PM Boris Johnson - monster thread for a monster twat

[Hermione Jack]

Do you deny that this happened?

I do not deny that he shook hands with people. He admitted that he did so. But, it was on the same day that experts warned people not to do it. But there’s no evidence that he continued to do it.

You say that as though it had some bearing on his racism. It doesn't. So shut the fuck up about it because you're being really fucking boring

Ignore me then. And, learn how to spell.

You've inferred intent on my part that you have no business doing. You are in no position to accuse me of lying.

The evidence is that he, Hancock and Cummings, got the virus. So evidently he didn't take adequate precaustions and stated that as policy "taking it on the chin"

You are welcome to respond, but I won't be bothering if you accuse me of lying.

You are a liar.

People who try their best to prevent themselves from catching Covid-19 can still catch it. What the hell are you on about now? So, by your logic, the people who die from Covid-19 brought it on themselves.

 

[Hermione Jack]

But the govt didn't mandate face masks until the 24th July Face coverings to be mandatory in shops and supermarkets from 24 July

So you agree the government was late in mandating facemasks?

At the time, no, because at the time the science wasn’t clear about how much protection they give people.

In hindsight, yes.

As I have said before, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[Serge Forward]

What have I missed?

 

[Dystopiary]

Do you have any evidence that he caught Covid-19 by shaking people’s hands?

No, do you have any evidence that he got it from playing tonsil tennis with one of his many paramours?

 

[Hermione Jack]

No, do you have any evidence that he got it from playing tonsil tennis with one of his many paramours?

You should go and make yourself a black coffee and then give your head a wobble.

 

[Storm Fox]

At the time, no, because at the time the science wasn’t clear about how much protection they give people.

In hindsight, yes.

As I have said before, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

What like 7 months after the WHO recommended them as part of Covid control.

Fact check: The World Health Organization did not change advice to say masks are not necessary In fact, in response to a question on Jan. 22 about the efficacy of masks in the face of new COVID-19 variants, the WHO’s technical lead on COVID-19, Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, said they were “one aspect of control” that helps reduce transmission in conjunction with other measures.

 

[brogdale]

Another one?

 

[eatmorecheese]

What have I missed?

Nuffink fam

 

[agricola]

The Covid-19 pandemic has brought about unprecedented challenges and for societies.

When was the last time the NHS was under so much pressure?

How many people caught Covid-19 and unfortunately died because they didn’t distance themselves from others, did not wear face masks, etc? (I’m not expecting you to answer this question, I am pointing out how complex it is at assessing specifically who should be blamed for Covid-19 deaths).

What are the same mistakes he is continuing to make? What should he be doing differently?

The NHS was under so much pressure because of his (and the government's) failures. If they'd been more competent - if Cummings had actually been as good as he told everyone he was, if they'd genuinely come up with "game-changing" national programmes of detection and prevention (and support for individuals and businesses to allow them to do what they needed to do) - there was no reason that the Autumn / Winter horrors should have happened to anything like the degree they did.

You talk about not social distancing, not wearing masks and so on - those are excuses used to blame people for getting sick, rather than the government whose failure to respond adequately allowed the disease to circulate widely enough that they were exposed to it.

With regards to the same mistakes - I'd have thought these were obvious. He is still over-promising (over holidays and the "return to normality" / "Freedom Day"), he still hasn't overseen the creation of a system that can quickly enough pick up and contain outbreaks that pose a threat, he is still allowing short term and insignificant political concerns to override public health ones, he is still flirting with the anti-lockdown crowd (most of whom are his mates) and overall he is still serially dishonest even with relatively trivial matters (which as we have seen absolutely shreds public confidence in what he is asking people to do).

 

[elbows]

At the time, no, because at the time the science wasn’t clear about how much protection they give people.

In hindsight, yes.

As I have said before, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Cunts that hide behind the idea that hindsight was required to spot most of the mistakes, shit priorities and indifference in this pandemic can fuck off.

There were many failings by large sections of the establishment, that much is true, it wasnt just Johnson, But Johnson was an additional dollop of shit on top that made things worse. In the buildup to the first wave he made things worse but there was widespread establishment failure, including both policy and timing. By contrast, the terrible failings that caused the second wave to be the size it was were more directly Johnsons fault because he ignored the official scientific advice and preferred to have pathetic rants about letting the bodies pile higher instead.

Anyway I made sure to get most of my criticisms in early throughout the pandemic, in part so that I can quickly dismiss the idea that hindsight was required to decode the pandemic puzzle. Many of the mistakes were predictable before they happened, no hindsight required.

 

[Hermione Jack]

What like 7 months after the WHO recommended them as part of Covid control.

That’s about something entirely different. At the start of the pandemic there was conflicting views about the effectiveness of face masks.

 

[brogdale]

43 posts since 5.46pm

Piece-rate?

 

[Storm Fox]

So Hermione Jack, are the doctors wrong too or do you know better? The UK’s poor record on covid-19 is a failure of policy learning or is this hindsight too.

These failures reflect a preference for heroic leadership by the few rather than collective and distributed leadership by the many. A more effective path would have involved the government working with the devolved administrations, regional and local leaders in delivering the response and learning from experience on the ground. Shorter lines of communication between ministers and leaders in schools, care homes, general practices, hospitals, and public health teams would have improved feedback and led to better decisions.

 

[Hermione Jack]

Cunts that hide behind the idea that hindsight was required to spot most of the mistakes, shit priorities and indifference in this pandemic can fuck off.

What a lovely person you seem. Jesus Christ.

There were many failings by large sections of the establishment, that much is true, it wasnt just Johnson, But Johnson was an additional dollop of shit on top that made things worse. In the buildup to the first wave he made things worse but there was widespread establishment failure, including both policy and timing. By contrast, the terrible failings that caused the second wave to be the size it was were more directly Johnsons fault because he ignored the official scientific advice and preferred to have pathetic rants about letting the bodies pile higher instead.

You do realise that the ‘letting the bodies pile higher’ is hearsay? Of course you’ll believe it because it suits your narrative, but there isn’t any evidence that he said it.

Anyway I made sure to get most of my criticisms in early throughout the pandemic, in part so that I can quickly dismiss the idea that hindsight was required to decode the pandemic puzzle. Many of the mistakes were predictable before they happened, no hindsight required.

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What things were predictable without hindsight reflecting on things that unfortunately happened?

 

[elbows]

That’s about something entirely different. At the start of the pandemic there was conflicting views about the effectiveness of face masks.

Leaders need to make decisions based on conflicting evidence, A precautionary principal would be useful to emply during a bad pandemic.

Johnson was more interested in bragging about how this country would don a superman cape to defend free trade in the face of weird restrictions that were surely an overreaction. A position that is consistent with the later revelation that he wanted to be infected with the virus on tv in order to encourage everyone to keep calm and carry on. There are many good reasons that approach went right down the toilet by mid March 2020.

 

[Hermione Jack]

Leaders need to make decisions based on conflicting evidence, A precautionary principal would be useful to emply during a bad pandemic.

And no matter what side he chose, he wouldn’t have been able to please everyone.

Johnson was more interested in bragging about how this country would don a superman cape to defend free trade in the face of weird restrictions that were surely an overreaction. A position that is consistent with the later revelation that he wanted to be infected with the virus on tv in order to encourage everyone to keep calm and carry on. There are many good reasons that approach went right down the toilet by mid March 2020.

Provide evidence of the “later revelation that he wanted to be infected with the virus on tv in order to encourage everyone to keep calm and carry on.” That sounds like a shit conspiracy theory.

 

[Hermione Jack]

So Hermione Jack, are the doctors wrong too or do you know better? The UK’s poor record on covid-19 is a failure of policy learning or is this hindsight too.

I know better than to stop responding to your spam-like questions.

From the source you cited:

“Not everything in the response went wrong. Notable successes included research into the effectiveness of treatments led by researchers at University College London and work to develop a vaccine at Oxford University. The government’s support for businesses through the furlough scheme and business rates relief can also be counted as timely interventions. The same applies to increases in universal credit to help people most in need.”

Yet some morons on here won’t even give the government any credit.

 

[elbows]

What things were predictable without hindsight reflecting on things that unfortunately happened?

I've written thousands of posts on the pandemic. I do repeat myself a lot but Im not going to do that for you because you are obviously a piece of pandemic shit and it will be a waste of my time to engage further with your sad little defence of Johnson.

The public inquiry will have a hell of a lot of failings to get its teeth into. Some stretch back many years, some involve unelected parts of the establishment. Some will feature Johnson making deadly mistakes. Only an absolute fuckwit would bet against that, so no Im not going to bother going through all the details again now.

I can say be bothered to say one thing about the current situation though rather than the past. It was really obvious that removing the school masks policy would increase infections in this wave. Johnson and the rest of his government should be held to account for a policy that is effectively herd immunity for younger people, a new version of their original pandemic plan that they feel they can get away with now because we have vaccines to carry a lot of the pandemic weight in older people. The consequences for some people as a result of this approach is death. In the weeks and months ahead people will die. They will no longer have the luxury of posting on a message board about how unfairly they think Johnson has been treated in this pandemic.

Anyway I wont be speaking to you again. I'd rather look at the excellent art of wefail such as that which I featured in my previous post. An infinitely better use of my time, and it also says more of use about this pandemic than you are going to manage. Wefail Art - Political Prints and Original Paintings

 

[brogdale]

Using discredited, eugenicist intellectual disability terms about fellow posters?

Your "1st" evening here.

Hmmm

 

[elbows]

And no matter what side he chose, he wouldn’t have been able to please everyone.

 

[glitch hiker]

I do not deny that he shook hands with people. He admitted that he did so. But, it was on the same day that experts warned people not to do it. But there’s no evidence that he continued to do it.

Ignore me then. And, learn how to spell.

You are a liar.

People who try their best to prevent themselves from catching Covid-19 can still catch it. What the hell are you on about now? So, by your logic, the people who die from Covid-19 brought it on themselves.

There's a world of difference between catching covid though no fault of your own and catching covid while ignoring obvious social distancing as the PM while publicly telling people to take it on the chin.

And we're done. Bye bye now

 

[Storm Fox]

I know better than to stop responding to your spam-like questions.

From the source you cited:

“Not everything in the response went wrong. Notable successes included research into the effectiveness of treatments led by researchers at University College London and work to develop a vaccine at Oxford University. The government’s support for businesses through the furlough scheme and business rates relief can also be counted as timely interventions. The same applies to increases in universal credit to help people most in need.”

Yet some morons on here won’t even give the government any credit.

Yet some morons won't admit the government does anything wrong.
Come on don't be a moron, what is one of the few things the government done wrong?

 

[Hermione Jack]

The NHS was under so much pressure because of his (and the government's) failures. If they'd been more competent - if Cummings had actually been as good as he told everyone he was, if they'd genuinely come up with "game-changing" national programmes of detection and prevention (and support for individuals and businesses to allow them to do what they needed to do) - there was no reason that the Autumn / Winter horrors should have happened to anything like the degree they did.

The government tried their best to find a workable track and trace system. Things like that don’t just become invented over night. Unless of course one believes in magic. They did financially help people, both individuals and businesses.

You talk about not social distancing, not wearing masks and so on - those are excuses used to blame people for getting sick, rather than the government whose failure to respond adequately allowed the disease to circulate widely enough that they were exposed to it.

No, it is called pointing out that one too many people didn’t take the virus seriously and unfortunately some people still do not. How do you think the government was to stop the virus from circulating?

With regards to the same mistakes - I'd have thought these were obvious. He is still over-promising (over holidays and the "return to normality" / "Freedom Day"), he still hasn't overseen the creation of a system that can quickly enough pick up and contain outbreaks that pose a threat, he is still allowing short term and insignificant political concerns to override public health ones, he is still flirting with the anti-lockdown crowd (most of whom are his mates) and overall he is still serially dishonest even with relatively trivial matters (which as we have seen absolutely shreds public confidence in what he is asking people to do).

He has not promised anything like that, he has always been honest with people that there is a possibility of an extended lockdown. What shredded public confidence was when he kept Dominic Cummings, I think that was a bad move. Although it’s important to save lives, what about other things like the economy? We can’t stay in a lockdown indefinitely.

 

[Hermione Jack]

There's a world of difference between catching covid though no fault of your own and catching covid while ignoring obvious social distancing as the PM while publicly telling people to take it on the chin.

And we're done. Bye bye now

You have no evidence that he caught Covid-19 by not socially distancing from other people. He’s been vaccinated. He wears a face mask. He distances himself from other people.

Yet some morons won't admit the government does anything wrong.
Come on don't be a moron, what is one of the few things the government done wrong?

See, you clearly do not even bother to read all of my posts.

Boris Johnson should have got rid of Dominic Cummings straightaway.

The second lockdown should have happened sooner.

I don’t think there is anyone who genuinely believes that the government haven’t made any mistakes. Boris Johnson himself has admitted that the government has made mistakes. But, unlike some people on here, most people accept that mistakes were inevitable during a pandemic and to blame things entirely on the PM is ridiculous.

 

[elbows]

 

[Hermione Jack]

I've written thousands of posts on the pandemic. I do repeat myself a lot but Im not going to do that for you because you are obviously a piece of pandemic shit and it will be a waste of my time to engage further with your sad little defence of Johnson.

One ad hominem after another. Yawn.

The public inquiry will have a hell of a lot of failings to get its teeth into. Some stretch back many years, some involve unelected parts of the establishment. Some will feature Johnson making deadly mistakes. Only an absolute fuckwit would bet against that, so no Im not going to bother going through all the details again now.

I’ve never denied that he has made mistakes. He himself has admitted in making mistakes. Are you tripping or something?

I can say be bothered to say one thing about the current situation though rather than the past. It was really obvious that removing the school masks policy would increase infections in this wave. Johnson and the rest of his government should be held to account for a policy that is effectively herd immunity for younger people, a new version of their original pandemic plan that they feel they can get away with now because we have vaccines to carry a lot of the pandemic weight in older people. The consequences for some people as a result of this approach is death. In the weeks and months ahead people will die. They will no longer have the luxury of posting on a message board about how unfairly they think Johnson has been treated in this pandemic.

It seems you are unaware that the government are trying to ease restrictions so we can get back to normal or whatever you want to call it.

Anyway I wont be speaking to you again. I'd rather look at the excellent art of wefail such as that which I featured in my previous post. An infinitely better use of my time, and it also says more of use about this pandemic than you are going to manage. Wefail Art - Political Prints and Original Paintings

Jog on fella... Merry Christmas.

Using discredited, eugenicist intellectual disability terms about fellow posters?

Your "1st" evening here.

Hmmm

????

 

[equationgirl]

He is the leader of the country so he deserves credit for it.

By your logic (or rather lack of quite frankly), Winston Churchill doesn’t deserve any credit for the Allies victory in WW2.

What utter rubbish.

Well, I get those on the left need a scapegoat.

You cannot compare a war, when thousands of people signed up to serve their country knowing they might not survive, with a pandemic.

Funny you mention Churchill though, Boris loves him too...

 

[Dystopiary]

You should go and make yourself a black coffee and then give your head a wobble.

Late in the day for coffee. Time for chamomile tea.

You should go and make yourself a black coffee and then give your head a wobble.

I was wearing a mask and socially distancing before Johnson was doing the public post-covid handshaking. Think you should have addressed your "give your head a wobble" advice elsewhere and a lot sooner.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

You have no evidence that he caught Covid-19 by not socially distancing from other people. He’s been vaccinated. He wears a face mask. He distances himself from other people.


See, you clearly do not even bother to read all of my posts.

Boris Johnson should have got rid of Dominic Cummings straightaway.

The second lockdown should have happened sooner.

I don’t think there is anyone who genuinely believes that the government haven’t made any mistakes. Boris Johnson himself has admitted that the government has made mistakes. But, unlike some people on here, most people accept that mistakes were inevitable during a pandemic and to blame things entirely on the PM is ridiculous.

The first fucking lockdown should have happened sooner. People like you who bang on about hindsight are full of shit. I, in March last year, decided to socially distance before it was even mentioned, I stopped using public transport and I was saying to anyone who would listen that we should lockdown and take this shit seriously.

What was that cunt doing? Washing hands whilst singing happy fucking birthday whilst also shaking hands with covid patients. Oh yeah, and letting Liverpool v Athletico Madrid go ahead along with the Cheltenham festival.

Go and look up John Ashworth and what he was saying on question time at the time too.

Don't talk to me about fucking hindsight and oh boo hoo the prime minister is getting such a bad rap. This is the fucking government we're talking about. Their job is to protect us. The British state has ample resources and experience to deal with this sort of crisis but instead we got a floppy haired privileged fuckwit tallyho chaps in charge of public services his party pissed away 10 years prior.

You might have had a nice little jolly on furlough whereas I've worked all the way through. His dithering on masks and saying 'oh just use your common sense' put my life at risk, literally, because of that prick's attitude and lax enforcement about half the customers who come into where I work don't wear masks.

You might think oh Hur Hur let's come onto urban and play devil's advocate as a laugh but seriously, just fuck off with this 'oh who could do better. ' On some of it I could've done better, seriously and on all of it there are several people on here alone who could have done it better. So I'll say again, fuck off with this hindsight bullshit because loads of people at the time saw this for what it was as soon as it was in China and especially when it was becoming clear what Italy were going through.

 

[Hermione Jack]

You cannot compare a war, when thousands of people signed up to serve their country knowing they might not survive, with a pandemic.

Funny you mention Churchill though, Boris loves him too...

So according to you a leader should get blamed for the deaths of people who die because of a pandemic. Why should he be blamed for the deaths caused by a virus? He can’t control the virus. He bears no responsibility for the mutations of the virus or the existence of it. What are you babbling on about exactly?

You don’t know your history very well. Men in the UK aged between 18 and 41 were forced (conscripted) to fight during WW2.