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Even the whole police questionnaire thing strikes me as yet another example of how much better the highest in the land are treated with much more courtesy than us,
I know it's tempting to think like this, but I just don't think this is true.

If I was to suddenly send the police photos of my neighbours having a party during lockdown I would expect them to do precisely fuck all. The only reason this is being looked at at all is because of how high profile it is and the media interest.

If it was me or you they wouldn't care.
 
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I know it's tempting to think like this, but I just don't think this is true.

If I was to suddenly send the police photos of my neighbours having a party during lockdown I would expect them to do precisely fuck all. The only reason this is being looked at at all is because of how high profile it is and the media interest.

If it was me or you they wouldn't care.

Yeah, absolutely. The vast majority who complied with the rules didn't do it because they had the police at the door they did it because it was the right thing to do. And it's that moral force that's the problem for him here. The legal stuff is a sideshow tbh.
 
Yeah but still if I am ever giving a statement to the police in whatever form I would like a lawyer involved regardless of if I am guilty or not. And I don't really like the suggestion that people should not have that right.
Don't necessarily disagree, but where are you seeing that inference in Crerar's words?
 
Don't necessarily disagree, but where are you seeing that inference in Crerar's words?
She is clearly suggesting he should not be able to get assistance form a lawyer.

"PM now has a week to fill in his police questionnaire - with the help of his lawyers."
 
I know it's tempting to think like this, but I just don't think this is true.

If I was to suddenly send the police photos of my neighbours having a party during lockdown I would expect them to do precisely fuck all. The only reason this is being looked at at all is because of how high profile it is and the media interest.

If it was me or you they wouldn't care.
It wasn't a one-off party. It was repeated disregard for the rules. If the police were called out 17 times to the same address for the same reason and saw the same faces, they'd start to get suspicious.

Not that they needed to be called out. They're generally stood on the doorstep anyway.
 
Yes, it's high profile. But it's not as if they are being investigated for any of the deaths caused by welfare cuts, immigration policy or the handling of the pandemic. It's a retrospective investigation into breaches of lockdown regulations. Offences for which the Police had powers to issue fixed penalty fines. Powers they were given based on the expectation that commonly they would be used in situations where the filth caught you in the act or soon enough afterwards that it was obvious what had been happening.

The recipients of these questionnaires are obviously lawyered up and so are the filth. Even if the Met are only going through the motions these questionnaires can only be the first step. In reality whoever drew the short straw to head this investigation will be making best efforts to cover their arse in a situation where, whatever the outcome, they can reasonably expect to get it kicked.

I've seen people talking about how the questionnaire process permits collusion but some of those involved in the 'parties' no longer work at Downing Street; some of those left on bad terms; and some have evidently already 'grassed' and supplied photo's and documents. I doubt any of them could realistically count on everyone else at a given 'event', even if many of them weren't fucking weasels to begin with. Anyone who does put their hands up to get it over with as quickly and inexpensively as possible - and I expect there will be some - will hand leverage to the filth in respect of anyone the filth know was at the same gathering. I suspect admissions have already been made to Gray. If some people challenge fines issued the process could drag on for a long time. And so on and so on.

In short whatever transpires - or doesn't - I expect to be able derive entertainment from it.

What I don't understand are demands for more visible 'performative policing' given that it's 'us' who are normally the recipients of that sort of thing.
Agree with you there. Fair points. As for the "calls for visible 'performative policing'" though, I wouldn't see it as urbanites calling to bring back the birch, more like a desire to see some cunt on cunt action.
 
Would have no problems with Johnson being given a good birching in the number 10 garden. Six of the best for each party and justice could be done.
 
IF it gets filled in then it will be filled in by some low level clerk not BoZo himself. And if it isn't filled in then what exactly does anyone think will happen? Plod will go round and drag him out in handcuffs.
This will just get added to the pile of stuff that is already heaped up in the long grass.
The only people who can take any meaningful action against the floppy haired twat are his own backbenchers and they seem to have lost interest.
 
IF it gets filled in then it will be filled in by some low level clerk not BoZo himself. And if it isn't filled in then what exactly does anyone think will happen? Plod will go round and drag him out in handcuffs.
This will just get added to the pile of stuff that is already heaped up in the long grass.
The only people who can take any meaningful action against the floppy haired twat are his own backbenchers and they seem to have lost interest.
As it is under caution he is entirely within his rights to ignore and for the investigator to take an adverse inference. Alternatively he could reply with a prepared statement explaining that he was at his home and not responsible for gatherings by civil servants engaged in their employment activities or otherwise.
 
It wasn't a one-off party. It was repeated disregard for the rules. If the police were called out 17 times to the same address for the same reason and saw the same faces, they'd start to get suspicious.

Not that they needed to be called out. They're generally stood on the doorstep anyway.
But they weren't called then where they? This is being investigated moths later. If I sent them photos of me neighbours having 17 parties during lockdown the would stil do fuck all. If they had been called out 17 times to my neighbours having parties during lockdown that would be different.
 
But they weren't called then where they? This is being investigated moths later. If I sent them photos of me neighbours having 17 parties during lockdown the would stil do fuck all. If they had been called out 17 times to my neighbours having parties during lockdown that would be different.

Lots of people got fined for having smaller and less frequent parties. If they can get fined why shouldn’t politicians. It’s the spirit of the law that has been ignored and that has rightly pissed people off.
 
Lots of people got fined for having smaller and less frequent parties. If they can get fined why shouldn’t politicians. It’s the spirit of the law that has been ignored and that has rightly pissed people off.
Especially when the politicians being fined are those who created the rules that they then disregarded.
 
Can he get legal aid for this ? Obviously he won’t he using lawyers paid for by the administration for a personal issue like this
I don't think so. Tories have done away with automatic legal aid for all in criminal mattes, and now it's rigorously means tested. It's one of the lesser known acts of Tory vandalism. Even if you're acquitted you can face a stiff bill.
 
At one level plod will be desperate to avoid giving johnson or other ministers/senior civil servants a FPN. Aside from not giving anyone a fine - quite possible - the route to doing that is presumably quite difficult (if you fine clerk X, you have to fine civil servant Y, given that they both organised/attended a party etc.). However, just as both the Met and johnson's lot have been cornered into this inquiry, I also think that creative minds will find a way through it for them. Or, to put it another way, what is the likely outcome of a process the Met didn't want to conduct and the politicians didn't want to happen?

The above aside, it's always worth reminding ourselves of the hubris and stupidity that lead to all this: members of a government who created lockdown laws, holding parties in the buildings where the laws were made, in at least one case round the table where those laws were made. How hard would it have been not to have had those parties? And how recklessly stupid in an era of camera phones, with journalists actually attending some of the parties?
 
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