National Action to be proscribed as a "Terrorist Organisation"

[M Testa]

this ...

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[ddraig]

guilty Men jailed for neo-Nazi group membership
Pipe bomb teenager admits terror offence

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Another trial of people accused of continued membership. They named their baby ‘Adolf’.

British couple named baby after Adolf Hitler, court hears

 

[19force8]

Another trial of people accused of continued membership. They named their baby ‘Adolf’.

British couple named baby after Adolf Hitler, court hears

As if it the surname "Patatas" wasn't enough of a cross to bear.

Also, is she wearing Hammer of Thor earrings?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Adolf Potato.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Not been following this, but:

 

[DaveCinzano]

Not been following this, but:

Nice of the Beeb to so proficiently label one of the hand-out photos:

Adam Thomas described this image of him posing in front of a KKK flag with a knife and and an anarchist's book as "a bit of silliness"

Looks like a Klan poster in a frame rather than a flag, and the “anarchist's book”? That would be Troy Southgate's National Anarchism - A Reader.

 

[DaveCinzano]

The Nazi Julian Lennon and Fascist Linda McCartney got sent down, along with a leading regional member, with a further three pleading guilty to membership of National Action:

Neo-Nazi couple found guilty of membership of banned terror group

Reporting restrictions have been lifted on the conviction in March of a soldier and a regional organiser (the ‘caught-in-the-cupboard’ chap), plus the acquittal of a second soldier and the charging but non-prosecution of a third and a fourth:

British soldier recruited for far-right group while in army

 

[ddraig]

Good round up here, long read
The new parents and UK's neo-Nazi terror threat

 

[DaveCinzano]

So that's...

October 2014 (anti-semitic tweet to Luciana Berger - August 2014)

• Garron Helm, 21, from Litherland - 4 weeks' gaol

November 2014 (arrests but no prosecution - vandalism to Luciana Berger's office)

• 10 x NA members arrested

June 2015 conviction (attempted murder of Sarandev Bhambra - January 2015)

• Zack Davies, 26, from Mold - life in prison, min. 14 years

October 2016 conviction (for racial harassment - May 2016 York rally)

• Chad Williams-Allen, 25, from West Bromwich - fined £525 (£400 + £85 costs + £40 statutory surcharge)

[Arrested but not prosecuted]

• 4 x National Action

July 2017 conviction (sexual activity with a child - 2013)

• Ryan Fleming, 26, from Horsforth

June 2018 convictions (for inciting racial hatred - July 2016 Aston University stickering)

• Chad Williams-Allen, 26, from West Bromwich
• Gary Jack, 22, from Shard End
• Alexander Deakin [Unknown (1)], 23, ‘key influencer and organiser’
• Dean Lloyd [Unknown (2)], 26

[Acquitted]

• [Fifth man]

March 2018 convictions (for membership of a proscribed organisation, possession of nawty docs - September 2017 raids)

• Mikko Vehvilainen, 34, (lance-)corporal in 2bn Royal Anglian Regiment, recruiter, from Llansilin
• Alexander Deakin, 24, from Birmingham, Midlands regional organiser

[Acquitted]

• Mark Barrett, 25, private in 2bn Royal Anglian Regiment

[Not prosecuted]

• Soldier (3), 24, from Ipswich, knew Vehvilainen
• Soldier (4), 24, from Northampton, knew Vehvilainen

July 2018 convictions (Rosie Cooper murder plot/terrorism/membership offences - July 2017 pub meeting ‘whistleblower’)

• Christopher Lythgoe, 32, from Warrington, ‘leader’
• Matthew Hankinson, 24, from Newton-le-Willows
• Jack Renshaw, 23, from Skelmersdale [also racial incitement over March/April 2016 speeches]

[Acquitted]

• Garron Helm, 24, from Seaforth

[Failed to reach a verdict]

• Andrew Clarke, 33, from Warrington
• Michal Trubini, 35, from Warrington
• Renshaw [on membership]

November 2018 convictions (terrorism/membership offences - January 2018 raids)

• Adam Thomas, 22, from Banbury
• Claudia Patatas, 38, from Banbury
• Daniel Bogunovic, 27, from Leicester, ‘leading figure in Midlands chapter’
• Darren Fletcher, 28, of Wednesfield (guilty plea)
• Joel Wilmore, 24, of Stockport (guilty plea)
• Nathan Pryke, 26, of March (guilty plea)

(Updated 13/11/18)

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Not that I’m defending them but there’s some pretty weak arguments for ‘terrorism’ coming from the state here. Most of them seem like no-mark fantasist keyboard warriors in the bedroom they grew up in.

 

[ddraig]

Not that I’m defending them but there’s some pretty weak arguments for ‘terrorism’ coming from the state here. Most of them seem like no-mark fantasist keyboard warriors in the bedroom they grew up in.

stockpiling weapons and going on about and planning on killing people isn't terrorism??
and they went further than their bedrooms, surely even you can see that?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

stockpiling weapons and going on about and planning on killing people isn't terrorism??
and they went further than their bedrooms, surely even you can see that?

You actually have to terrorise people rather than wank off about it.
What I worry about (and this is constantly mentioned) is when they lump progressive groups into the same and we get groups banned. It’s already happening with PayPal.

 

[Nylock]

So counter terrorism ops should be reactive instead of proactive?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Had they planned an atrocity? It doesn’t seem clear. They’ve been jailed for membership of a group that hadn’t committed an act of terrorism.
I’m not defending these knuckle dragging cunts but let’s not place them on some undeserved pedestal either.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Reading those articles it goes well beyond violent wank fantasies though doesn't it? They worked out strategies (including getting members in the armed forces, something it appears they had begun to work towards given that two more members tried to join), an arsenal of weapons, etc.

Having said that, this seems like a very odd and vague crime: 'possessing documents likely to be useful to a person preparing to commit an act of terrorism'. Could be anything couldn't it? A Haynes manual for a 2007 Fiat Punto if you're wanting to mow down some pedestrians and your starter motor is on the blink.

 

[bellaozzydog]

It all feels a bit three lions

 

[Shechemite]

Four lions

 

[Jon-of-arc]

It feels a bit three lions

I was thinking that, with their team building weekend where one of them got lost and had to sleep in a phone box.

 

[Spymaster]

You actually have to terrorise people rather than wank off about it.

No you don't. Planning, promoting, or preparing, is enough, and these cunts were definitely doing all that.

 

[DotCommunist]

'possessing documents likely to be useful to a person preparing to commit an act of terrorism

tbh I think most of us had a copy of jolly roger/anarchist cookbook BITD and I have 'towards a citizen militia' lurking on a hard drive somewehere.

I imagine you need more than just ownership of naughty books though, the surrounding evidence of organizing for race war attacks etc

not much more though

 

[Dogsauce]

tbh I think most of us had a copy of jolly roger/anarchist cookbook BITD and I have 'towards a citizen militia' lurking on a hard drive somewehere.

I imagine you need more than just ownership of naughty books though, the surrounding evidence of organizing for race war attacks etc

not much more though

Think I bought a copy of the AC on a 3.5” floppy disc along with some extra levels for Doom from a stall down the boot sale. Probably still sat in a box in the attic somewhere, don’t tell the rozzers.

 

[Spymaster]

Had they planned an atrocity? It doesn’t seem clear. They’ve been jailed for membership of a group that hadn’t committed an act of terrorism.
I’m not defending these knuckle dragging cunts but let’s not place them on some undeserved pedestal either.

See my last post. It's a bit odd that you consider that declaring these arseholes 'terrorists' to be placing them on some kind of pedestal.

It's not a badge of honour and I doubt that they or anyone else view it as such.

 

[19force8]

Think I bought a copy of the AC on a 3.5” floppy disc along with some extra levels for Doom from a stall down the boot sale. Probably still sat in a box in the attic somewhere, don’t tell the rozzers.

Be careful, some levels of Doom will get you a couple of years each.

 

[DotCommunist]

banned in germany for all its nazi imagery....no wait, that was Wolfenstein

 

[19force8]

banned in germany for all its nazi imagery....no wait, that was Wolfenstein

Off to see Overlord this afternoon.

 

[likesfish]

At some point stockpiling weapons getting together with fellow Nazis to recruit more nazis talking about targets talking about explosives crosses the line and I'd rather they got jumped on now before the bodies pile up.
If your stockpiling weapons and posing with them you deserve to have special branch take an intrest

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Also people seem to have forgotten about the NA member who chopped up a random member of the public in a Spar shop in Wales?

I get what Magnus is saying about the “extremism” agenda but I think most people can tell the difference between that and what Antifa etc do.

 

[Spymaster]

Also people seem to have forgotten about the NA member who chopped up a random member of the public in a Spar shop in Wales?

It wasn't a random member of the public it was a Sikh bloke in a racist attack.

 

[chilango]

It was also not in a Spar but in a large Tesco Superstore in the middle of a small market town (Mold).