PM Boris Johnson - monster thread for a monster twat

[andysays]

BBC has an article compiling people’s defences of Carrie Johnson over accusations she is some sort of Lady Macbeth figure, much of which is perfectly reasonable (Tory scum that she is, there is a definite whiff of sexism in some of the attacks). But the thing that stands out is there is a quote from her spokeswoman. Who the fuck is this and who is paying for her? I’m hoping it isn’t the public.

I particularly liked the bit where her spokeswoman pointed out that she's just a private individual, because of course every private individual has a spokesperson to speak to the media on their behalf.

 

[two sheds]

and every private person is married to the prime monster

 

[killer b]

Considering the amount of media interest in Carrie Johnson, of course she has a spokesperson. fucking hell.

 

[Raheem]

and every private person is married to the prime monster

Given enough time.

 

[elbows]

There's a whiff of sexism in a lot of the stuff about Nadine Dorries too.

The stuff about her being in love with him does rather stand out to me in that regard, as it did with Laura Kuenssberg back in the day.

I'd rather criticisse them for specific things they say, of which there are often no shortage. I can see why people cant resist the opportunity to mock when particular images present themselves, but it often reveals something beyond the people in the pictures.

 

[two sheds]

You think nobody would have commented if Johnson, for example, had been photographed looking adoringly at a female MP?

I agree on criticizing on specific things they say, but I don't see much wrong with mocking stupid things they do.

 

[Dogsauce]

Considering the amount of media interest in Carrie Johnson, of course she has a spokesperson. fucking hell.

Paid for by who exactly? That’s my concern.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

There's a whiff of sexism in a lot of the stuff about Nadine Dorries too.

Maybe a slight whiff. There's a much bigger stench coming from the shit she's covered herself in all week that covers it up though.

 

[killer b]

Paid for by who exactly? That’s my concern.

If Carrie Johnson had a spokesperson paid for on the public dime it would already be in the newspapers and being used to attack her.

 

[gosub]

Maybe a slight whiff. There's a much bigger stench coming from the shit she's covered herself in all week that covers it up though.

From listening to what she has said, she has volentarily stuck her head over the parapet for him. Doesn't even look like Number 10 has helped her specifically with lines to take.

 

[Wilf]

It would be interesting to know who pays for Carrie Johnson's spokesperson (and other staff?). She herself is the former tory party chief of communications, iirc and she lives in an environment where there are platoons of both government and party spads, assistants, spokespersons, vassals and assorted creatures. killer b 's point above is sensible, but part of me wouldn't be surprised if here PR wasn't piggy backed onto one of those operations, however bad it would look if it came out. The whole johnson schtick is 100% about entitlement. The other option is she might be a client of one of the numerous pals he and she must have in the private sector PR business.

 

[Dogsauce]

From listening to what she has said, she has volentarily stuck her head over the parapet for him. Doesn't even look like Number 10 has helped her specifically with lines to take.

She seems to be a willing accomplice, but it’s desperation because her job depends on it, can’t see others willing to employ her. All or nothing. Those without a dog in the race that are still nuzzling Johnson’s arse (e.g. with fawning questions at PMQs) seem more embarrassing, but they seem thinner on the ground over the last few days, maybe they’ve figured out he’s a liability.

 

[Dogsauce]

It would be interesting to know who pays for Carrie Johnson's spokesperson (and other staff?). She herself is the former tory party chief of communications, iirc and she lives in an environment where there are platoons of both government and party spads, assistants, spokespersons, vassals and assorted creatures. killer b 's point above is sensible, but part of me wouldn't be surprised if here PR wasn't piggy backed onto one of those operations, however bad it would look if it came out. The whole johnson schtick is 100% about entitlement. The other option is she might be a client of one of the numerous pals he and she must have in the private sector PR business.

Yeah, I’m not keen on all this ‘first lady’ bollocks, which probably started with Blair. Maybe it’s a particular male ego thing needing to go all presidential style, or maybe it’s just how the media behaves and treats female partners. I don’t remember Philip May needing a spokesperson or being accused of scheming behind the throne.

(then again Norma Major and Gordon Brown’s Mrs were fairly invisible, so maybe it’s just particular to certain leaders)

 

[Wilf]

Yeah, I’m not keen on all this ‘first lady’ bollocks, which probably started with Blair. Maybe it’s a particular male ego thing needing to go all presidential style, or maybe it’s just how the media behaves and treats female partners. I don’t remember Philip May needing a spokesperson or being accused of scheming behind the throne.

(then again Norma Major and Gordon Brown’s Mrs were fairly invisible, so maybe it’s just particular to certain leaders)

Fwiw, I suspect Carrie has been involved in some decisions around appointments, in particular. More than any recent partner of a PM I can think of, she has the background for that, as some kind of tory spin doctor/comms person. I'm not overly fussed about whether it's her or johnson making the decisions, they are enemies and responsible for 10s of thousands of deaths, preceded by a decade of austerity and the rest. That's the problem.

If she has some kind of role, maybe that does reflect johnson's laziness and inability to do detail, so there's a plausibility to some of it. But it's a whole other thing to tell that as a Lady Macbeth story or some kind of sexist shite about a 'scheming' wife. Whatever the truth about their political relationship, the problem is 100% with the twin monsters that are boris johnson and the tory party.

 

[Ax^]

would not it pass Johnson in his self preservation mode to be premoting the blame carrie shite himself
deflect deflect

 

[two sheds]

would not it pass Johnson in his self preservation mode to be premoting the blame carrie shite himself
deflect deflect

couldn't have put it better myself

 

[two sheds]

.

 

[Ax^]

would not put it pass Johnson in his self preservation mode,
to be premoting the blame carrie shite himself
deflect the blame onto anyone elese

 

[Dom Traynor]

I'm pretty sure there was a spokesperson employed by the government to support Cherie Blair, and I think in the current rolling 24 hour news environment it would make sense for those PMs partners who want one. The cost would be a drop in the ocean of the Number 10 budget.

 

[Raheem]

would not it pass Johnson in his self preservation mode to be premoting the blame carrie shite himself
deflect deflect

She probably talked him into it, though.

 

[cupid_stunt]

There's going to be loads of shit flying around about Carrie Johnson over the coming days, because Ashcroft has brought forward the publication of the book about her, and done a deal with the Mail to publish parts from it, so it's going to leak out into other media outlets.

I am sure Carrie Johnson does talk to BJ about policy, considering her background, and so probably has some level of influence on him, but that doesn't actually matter, he's the PM, he's the one making the final decisions, the buck stops with him. I guess his surprise birthday party is an exception, but even that relied on more than just her deciding it was OK.

The stuff about her being in love with him does rather stand out to me in that regard, as it did with Laura Kuenssberg back in the day.

I'd rather criticisse them for specific things they say, of which there are often no shortage. I can see why people cant resist the opportunity to mock when particular images present themselves, but it often reveals something beyond the people in the pictures.

I sort of agree with that, but also with two sheds too.

You think nobody would have commented if Johnson, for example, had been photographed looking adoringly at a female MP?

I agree on criticizing on specific things they say, but I don't see much wrong with mocking stupid things they do.

Let's not forget all the piss-taking surrounding Hancock when he was filmed looking adoringly in this clip, although in a somewhat more creepy way, it's similar to what people found funny with Deluded Dorries.

NSFW piss-taking sound.

 

[ruffneck23]

Im not impressed with the Carrie bashing tbh, it's not surprising at all though.

But if Carrie does not hold a role in government it does beg the question of whether this was a 'work event' or not?

 

[andysays]

Im not impressed with the Carrie bashing tbh, it's not surprising at all though.

But if Carrie does not hold a role in government it does beg the question of whether this was a 'work event' or not?

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It seems to me that the whole work/personal distinction is quite blurred for the elite, to the extent that it genuinely doesn't mean the same to them as it does to the rest of us.

I've said before that I suspect this sort of at work socialising is absolutely standard in the Westminster world (and elsewhere), and that in pre-Covid times it was seen as utterly remarkable and was utterly unremarked upon by those within that world, including, no doubt, many of those who are criticising it now.

So most of those involved probably do genuinely regard what's happening there as a work event and would see little or nothing wrong with it, even in the context of Covid.

And that's not in any way to excuse it, rather to point out that the entitlement and disconnect goes way beyond not following the Covid rules which they expect everyone else to follow.

 

[Chilli.s]

That's the obvious one, were you allowed to bring your wife and kid to work that week?

 

[ruffneck23]

That's the obvious one, were you aloud to bring your wife and kid to work that week?

That's what makes it more sickening, the fact it's so obvious.

 

[Supine]

That's the obvious one, were you aloud to bring your wife and kid to work that week?

Carrie is a senior leader in the Conservative party. She is not just hanging around her husband outside her flat.

 

[Chilli.s]

Carrie is a senior leader in the Conservative party. She is not just hanging around her husband outside her flat.

On maternity leave? Paid maternity leave?

 

[andysays]

Carrie is a senior leader in the Conservative party. She is not just hanging around her husband outside her flat.

But surely her spokesperson said she's just a private individual

 

[cupid_stunt]

Well, with headlines like this from the Express, he's totally fucked now...

 

[strung out]

Carrie is a senior leader in the Conservative party.

Lol, no she's not.