Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
To be the hairdresser or stylist who makes him look like that, whilst having to make it look like he doesn't have access to either due to Corona restrictions 
PM Boris Johnson - monster thread for a monster twat
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
It's frighteningly clear that the great British public, abetted by the media, and to the relief of this decades governments especially, do not have any sort of attention span. Or ability to think
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
"We did everything we could"
No you fucking didn't.
This ten minute clip from Led by Donkeys is well worth a (re)watch showing the early response to the pandemic.
I'm in tears thanks.
Sadly classic Johnson though. He lies all the time, its a compunction, an addiction maybe? He lies when there is absolutely no need to and it only makes things worse that he is a rubbish liar. Even though he was trying to be as sincere as he is capable of he couldn't help himself and had to throw in a honking great bare faced lie.
Just (re)watched that Led by Donkeys video - Jesus, for coming out with "Operation Last Gasp" alone he should have had to resign if there was one shred of decency and humanity in this government, let alone presiding over more than 100000 people actually drawing their last breath.
stdP
One Swiss dinosaur in Polly Gosling's anorak hood
Narcissism sauce on top of a heavy serving of incompetence. He seems to be almost completely incapable of acknowledging the possibility of himself or his cronies making a mistake and his ego is constantly telling his mouth to say "it can't possibly be my fault". Facets of him know how badly he's fucked up and how out of depth he and his establishment are, but he also knows the consequences of admitting it would mean the end of him and practically everything this thoroughly inept administration have touched (as well as massive sociopolitical and economic fallout but that's only something for the little people).
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Yep me too, and they didn't even include the "take it on the chin" quote.
He's the Sam Allerdyce of the political world, just keeps on rolling no matter how shit he is.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
I've been thinking for a while that this might be one of the biggest barriers to getting people to change their vote, as to do so would, for some people at least, require them to accept some kind of responsibility for voting for the people who have done all this damage. They don't want to admit that to themselves (and others, to some extent, but votes are secret, at least...) and so they double-down instead.
/armchairpoppsychology
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
A graffiti artist whose thoughts echo mine, except I'd have added "with his mouth".
tim
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I'm sure other governments could have done better, but I'm not convinced that a Corbyn led one would have.
Would they have locked down earlier?
Would all those internal divisions within the Labour Party have suddenly healed, or would the Labour have used the crisis to further undermine Corbyn?
Would they have got Tory support for the types of centrist social support programmes that the Tories in government felt obliged to introduce?
And how much influence would Piers Corbyn have had on his brother's decisions?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
TBF I think there are at least a few reasons to suppose it would have. To answer your questions first - yes (at least in March), no (and they would have used it to attack him), no (he wouldn't have gotten any support, for anything) and none. In terms of things his government would have done, I think its a lot more likely that they'd have gone for a much more state-focused and traditional test, track and trace - ie: getting people to come to your house, test you and then do the follow up work. This would absolutely have resulted in fewer infections and therefore fewer deaths (and made the second lockdown less likely to happen). We'd also probably have had more support for people who self-isolate (making them more likely to do it) and clearer action against bosses who go after their workers against public health advice.
The other things that would have helped - broadband, better social housing etc - wouldn't have come around but seeing that they would be needed would probably have helped the government be seen as competent. A negative though would be that they'd get much more opposition from what is in our world called "lockdown skeptics", in fact social media would probably be full of "people" telling you to hate Corbitler's jackbooted thugs before they come into your house and murder you.
The biggest thing resulting in better outcomes though would be that a Corbyn government - or any Labour government - would not have received the absolute cover from the press and its MPs at Westminster that this lot have. When a government is on the wrong path, it has to be stopped or (as we saw in 1934-1940) it eventually runs into reality.
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
40% of voters want to re-elect this cunt, what were you expecting?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Those are slightly odd questions.
Of course we can't know, but yes, they probably would have locked down earlier. Corbyn would have been at the Sage meetings, for starters.
Once in lockdown, any divisions inside Labour would probably have been put on hold. That's what happens in such times.
And the Tories would have shut up about any support programmes, as Labour have done over Tory handling. Again, that's what happens at such times.
Meanwhile, Piers Corbyn is a climate change denying loon whose opinions on such matters Jeremy C has never followed. Why would he have started now? He wouldn't have.
How much difference would it have made? Who knows? Some of the most important factors involve the systematic underfunding of the NHS and other public services combined with the UK's massive social and economic inequality. A Labour govt would have suffered from those problems just like a tory govt.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
My guess is that the UK under Corbyn would have done slightly better than it has done under Johnson, but still pretty badly. And that Corbyn would have been crucified for it and quite possibly been forced out, as Johnson may well be, although with Johnson, it will also be for fucking up Brexit.
Humberto
bitch
I'd take any odds or chance that a Corbyn led Labour government would have been more accountable. They simply wouldn't have got away with so much bluster and deference. And there would have been an element of being held to their claims/promises and record, which just doesn't happen now. I also believe a Corbyn led Labour government would also have been more attentive to the needs of the various sectors of society and working people rather than just business/'the economy'. I mean it's not a high bar here, so I'm confident in saying that.
I also don't believe a Labour government would have just left things to fall onto the already overburdened shoulders of front-line workers with little care, as Boris Johnson's Conservative government have. I think they would have been more responsible in social distancing measures too, and made a better job of it because they would have been held properly to account as well as (I surmise) having something of a conscience and sense of society rather than the 'get Brexit done', 'dawn of a Golden Age' shite. The Tories promise to behave when they've been caught acting like evil cunts, yet they just carry on anyway with no shame or consequence. The two parties are held to different standards anyway by the establishment, however you want to define it. So yes, in my opinion, Labour would have done far better with the pandemic than Boris Johnson and company.
I also don't believe a Labour government would have just left things to fall onto the already overburdened shoulders of front-line workers with little care, as Boris Johnson's Conservative government have. I think they would have been more responsible in social distancing measures too, and made a better job of it because they would have been held properly to account as well as (I surmise) having something of a conscience and sense of society rather than the 'get Brexit done', 'dawn of a Golden Age' shite. The Tories promise to behave when they've been caught acting like evil cunts, yet they just carry on anyway with no shame or consequence. The two parties are held to different standards anyway by the establishment, however you want to define it. So yes, in my opinion, Labour would have done far better with the pandemic than Boris Johnson and company.
tim
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I can't see Johnson surviving beyond the end of the year, which means three years under Priti Patel or possibly Michael Gove.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I totally agree that they would have been more transparent. The secrecy surrounding Sage has been appalling. And yes, they wouldn't have seen this as an opportunity to grift for their mates in business.
I'm sceptical that the death toll would have been massively lower, though, because it's been high in so many places and because the pandemic has hit particularly hard in places with deep structural inequalities, which would still have been there.
I'm sceptical that the death toll would have been massively lower, though, because it's been high in so many places and because the pandemic has hit particularly hard in places with deep structural inequalities, which would still have been there.
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