat looks vital

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The 12th & 13th April are a fortnight ago?

Today’s the 19th April, seven days after 12th..?

 

[teuchter]

So, you don't think the party has a problem when 35% of their voters want him gone?

Did I say "I don't think they have a problem"?

My comment is simply that it's a little deluded to think all these Tory MPs are going to start handing in their letters when most of the people who vote them into their seats don't want BJ to resign.

Everyone is getting over-excited - yet again.

 

[tommers]

Did I say "I don't think they have a problem"?

My comment is simply that it's a little deluded to think all these Tory MPs are going to start handing in their letters when most of the people who vote them into their seats don't want BJ to resign.

Everyone is getting over-excited - yet again.

You're right. They're spineless twats. If that was 35% of Tory voters aren't going to vote tory in the next election then he'd be out quicker than a quick thing.

I think they are going to get an absolute fucking twatting in the May elections, and that might focus a few minds.

 

[Petcha]

I thought his attack on Fabricant was bang on. Very pleasing to see that prick getting a verbal kicking (in the absence of a physical one). Using the heartbreaking story of his own constituent was very effective. Well done Starmer

I did like him casually reminding Boris that he actually had a career before politics as a top prosecutor, prosecuting politicians, something our former hack journo PM can't quite compete with. It was a bit of a demolition. I mean it was an open goal but still. Job well done.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

My comment is simply that it's a little deluded to think all these Tory MPs are going to start handing in their letters when most of the people who vote them into their seats don't want BJ to resign.

Everyone is getting over-excited - yet again.

I don’t want Johnson to resign. I’d like some Tory MPs to turn on him but not enough to force him out. I want this to go on for months. I want more and more Tories to be forced to defend Johnson and show themselves to be what they are. I want their privilege and entitlement to be exposed in plain sight and widely understood. I want this - along with the cost of living crisis - to bring the working class onto the streets and I’d like a long hot summer. Now THAT would be exciting….as for Johnson I couldn’t care less. He’s a cunt. His replacement will be one as well

 

[Raheem]

What no confidence vote?

There is a vote this week that will, like some other votes, sort of amount to an equivalent of that, but there doesnt seem to be any expectation of him losing that one. If he did lose it then all the equations change, it will fuck him up, but I'm not putting weight in that possibility at this time.

There has been some suggestion that the Tories might be whipped to abstain, in which case he would "lose" the vote. The problem they've got is how bad it looks to block an investigation into yourself. Like a repeat of the Owen Patterson thing.

 

[ruffneck23]

I don’t want Johnson to resign. I’d like some Tory MPs to turn on him but not enough to force him out. I want this to go on for months. I want more and more Tories to be forced to defend Johnson and show themselves to be what they are. I want their privilege and entitlement to be exposed in plain sight and widely understood. I’d like the effects - along with the cost of living crisis - to bring the working class onto the streets and I’d like a long hot summer. Now THAT would be exciting….as for Johnson I couldn’t care less. He’s a cunt. His replacement will be one as well

This.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I don’t want Johnson to resign. I’d like some Tory MPs to turn on him but not enough to force him out. I want this to go on for months. I want more and more Tories to be forced to defend Johnson and show themselves to be what they are. I want their privilege and entitlement to be exposed in plain sight and widely understood. I’d like the effects - along with the cost of living crisis - to bring the working class onto the streets and I’d like a long hot summer. Now THAT would be exciting….as for Johnson I couldn’t care less. He’s a cunt. His replacement will be one as well

Yes and true to form the selfish bastard Johnson would sooner burn away his party's future than accept any consequences himself. And it's the party's fault for allowing him to lead it in the first place; and for being composed of and designed to appeal to other selfish bastards.

I still think enough other tories will reach a tipping point where loyalty to Johnson is likely do them personally more harm than good. I mean in reality we're already well past that point but your standard tory backbencher is two things; an idiot and a coward. When the election results are in and they all start doing fag-packet maths on their chances of survival at the next GE, then we'll see.