Nick Cohen and the Observer
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Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Whoa. He has NOT apologised. This is so messed up.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Him blaming his drink problem speaks volumes...
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
That'd be the same Hadley Freeman who's been defending Woody Allen for years, I assume. One of the few good decisions the Graun's made in recent years was canning her. Seems like a dreadful person and was always a genuinely terrible feature writer - massively self-referential, loads of "I" and personal ego stroking in her interviews.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
gives high functioning alcoholics a bad name when people who can't hold their drink whine about it
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tanya seems to be assuming that yer man had a personality worth having before the drink. some people say in vino veritas. i say, by contrast, that drinking distorts your character so that some things which might otherwise pass without notice become exaggerated but there's nothing there that wasn't there without the addition of alcohol
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Not quite the point I was making.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
replies never are. otherwise there'd be no point in posting them.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I don't know what world that makes sense on but ok...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's really very simple. there is no point me telling you the point you made. if discussion was other posters repeating back to you the point you made there'd be er no point in it. so my reply is developed from you said in your post. i don't understand why you find this basic point so very difficult to comprehend.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Oh I get that I just didn't see how your post added much to mine.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
given the exchange we've just had i'm not surprised.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Thank you for adding to the unrelenting joy in the world.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
we've both succeeded in that across the boards todayThank you for adding to the unrelenting joy in the world.
ska invita
back on the other side
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((((Keanu Reeves))))
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
That forty-odd page thread hasn't put me off horizontally striped tops. This, however may have done.
Also (unrelated to sartorial choices)... isn't Freeman a rampant terf?
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
American scientist Rebecca Watson is one of the many women who alleges Cohen assaulted and harassed her.
Rebecca Watson on twitter
Hadley Freeman has now deleted her lie about Cohen's non-existent apology.
Rebecca Watson on twitter
Hadley Freeman has now deleted her lie about Cohen's non-existent apology.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
'it was the putinists and the trans lovers out to get me, except when I was pissed.' for fucks sake.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
shortly after she had completely misrepresented Amia Srinivasan's argument in an interview, where she claimed the exact opposite of what AS said. And walked out of the interview rather than attempting to challenge her. Almost as if she were a shit journalist who just has an English degree, some opinions and a massive sense of entitlement.Yes she cited a so-called "culture of fear" (at the Guardian) against gender critics as her reason for moving to the famously fluffy/unbiased Murdoch press.
not-bono-ever
meh
Being an enthusiastic amateur piss artist or a full blown card carrying raging alko monster isn’t much of defence for much tbh.
Saying that, the majority of my scrapes with authority have been when leathered. Still my own doing tho
Saying that, the majority of my scrapes with authority have been when leathered. Still my own doing tho
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
There's an obvious solution if you physically can't keep your hands to yourself when you've had a few (assuming this lack of conscious motor control is a reality rather than a pretense for a moment) - don't go to parties and drink heavily. If you can't drink responsibly then fair enough, you can still get plastered while staying away from places where you might be tempted to grope people. If you can manage to stay sober then it's even easier – go to the party and don't drink.
There's a lot of excuse-making from Cohen types which essentially treats a solveable issue as though it's some sort of impossible situation comprising an ineffable force of nature, with the great unspoken being "I wanna drink heavily and have fun (ie. grope people)".
There's a lot of excuse-making from Cohen types which essentially treats a solveable issue as though it's some sort of impossible situation comprising an ineffable force of nature, with the great unspoken being "I wanna drink heavily and have fun (ie. grope people)".
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Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Btw thanks steveseagull for starting this thread and posting all these updates.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
We all know that one person who always says sorry for the shit they do or say when drunk, but who is never sorry enough to change their behaviour or slow down with their drinking. Sorry just becomes a reminder that this person doesn't care about the consequences of their actions. The meaning of sorry ends up being completely backwards.
A phrase I used to use a lot back when I spent more time around drinkers was, 'don't apologise for something you're going to keep doing'.
But people who don't even apologise, or even pretend to apologise, until the consequences of their actions affect them for once; we know those people as well. I hope we've all learned to avoid them, and to warn others about them every chance we get.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Indeed
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yellow bar at the top should read, 'this article has aged like milk'.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
The 'I was an alcoholic' non-apology could perhaps be construed as an attempt to misguide people into thinking he had a few too many and got a bit handsy in the pub after work - I mean, media folk, what are they like, amiright? - but it conveniently overlooks the situation Lucy Single has previously described, ie being groped by him by the photocopier, so at work, in the office, not in a social setting with colleagues.
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