PM Boris Johnson - monster thread for a monster twat

[A380]

Over on Conservative Home there seems to be a view ( from both the mad and not mad audiences) that ironically ( at least from the not mad side of the house) many of those members voting for TFCABDFJ Probably didn’t vote Tory in the Euros, instead voting for Farrage’s gang. And they see Bojo the Clown as the last chance to see Brexit in their ( mostly quite short) lifetimes.

 

[Pickman's model]

Over on Conservative Home there seems to be a view ( from both the mad and not mad audiences) that ironically ( at least from the not mad side of the house) many of those members voting for TFCABDFJ Probably didn’t vote Tory in the Euros, instead voting for Farrage’s gang. And they see Bojo the Clown as the last chance to see Brexit in their ( mostly quite short) lifetimes.

if de pfeffel fucks it up - as he will - where will this crowd go next?

 

[brogdale]

if de pfeffel fucks it up - as he will - where will this crowd go next?

 

[A380]

if de pfeffel fucks it up - as he will - where will this crowd go next?

No idea...

 

[Pickman's model]

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i cannot think of another leading politician who has succeeded so well in evading election to the house of commons

 

[SpookyFrank]

What is even the thought process? I'm really struggling here.

The process is 'he's a callous, self-serving, ignorant oaf and the higher he climbs the better I feel about also being a callous, self-serving, ignorant oaf.'

Your typical tory party member is also around 89 years old and so is unlikely to have to live with the consequences of their decision for long.

 

[kebabking]

Over on Conservative Home there seems to be a view ( from both the mad and not mad audiences) that ironically ( at least from the not mad side of the house) many of those members voting for TFCABDFJ Probably didn’t vote Tory in the Euros, instead voting for Farrage’s gang. And they see Bojo the Clown as the last chance to see Brexit in their ( mostly quite short) lifetimes.

I think that's the view of pretty much everyone in the Tory party - big influx of members who've not voted Tory in the last 20 years.

 

[brogdale]

i cannot think of another leading politician who has succeeded so well in evading election to the house of commons

It's not Dover till the fat lady sings....

 

[killer b]

The parliamentary party could easily fix a leadership election if they wanted to though, case in point May vs Leadsom.

Right, but the sequence of events which would result in this parliamentary party fixing the leadership election for Rory Stewart are so improbable that you can simply discount it.

 

[maomao]

What I really don't get...and I know the choice is Hunt or Johnson, so not a great choice...and I know that I'm not a Tory party member...is how Johnson is sitting at 75% in the latest polls I've seen of Tory party members (ie the people who have actually voted on this)? That's not equivocal...that's a party that seems pretty certain that given the choice of Johnson or anyone else, the obvious answer isn't: "duh, anyone else". That's a section of the population for whom the idea of Boris Johnson as prime minister is out and out the best outcome. Not a hypothetical outcome. Not "we'll have him as leader but we don't think he'll ever get to number 10". No, "we'll put him in number 10 on Wednesday".

What is even the thought process? I'm really struggling here.

The dog whistle racism stuff has been very popular with the Tommy/UKIP/anti-PC crowd. And like Trump the bad behaviour helps him be perceived as anti establishment when he's the precise opposite.

 

[SpookyFrank]

And they see Bojo the Clown as the last chance to see Brexit in their ( mostly quite short) lifetimes.

Sadly I fear their disappoinment will be cold comfort at best.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Right, but the sequence of events which would result in this parliamentary party fixing the leadership election for Rory Stewart are so improbable that you can simply discount it.

Stewart maybe, but another 'moderate' candidate might seem prudent in the aftermath of the inevitable Johnson-induced clusterfuck.

But to be honest, all bets are off. I was just pointing out that it's within the parliamentary party's gift to either bypass a leadership election altogether or set up one which was a mere formality.

 

[maomao]

The phrase I hear most often to express admiration for both Trump and TCJ is 'he doesn't give a fuck'. I think this is meant to suggest that they are beyond the influence of the PC Liberal Marxists Muslims who actually run society.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The phrase I hear most often to express admiration for both Trump and TCJ is 'he doesn't give a fuck'. I think this is meant to suggest that they are beyond the influence of the PC Liberal Marxists Muslims who actually run society.

Imagine interviewing for any other job by presenting a CV full of lies and failures and declaring that you don't gice a fuck about the job or anything else. You'd not get a job scrubbing floors with that attitude, and yet somehow it counts as a qualification for running a medium sized country.

 

[killer b]

Stewart maybe, but another 'moderate' candidate might seem prudent in the aftermath of the inevitable Johnson-induced clusterfuck.

But to be honest, all bets are off. I was just pointing out that it's within the parliamentary party's gift to either bypass a leadership election altogether or set up one which was a mere formality.

Well, we were talking about Rory Stewart. I'd judge anyone else on a case by case basis - however, I don't think the reaction of the conservative party in the wake of Johnson fucking up will be a lurch to the centre.

Also bear in mind it's only in the gift of the parliamentary party to fix the leadership if they're able to agree within the MPs on one candidate - that might have been possible for May, because she gave a massive amount of ground to the right of the party: I don't think the right will accept that again though. Why would they? If they force a ballot with the membership they know they can win against any centrist candidate.

 

[elbows]

What I really don't get...and I know the choice is Hunt or Johnson, so not a great choice...and I know that I'm not a Tory party member...is how Johnson is sitting at 75% in the latest polls I've seen of Tory party members (ie the people who have actually voted on this)? That's not equivocal...that's a party that seems pretty certain that given the choice of Johnson or anyone else, the obvious answer isn't: "duh, anyone else". That's a section of the population for whom the idea of Boris Johnson as prime minister is out and out the best outcome. Not a hypothetical outcome. Not "we'll have him as leader but we don't think he'll ever get to number 10". No, "we'll put him in number 10 on Wednesday".

What is even the thought process? I'm really struggling here.

One factor is probably that they have nostalgia for the days when we were told the tory party was full of 'big beasts', and a parade of management-consultant-like politicians has only underlined this point in the decades since. Add a dollop of populist bluster and shameless dog-whistles that energise the base. To a chorus of 'we dont care if he's a sinner, he's a wildcard, he's a winner'.

They want pantomine, not grey peas.

 

[A380]

Imagine interviewing for any other job by presenting a CV full of lies and failures and declaring that you don't gice a fuck about the job or anything else. You'd not get a job scrubbing floors with that attitude, and yet somehow it counts as a qualification for running a medium sized country.

Floreat Etona

 

[ViolentPanda]

he'll be the man who made theresa may look strong and stable by comparison

He'll be the man who makes the Augean stables look clean by comparison.

 

[killer b]

I'm interested to see what the main funders of the Tory party will do. Bloated evil capitalists they may be but batshit fucking crazy less so.

When are these guys going to step forward? You'd have thought they'd have flexed their muscles by now, if they were going to.

Of all the white knights people seem to be hoping for, 'tory party funders' seem one of the strangest.

 

[Poi E]

i cannot think of another leading politician who has succeeded so well in evading election to the house of commons

His only redeeming trait.

 

[A380]

When are these guys going to step forward? You'd have thought they'd have flexed their muscles by now, if they were going to.

Of all the white knights people seem to be hoping for, 'tory party funders' seem one of the strangest.

No, they will still fuck us over. But in a sane way...

 

[killer b]

No, they will still fuck us over. But in a sane way...

Well, there's one of two things going on here: either 1) they have much more limited control of the process than you thought they did, or 2) they're totally in to what's happening. Either way, they aren't sanely galloping over the hill to rescue you, sorry.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, there's one of two things going on here: either 1) they have much more limited control of the process than you thought they did, or 2) they're totally in to what's happening. Either way, they aren't sanely galloping over the hill to rescue you, sorry.

i can't see boris johnson on a horse ending happily (yes i know you're talking about backers but your post brought an image of him on horseback to mind)





on second thoughts...

 

[klang]

The dog whistle racism stuff has been very popular with the Tommy/UKIP/anti-PC crowd. And like Trump the bad behaviour helps him be perceived as anti establishment when he's the precise opposite.

yes, I've heard acquaintances spouting shit like 'love or loath Trump and BJ, at least they are not puppets'.
depressing.

 

[tim]

zero. There is no way Stewart would get past a vote of the members against pretty much anyone else.

Brenda could go back to her old ways and just ask him to form a government to sort out the crisis post Bro-Job.

 

[killer b]

lol sure.

 

[killer b]

The fantasy of the Queen as deus-ex-machina for remainers has been one of the less edifying spectacles of this whole process. Bring on no deal first, please.

 

[Pickman's model]

yes, I've heard acquaintances spouting shit like 'love or loath Trump and BJ, at least they are not puppets'.
depressing.

still like to see them hang

 

[8ball]

The fantasy of the Queen as deus-ex-machina for remainers has been one of the less edifying spectacles of this whole process. Bring on no deal first, please.

Is there no accompanying fantasy of the Queen as deus-ex-machina for leavers?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

What I really don't get...and I know the choice is Hunt or Johnson, so not a great choice...and I know that I'm not a Tory party member...is how Johnson is sitting at 75% in the latest polls I've seen of Tory party members (ie the people who have actually voted on this)? That's not equivocal...that's a party that seems pretty certain that given the choice of Johnson or anyone else, the obvious answer isn't: "duh, anyone else". That's a section of the population for whom the idea of Boris Johnson as prime minister is out and out the best outcome. Not a hypothetical outcome. Not "we'll have him as leader but we don't think he'll ever get to number 10". No, "we'll put him in number 10 on Wednesday".

What is even the thought process? I'm really struggling here.

I can just about cope with the idea that a majority of Tory party members actually think Johnson is a good candidate for PM. I mean they are obviously going to have to be very strange to begin with to even be in that situation, increasingly so as the Tories become an active barrier to their own re-election.

What I won't be able to cope with is if there's a Tory majority in the general which will come after him becoming PM. I really don't think I can handle that. I've found it hard enough to understand in the past but I don't know how I will deal with it when it comes to Boris Fucking Johnson I Mean Boris Fucking Johnson You Fucking Voted For A Party Led By Boris Fucking Johnson What The Fuck How Could You Fucking Do This.

but it won't surprise me if it happens