Nicola Bulley Missing
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kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Probably undetected.
Cid
Proper break this time
You're trying to find easy answers where there aren't any. And the descriptions of some of the patterns and behaviours involved seem to be completely outside your experience. You're asking people to explain decisions at the lowest points of a life, and some of that is coming from people's own experiences of the lowest points of their lives, though I think you're miles off from an academic perspective too. It is, as kabbes pointed out, something you 'just don't get', and it's not magically going to click through a post on here.
TLDR just leave it.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
I'm sure Duncan2 is pished today though, he has a high word count that is uncharacteristic for him. Go to sleep Duncan2.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Look. I know what am talking about where suicide is concerned,, and I therefore know that kabbes knows what he's talking about. Yet you've simply defied his attempts to introduce a bit of knowledge and nuance into a discussion around suicide issues, and doubled down with clodhopping, ignorant responses to someone else talking about suicide.
It's not that you're completely and utterly wrong - it is that you persist in insisting that you are not.
And you are wrong.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I didn't intend to end up posting on this thread, because I am also finding the rampant speculation and drawing of broad conclusions from tiny amounts of information rather uncomfortable.
But I couldn't walk by on the other side regarding the comments relating to suicide.
But I couldn't walk by on the other side regarding the comments relating to suicide.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Absolutely no fucking idea whatsoever what the police think they've achieved by stating NB had alcohol problems and concerns regarding early menopause.
A shit-fisted attempt to deflect attention from their own incompetence perhaps. It seems to have worked though as most of the speculation is now about suicide, including on this thread.
A shit-fisted attempt to deflect attention from their own incompetence perhaps. It seems to have worked though as most of the speculation is now about suicide, including on this thread.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
Agree with you Spymaster
Plenty criticism today of the police "destroying" Nicola's reputation by releasing an exceptional amount of alleged data about her alleged struggles with alcohol abd menopause.
"A former detective has said that Lancashire Police have "completely destroyed" Nicola Bulley’s reputation by revealing her struggles with alcohol."
"Martyn Underhill told Sky News that he had never "seen such a level of detail" released in a missing persons case and added that one had to ask why officers were releasing it now."
"Ms Bulley has been missing since 27 January after vanishing when she took her dog for a walk by the River Wyre in Lancashire."
"Speaking to Sky's Kay Burley, Mr Underhill, who was a detective involved in the Sarah Payne case, said he was "confused" by Lancashire Police's strategy."
"You can understand why some people are saying it's victim blaming to protect their own reputation, " he said."
"I can't see how it progresses the case any further forward now we're three weeks in, to be frank."
news.sky.com
What it does do is to shift the focus somewhat and takes it off the police and their lack of progress...and possibe errors of judgement.
Plenty criticism today of the police "destroying" Nicola's reputation by releasing an exceptional amount of alleged data about her alleged struggles with alcohol abd menopause.
"A former detective has said that Lancashire Police have "completely destroyed" Nicola Bulley’s reputation by revealing her struggles with alcohol."
"Martyn Underhill told Sky News that he had never "seen such a level of detail" released in a missing persons case and added that one had to ask why officers were releasing it now."
"Ms Bulley has been missing since 27 January after vanishing when she took her dog for a walk by the River Wyre in Lancashire."
"Speaking to Sky's Kay Burley, Mr Underhill, who was a detective involved in the Sarah Payne case, said he was "confused" by Lancashire Police's strategy."
"You can understand why some people are saying it's victim blaming to protect their own reputation, " he said."
"I can't see how it progresses the case any further forward now we're three weeks in, to be frank."
Nicola Bulley's reputation 'destroyed' by police, says ex-detective
Lancashire Police released a statement saying Ms Bulley had suffered "significant issues" with alcohol brought on by her "struggles with the menopause" after initially refusing to confirm why she was classed as high risk and vulnerable.
news.sky.com
What it does do is to shift the focus somewhat and takes it off the police and their lack of progress...and possibe errors of judgement.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
The police released too little info to start with, and too much info yesterday.
If they'd just said she was vulnerable at the beginning, it wouldn't all have kicked off.
If they'd just said she was vulnerable at the beginning, it wouldn't all have kicked off.
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
They could argue that they have given this update to be completely transparent about why Nicola was classed as vulnerable. And also because it will generate more media.
Not my defence, but a defence I guess.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
actually, they did say she was vulnerable at the beginning, just very vaguely so it didn't garner much attention.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
Probably right....and doing so now really isnt helpful to anyone. Bar the police.
They apparently knew because they had sent a police car and care team to the house in mid January to the house after a call to them.
Just to add..the friends all said what a great mum she was and that she had no issues.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
If they did say that, they they did a good job of covering it up by talking about slipping and falling while trying to get a dog's ball and all sorts of other ludicrous nonsense which had the effect of making the disappearance seem weirdly inexplicable and led to nationwide interest.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
Did they? I didn't read that anywhere. Everything said about her was that she was in good spirits and planning play dates for her children.
Bingoman
Well-Known Member
Ah ok I thought the police were told later about her problems, if so why did the police realise this info in the first place
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
Good question.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
both are plausible, shedloads of people are officially 'vulnerable' - it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't basically okay. It could just be there on one of various medications.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Completely unnecessary but allows them to hide any future discoveries and associated failures on their part behind a crazy irrational woman narrative.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
They stated clearly in the press conference that her partner told them about her vulnerabilities when first contacting them to report her missing.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
Liked but not for what they've done.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
She can be vulnerable and be in good spirits and managing to sort stuff for her kids.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Why? Should it only be spoken of in hushed tones in private, or just swept under the 'mental health' umbrella? Not a dig, genuinely wonder why do you think that, is it really any different to mentining the alcohol or anything else?
TBH I expect some of the reason for announcing what they did is to try and slow the absolute shitty loon speculation on the internet by giving some background to why they think no third party involvement is the most likely outcome.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Ditto. This is key, isn’t it.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
It's complicated though, should the family have a say on what gets made public? Even if the police think it might help the investigation? And even if in some other cases the family might be under suspicion for having some involvement? The police are acting on behalf of the missing person really, not the family.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
How does mentioning menopause as a previous cause of her ongoing alcohol problems help with that? It seems the whole situation with the speculation has been caused by the police desperately avoiding any allusion to the "s" word. That's what has been "spoken of in hushed tones in private, or just swept under the 'mental health' umbrella."
They could have just said she was at risk of harming herself from the start, like the police do in lots of missing person appeals.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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