PM Boris Johnson - monster thread for a monster twat

[brogdale]

...and our job is to counter every populist move he makes with "Eton".

Probability of Johnson being succeeded by another Etonian?

 

[killer b]

Probability of Johnson being succeeded by another Etonian?

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zero. There is no way Stewart would get past a vote of the members against pretty much anyone else.

 

[brogdale]

zero. There is no way Stewart would get past a vote of the members against pretty much anyone else.

I'm sure we'll have the chance to revisit the certainty of your prediction after the short premiership of TCJ

 

[Pickman's model]

Probability of Johnson being succeeded by another Etonian?

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that's a rorybot

 

[killer b]

I'm sure we'll have the chance to revisit the certainty of your prediction after the short premiership of TCJ

He has less chance of being the next leader of the tories as Liz Kendal has of becoming the next Labour leader. Where's his support going to come from?

 

[brogdale]

He has less chance of being the next leader of the tories as Liz Kendal has of becoming the next Labour leader. Where's his support going to come from?

I know...but what we can't yet know is quite how damaged and fractured a post-Johnson tory party will be or how it will behave to save itself from oblivion.

 

[Pickman's model]

I know...but what we can't yet know is quite how damaged and fractured a post-Johnson tory party will be or how it will behave to save itself from oblivion.

oh i don't suppose it will ever be forgotten

 

[DotCommunist]

Rory got a brief run of media boosting that made me ill, but thats not enough, as the ind-chuck-tig axis found out.

 

[brogdale]

Rory got a brief run of media boosting that made me ill, but thats not enough, as the ind-chuck-tig axis found out.

All true, but the eventual state of the (governing) right party of capital, is a different context to the centrist kite-flying of Chucky's mob.
If things really dissolve under Johnson, there's obviously a very real chance that the party would attempt to re-invent itself as a 'one-nation' party under a 'moderate' leader.

 

[killer b]

But they can't reinvent the membership as one nation, moderate members, however much they'd like to.

 

[brogdale]

But they can't reinvent the membership as one nation, moderate members, however much they'd like to.

Depends on which/how many members leave/die/give up etc.

 

[likesfish]

Well on the plus side dieing in a nuclear war would solve everybody's problems.

Unfortunately Brighton and hove is a nuclear free zone.

BH Council inherits the earth it would be like a vegan version of demolition man except without the competency
Tribes worshipping the i360

 

[not-bono-ever]

The-independent-group.co.uk.

 

[kebabking]

But they can't reinvent the membership as one nation, moderate members, however much they'd like to.

Depends on how many leave once whatever-the-hell-happens-over-brexit actually happens, it depends on who joins, and of course it depends on what the rules are.

I live in Tory land, pretty much everyone i know socially votes Tory, and only a tiny proportion of them are Johnson fans or at the UKIP-lite end of the Tory party. To think, imv, that this is a forever thing would be to ignore recent history.

I could, of course, be wrong..

 

[killer b]

The current balance within the party - members not voters - would require years, decades even of churn (and churn in the right direction) before anyone someone like Stewart would get a shot.

 

[brogdale]

The current balance within the party - members not voters - would require years, decades even of churn (and churn in the right direction) before anyone someone like Stewart would get a shot.

Or, faced with existential threat, changed minds.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Unfortunately Brighton and hove is a nuclear free zone.

Lol has anyone told them that thermonuclear armageddon does not work on an opt-in basis.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The current balance within the party - members not voters - would require years, decades even of churn (and churn in the right direction) before anyone someone like Stewart would get a shot.

The parliamentary party could easily fix a leadership election if they wanted to though, case in point May vs Leadsom.

 

[kebabking]

Lol has anyone told them that thermonuclear armageddon does not work on an opt-in basis.

They don't listen to negativity.

Another Mung bean - they are delicious, and sustainably sourced?

 

[A380]

Well on the plus side dieing in a nuclear war would solve everybody's problems.

Unfortunately Brighton and hove is a nuclear free zone.

BH Council inherits the earth it would be like a vegan version of demolition man except without the competency
Tribes worshipping the i360

Imagine your last moments on earth: looking down the barrel of an artisan sourced sawn off shot gun ( Notice its a flintlock black powder version- not because we’d run out of modern weapons but because it’s more ‘authentic’) as someone with a man bun blows you away for your last 300gm of organic quinoa.

 

[A380]

Depends on how many leave once whatever-the-hell-happens-over-brexit actually happens, it depends on who joins, and of course it depends on what the rules are.

I live in Tory land, pretty much everyone i know socially votes Tory, and only a tiny proportion of them are Johnson fans or at the UKIP-lite end of the Tory party. To think, imv, that this is a forever thing would be to ignore recent history.

I could, of course, be wrong..

I'm interested to see what the main funders of the Tory party will do. Bloated evil capitalists they may be but batshit fucking crazy less so.

 

[Argonia]

GE on the way...

 

[likesfish]

Lol has anyone told them that thermonuclear armageddon does not work on an opt-in basis.

they managed to so annoy the MoD with repeated letters demanding that they confirm the TA drill halls didn't hold nuclear weapons
that the Artillery unit got upgraded garages that could store 155mm towed guns instead of 105 light guns that could actually fire nuclear artillery shells

 

[SpookyFrank]

They don't listen to negativity.

Another Mung bean - they are delicious, and sustainably sourced?

I'm suddenly tempted to reach for the nukes myself.

 

[danny la rouge]

The parliamentary party could easily fix a leadership election if they wanted to though, case in point May vs Leadsom.

What I really don't get...and I know the choice is Hunt or Johnson, so not a great choice...and I know that I'm not a Tory party member...is how Johnson is sitting at 75% in the latest polls I've seen of Tory party members (ie the people who have actually voted on this)? That's not equivocal...that's a party that seems pretty certain that given the choice of Johnson or anyone else, the obvious answer isn't: "duh, anyone else". That's a section of the population for whom the idea of Boris Johnson as prime minister is out and out the best outcome. Not a hypothetical outcome. Not "we'll have him as leader but we don't think he'll ever get to number 10". No, "we'll put him in number 10 on Wednesday".

What is even the thought process? I'm really struggling here.

 

[binka]

What I really don't get...and I know the choice is Hunt or Johnson, so not a great choice...and I know that I'm not a Tory party member...is how Johnson is sitting at 75% in the latest polls I've seen of Tory party members (ie the people who have actually voted on this)? That's not equivocal...that's a party that seems pretty certain that given the choice of Johnson or anyone else, the obvious answer isn't: "duh, anyone else". That's a section of the population for whom the idea of Boris Johnson as prime minister is out and out the best outcome. Not a hypothetical outcome. Not "we'll have him as leader but we don't think he'll ever get to number 10". No, "we'll put him in number 10 on Wednesday".

What is even the thought process? I'm really struggling here.

Some of them genuinely like him, seen more than a few comment that they see him as the only route to Brexit through the Tory party - they'll tolerate him as long as he delivers.

 

[Steel Icarus]

What I really don't get...and I know the choice is Hunt or Johnson, so not a great choice...and I know that I'm not a Tory party member...is how Johnson is sitting at 75% in the latest polls I've seen of Tory party members (ie the people who have actually voted on this)? That's not equivocal...that's a party that seems pretty certain that given the choice of Johnson or anyone else, the obvious answer isn't: "duh, anyone else". That's a section of the population for whom the idea of Boris Johnson as prime minister is out and out the best outcome. Not a hypothetical outcome. Not "we'll have him as leader but we don't think he'll ever get to number 10". No, "we'll put him in number 10 on Wednesday".

What is even the thought process? I'm really struggling here.

Mrs SI - not a Tory Party member but an often voter - thinks Johnson is the man we need to get Brexit done and dusted, despite reservations about his competency in many other areas of the post

 

[danny la rouge]

Some of them genuinely like him, seen more than a few comment that they see him as the only route to Brexit through the Tory party - they'll tolerate him as long as he delivers.

But it’s Boris Johnson. As opposed to another guy who isn’t.​

 

[cupid_stunt]

What is even the thought process? I'm really struggling here.

Basically, they just think he's the best bet for winning a GE, having won as London Mayor twice.

 

[brogdale]

But it’s Boris Johnson. As opposed to another guy who isn’t.​

Completely get the bemusement, but (as Will Davies had it in a recent LRB piece) perhaps the even more perplexing question is why such a selectorate should so determinedly privilege the candidate they perceive as the most solid guarantor of a 'no-deal' Brexit.

Britain’s next prime minister will be elected by the 160,000 members of the Conservative Party. According to YouGov, 59 per cent of these members voted for the Brexit Party in the recent European elections. The Tories have made numerous bad leadership appointments in the last twenty years (think of Iain Duncan Smith), but have corrected them once the pragmatic question of electoral success entered the equation. That pressure pushes the party towards the swing voter of the centre ground, the ‘Mondeo Man’ or ‘Worcester Woman’ fetishised by party pollsters in the 1990s and early 2000s. Is any of this still relevant? How much do Tory members even care about general elections, compared to their passion for a no deal Brexit? There are plenty of reasons not to elect Boris Johnson as prime minister, but much of the Conservative electorate is focused only on his one perceived virtue: his celebration of no deal.