bi0boy
Power User
You have to wonder what their risk assessment had to say about conducting the most risky part of a loop manoeuvre outwith the airfield. I am sure the AAIB report will give us all the details when it's released.
Plane crashes onto A27 at Shoreham Air Show
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You have to wonder what their risk assessment had to say about conducting the most risky part of a loop manoeuvre outwith the airfield. I am sure the AAIB report will give us all the details when it's released.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Airframes have a fatigue life, some components are time limited and others are cycle limited. The Hunter, in common with many other aircraft of its era, was probably massively over-engineered as the computational techniques to make it 'just strong enough' didn't exist at the time of its design.
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Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
What's the difference between "time limited" and "cycle limited" then, DownwardDog ?
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
We don't need a report to know that the manoeuvre took place over an area where a crash would most likely lead to fatalities - because it clearly did. Either the pilot did the manoeuvre where he shouldn't, or he had been given the all clear to do so. Either way it was a tragic decision.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
He will have a few lawsuits against him if he recovers. Not to mention a rather guilty conscience.
So you've concluded it was pilot error?
bi0boy
Power User
Really? So you know for sure it wasn't entirely due to a fault with the plane with the pilot doing the best he could in the circumstances?
The popular fascination that people have with military aircraft which have only been designed to kill and maim and destroy leaves me cold. Where does it come from?
This tragic 'accident' - 'incident' is very sad indeed for all concerned, but it really is the moment for the organisers to reconsider the locations of any future events - it cant be too difficult to find seaside locations where the flying bombs can play their games over the oceans rather than above people's residences and traffic routes.
This tragic 'accident' - 'incident' is very sad indeed for all concerned, but it really is the moment for the organisers to reconsider the locations of any future events - it cant be too difficult to find seaside locations where the flying bombs can play their games over the oceans rather than above people's residences and traffic routes.
aqua
made of cheese and gin
He will have had his flying suit on though won't he? So some protection from fire. Belted into a flying seat gives a lot of protection and then able to get out.
Unlike the people sat in their cars who got (from looking at the footage) consumed by a massive ball of fire with no notice at all.
aqua
made of cheese and gin
Or there was an error which meant the manoeuvre took place where it should away from the road but either pilot or plane error meant it drifted.
Let's not speculate until we know more. There was a very terrible accident. And as we are not the pilot, nor the event organisers, we don't know what was or wasn't the case.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Really? So you know for sure it wasn't entirely due to a fault with the plane with the pilot doing the best he could in the circumstances?
I'm sure he was doing all he could, and the fact the plane belly flopped onto the road just before it impacted *suggests* that he was trying desperately to get the nose up. He is ex RAF and flies commercial airliners, so I'm pretty sure he was well capable.
But a fault with the plane should surely be taken into account when assessing risk?
"If it has an mechanical failure and can't complete the manoeuvre, what risks are there to those on the ground?"
So yes, I'm speculating and perhaps I shouldn't, but that's a question I'd be asking at some point if my relative had been out for a drive on a Saturday afternoon and had been killed by that jet.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
So we've no idea whether it was pilot error or mechanical failure yet, but you've come to this conclusion?
I'm sure there must be plenty of risk assessment to be able to put on such a show.
Anyway, horrific to see. Thoughts to all involved
Looby
Well-Known Member
I agree, I hate it. Ooh look a massive bomber! [emoji20] People love it though, the town centre will have been heaving here all weekend, the traffic is horrendous. It's pissing down today so it'll be a quieter afternoon with a limited air bastards timetable.
I live in Bournemouth and we used to have an airshow at the airport. Although there are busy roads around there, it's also lots of farmland and fields so seemed less risky.
Now we have the fucking Air Festival in the town centre. This is where the red arrows crash happened a few years ago. He managed to crash into fields but he was very close to a busy dual carriageway.
Tricky manoeuvres are done over the sea but I worked in an office block near the clifftop until last year and the planes were so low in a very built up, busy area that if something went wrong it would be catastrophic.
So so sad for all involved and really fucking scary for those poor people on that road. [emoji20]
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Geri
wasn't born to follow
He will have had his flying suit on though won't he? So some protection from fire. Belted into a flying seat gives a lot of protection and then able to get out.
Unlike the people sat in their cars who got (from looking at the footage) consumed by a massive ball of fire with no notice at all.
Two were cyclists apparently.
aqua
made of cheese and gin
*shudder*
Looby
Well-Known Member
Christ. [emoji20]
I've been across that road at exactly that point on my bike (but a few years ago), on my way from Shoreham-by-Sea station to a route on the South Downs. I should imagine quite a few use that way for that as it is the access from the bridge.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Organisers decided to cancel today's show, yesterday.
Looby
Well-Known Member
Sorry, I meant the Bournemouth one. That's on this weekend too.
The plane was 50 plus years old but how old was the pilot to withstand those G forces? Why wasn't the loop done over the sea anyway like at Eastbourne, to attempt that near the crowd was misjudged to say the least. If the plane had come done a couple of hundred metres further along the casualties in the crowd would have been massive.
Too many accidents, there have been needless deaths at various shows, ban the militaristic wankfest.
Too many accidents, there have been needless deaths at various shows, ban the militaristic wankfest.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
If there are no ex-military planes, it'll be civvie planes falling out of the sky and killing people at airshows. You might assume that'd be "safer", having mostly prop-driven planes crashing into people, but exploding fuel tanks from either a jet or a prop plane will burn you just as dead.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That's pretty much a function of technical innovation ramping up in times of (hot or cold) conflict.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
And one of the cars was a wedding limo.
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