National Action to be proscribed as a "Terrorist Organisation"

[Magnus McGinty]

I thought it transpired that he wasn’t actually a member. Or perhaps that was simply their denials.

 

[souljacker]

Think I bought a copy of the AC on a 3.5” floppy disc along with some extra levels for Doom from a stall down the boot sale. Probably still sat in a box in the attic somewhere, don’t tell the rozzers.

I bought mine from Waterstones in town.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

It wasn't a random member of the public it was a Sikh bloke in a racist attack.

Fair enough (and yes I got the shop wrong chilango ).

The point still stands. The guy was chosen because of his ethnicity and not because of his political beliefs or any prior relationship/ dealings with his attacker.

So my argument is that the selection process and level of violence is entirely different from that used by anti-fascists.

 

[chilango]

Fair enough (and yes I got the shop wrong chilango ).

The point still stands. The guy was chosen because of his ethnicity and not because of his political beliefs or any prior relationship/ dealings with his attacker.

So my argument is that the selection process and level of violence is entirely different from that used by anti-fascists.

I only mentioned it as its my Mum's local Tesco and I've been in there many a time....

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I only mentioned it as its my Mum's local Tesco and I've been in there many a time....

Fair enough -Horrible thing to happen in your local shop...

 

[chilango]

Fair enough -Horrible thing to happen in your local shop...

Yeah. Also pretty unexpected. Without going into the microgeography of North East Wales there are other more "likely" Tesco's for this to have happened in..

But no matter. Don't wish to derail any further with my local Nazis for local people type withering

 

[butchersapron]

Fair enough -Horrible thing to happen in your local shop...

Shh, you'll get mad magnus macginty and the white w/c of mold onto you.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

There’s no such thing as the white working class, butchers.

 

[agricola]

I only mentioned it as its my Mum's local Tesco and I've been in there many a time....

Thank God it didn't happen in Hulsons.

 

[M Testa]

supermarket nazi - zack davies. they shit it and denied he was a supporter. and ryan fleming has been jailed x2 for sex offences. what is it about the uk far right that rapists and child molesters find so attractive - leigh macmillan, pete gillet ... ?

 

[Theisticle]

IIRC, Zack Davies had National Action leaflets in his house when the police raided it. The NA leadership has largely denied his links but then would use his actions in propaganda.

In the white man march in Liverpool in 2015, more senior members of NA were trying to recruit Polish neo-Nazis to come along and fight anti-fascists and police. There’s a reason why people like Wayne Bell/Jarvis are now in prison for public disorder.

MMA was a big part of their recruitment efforts - just look up MAC Legion/Western Spring training camps. It’s one part ‘self-defence’ and the other ideological. I wish the press didn’t ridicule it. They are violent racists training for race war.

 

[DaveCinzano]

So that's...

October 2014 (anti-semitic tweet to Luciana Berger - August 2014)

• Garron Helm, 21, from Litherland - 4 weeks' gaol

November 2014 (arrests but no prosecution - vandalism to Luciana Berger's office)

• 10 x NA members arrested

June 2015 conviction (attempted murder of Sarandev Bhambra - January 2015)

• Zack Davies, 26, from Mold - life in prison, min. 14 years

October 2016 conviction (for racial harassment - May 2016 York rally)

• Chad Williams-Allen, 25, from West Bromwich - fined £525 (£400 + £85 costs + £40 statutory surcharge)

[Arrested but not prosecuted]

• 4 x National Action

July 2017 conviction (sexual activity with a child - 2013)

• Ryan Fleming, 26, from Horsforth

June 2018 convictions (for inciting racial hatred - July 2016 Aston University stickering)

• Chad Williams-Allen, 26, from West Bromwich
• Gary Jack, 22, from Shard End
• Alexander Deakin [Unknown (1)], 23, ‘key influencer and organiser’
• Dean Lloyd [Unknown (2)], 26

[Acquitted]

• [Fifth man]

March 2018 convictions (for membership of a proscribed organisation, possession of nawty docs - early September 2017 raids)

• Mikko Vehvilainen, 34, (lance-)corporal in 2bn Royal Anglian Regiment, recruiter, from Llansilin
• Alexander Deakin, 24, from Birmingham, Midlands regional organiser

[Acquitted]

• Mark Barrett, 25, private in 2bn Royal Anglian Regiment

[Not prosecuted]

• Soldier (3), 24, from Ipswich, knew Vehvilainen
• Soldier (4), 24, from Northampton, knew Vehvilainen

July 2018 convictions (Rosie Cooper murder plot/terrorism/membership offences - July 2017 pub meeting ‘whistleblower’/late September 2017 raids)

• Christopher Lythgoe, 32, from Warrington, ‘leader’
• Matthew Hankinson, 24, from Newton-le-Willows
• Jack Renshaw, 23, from Skelmersdale [also racial incitement over March/April 2016 speeches]

[Acquitted]

• Garron Helm, 24, from Seaforth

[Failed to reach a verdict]

• Andrew Clarke, 33, from Warrington
• Michal Trubini, 35, from Warrington
• Renshaw [on membership]

[Not prosecuted]

• (At least) 5 x others [presumably including Ben Raymond & Alex Davies?]

November 2018 convictions (terrorism/membership offences - January 2018 raids)

• Adam Thomas, 22, from Banbury
• Claudia Patatas, 38, from Banbury
• Daniel Bogunovic, 27, from Leicester, ‘leading figure in Midlands chapter’
• Darren Fletcher, 28, of Wednesfield (guilty plea)
• Joel Wilmore, 24, of Stockport (guilty plea)
• Nathan Pryke, 26, of March (guilty plea)

(Above updated 16/11/18)

I'm curious why Hope Not Hate sorry, ‘HOPE not hate’ ( ) has been so restrained (relatively speaking) about the July 2018 convictions, seeing as it was not previously shy in stating how it was its snitch wot dunnit?

And why has it stripped the website of some of its most detailed NA features (e.g. this one)? And purged virtually everything mentioning Christopher Lythgoe?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Nice of the Beeb to so proficiently label one of the hand-out photos:


Looks like a Klan poster in a frame rather than a flag, and the “anarchist's book”? That would be Troy Southgate's National Anarchism - A Reader.

Talking of which:



From Florida, April 2018.

See here.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Talking of which:

View attachment 152629

From Florida, April 2018.

See here.

Are my eyes playing tricks or is that a black bloke at the back in the middle?

 

[likesfish]

It wasn't a random member of the public it was a Sikh bloke in a racist attack.

The 4 lions bit it is the racist loon thought he was a Muslim not that stabbing a random Muslim is any better just shows the actual intelligence of your would-be stormtrooper for the white race. Their morons and their ability to take power in the country is zero murdering a few people they could probably do that though

 

[19force8]

Are my eyes playing tricks or is that a black bloke at the back in the middle?

You mean the one giving the White Power hand sign?

Cloudy day, anorak hood? Genuinely difficult to know given how bizarre the American right is.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Are my eyes playing tricks or is that a black bloke at the back in the middle?

That's ‘Tiny’ Toese from Patriot Prayer, and a Proud Boy to boot.

 

[Theisticle]

Did anyone watch the Dispatches special on NA and HOPE not Hate? I’m glad they prevented another murder plot but it left me really unsettled. The snitch never really had his ideology challenged, and clearly thought they were a ‘good bunch of lads who went too far’ in his answers. He knew how extreme their views were but never apologised or sought to understand it. I appreciate that it takes time to unlearn but I think HnH made a mistake by hiring him full-time. I find that troubling tbh.

I don’t like Matthew Collins. There’s just something about him which just screams white Maajid Nawaz

 

[Cheesepig3]

Yeah. Also pretty unexpected. Without going into the microgeography of North East Wales there are other more "likely" Tesco's for this to have happened in..

But no matter. Don't wish to derail any further with my local Nazis for local people type withering

To be accurate, the more likely shops in NE Wales are mostly Spar.

 

[Friedrich986]

if the EU/Globalists had their way, they'd prob ban groups like UKIP and BNP too

 

[Celyn]

if the EU/Globalists had their way, they'd prob ban groups like UKIP and BNP too

Exactly who are these "EU/Globalists"?

You seem not to like them.

 

[Celyn]

if the EU/Globalists had their way, they'd prob ban groups like UKIP and BNP too

Oh dear, poor old UKIP, eh? Still, Nigel Farage is rich and quite happy now.

BNP? Is that lot still around?

 

[Friedrich986]

the BNP is basically just a symobolic term for any kind of group labelled 'far right' by the MSM

as for Nigel, good on him for being fabulously rich - doubt he's any richer than the average Labour or LibDem MP's , so why aren't you complaining about them too..?

 

[Pickman's model]

the BNP is basically just a symobolic term for any kind of group labelled 'far right' by the MSM

as for Nigel, good on him for being fabulously rich - doubt he's any richer than the average Labour or LibDem MP's , so why aren't you complaining about them too..?

No, the BNP is the British national party founded by John tyndall in the 1980s. It's not some sort of catch-all esp when bnp has declined so precipitously

 

[Friedrich986]

most people know what the BNP generally means , hence it's become a term in itself, regardless of whether it refers to the actual BNP itself or not

 

[The39thStep]

if the EU/Globalists had their way, they'd prob ban groups like UKIP and BNP too

Funnily enough rather than them being banned across Europe there has been a rise in populist and far right parties aside from the UK where the present polls have UKIP around 7% and still in lost deposit land.

 

[Friedrich986]

Parties perhaps are a little on the thin side, but the sentiment is there - ie. anti-PC alt-right semi-nationalist types, many in the UK , just no real party to vote for

 

[Pickman's model]

Parties perhaps are a little on the thin side, but the sentiment is there - ie. anti-PC alt-right semi-nationalist types, many in the UK , just no real party to vote for

There are lots of real parties to vote for, you can see a list on the electoral commission website

 

[Friedrich986]

most of those don't field many candidates if any

 

[chilango]

... the average Labour or LibDem MP's , so why aren't you complaining about them too..?

I doubt you'll find a forum on the internet anywhere that is more anti-LibDem than here tbh.