NA have made a statement which intimates that they might try a legal challenge to the proscription. Christ knows who'd represent them but they might win.
National Action to be proscribed as a "Terrorist Organisation"
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NA have made a statement which intimates that they might try a legal challenge to the proscription. Christ knows who'd represent them but they might win.
How do they do that if they're proscribed?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
There are loads of legal firms that would have no problem representing the far right, providing they thought they had a legal case. NA could get some more publicity from it.
Fozzie Bear
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There seems to be an appeal process which is detailed in section 3 of this:
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN00815/SN00815.pdf
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
'I wouldn't worry about mr apron; he's been desperate to get my attention ... sometimes he stops and harrasses other posters - one of whom has had to take a break from posting here because of his incessant bullying.'
thatchers dustbin has been allowed to distribute abuse and hostility carte blanche which causes people to withdraw from posting or just leave U75 altogether. I have met some excellent people from off here but Bitches Condom is a self important pub bore who needs to boil his shorts and drown in the broth.
thatchers dustbin has been allowed to distribute abuse and hostility carte blanche which causes people to withdraw from posting or just leave U75 altogether. I have met some excellent people from off here but Bitches Condom is a self important pub bore who needs to boil his shorts and drown in the broth.
You're siding with that obsessive crank just to have a dig at someone?
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
You would hope that militant anti-fascists would be able to handle a bit of robust online discussion?
Gareth Pierce would represent them and I personally would not be one bit surprised if she did. She would see this, I reckon as the thin end of wedge. A wedge that would be used in turn against progressive forces.
I heard her say as much at a Public Meeting in west Belfast in (I think) 1999.
She was asked, by an eternally grateful (to her) Republican ex-Prisoner as I recall, would she represent the 'rights' the BNP or a Nazi organisation. She replied 'Absolutely. Either we all have Civil Rights or nobody does'.
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I'm not going to second guess Gareth Piercebridge so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
The problem for NA in a legal challenge is that in order to succeed they'll have to expose themselves as what they are. Rather than a nationalist fifth column they'll have to argue that they're basically far-right situationists, completely destroying any mystique they may have accumulated in the minds of the gullible.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Can't see how they would want to put forward a position that they are a nationalist fifth column, Mosley argued quite the opposite when they introduced internment for the BUF. The legal challenge would be whether or not they are engaged with , support or advocate terrorism. How would they argue the far right situationalist case that you mention?
If you can be bothered to wade through their stuff then they try to present as a guerilla army in training. That's exactly what'll get them proscribed. So they'd have to argue that all the wilderness retreats, combat training etc was part of an elaborate show, a propaganda put on.
If not comedy.
A bunch of dicks? That should not be a proscribable offence
Exactly.
rekil
to menny cranks
Could they go for the "airsoft team" defence or something.
Hungarian nazi Istvan Gyorkos got arrested a couple of months ago. His boys like sneaking around abandoned buildings with their airsoft gear. Not much better at boxing though.
Hungarian nazi Istvan Gyorkos got arrested a couple of months ago. His boys like sneaking around abandoned buildings with their airsoft gear. Not much better at boxing though.
butchersapron
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DaveCinzano
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Casually Red
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I really don't think there's any useful comparison . The IRA in the 1918 21 period and the 71 onwards period pretty much emerged from the jails in many respects . from Frongoch and Long Kesh internment camps, we're very often innocent and previously mild mannered types got lobbed in with the hardcore . Jail tends to be their university , and just another front of the struggle . Very often it's prison campaigns that draw in supporters . Not just as regarding hunger strikes and the like but just the general week to week prisoner support . That draws in friends, relatives, other ex prisoners , stuff like that . whether onto demos , pickets or socials .
Republicans mostly ignored the various bannings by the state..and got sent to jail..but the sticks once introduced a title of convenience called " Republican clubs " to get around the banning of " official " sinn fein back in 1970 .
Modern Irish republicans have a very long jail tradition to fall back on , from Anne Devlin onto the Fenians , onto Terence Mac Swiney ...literally hundreds of years of experience and tradition to fall back on ideologically and organisation wise . that has seen them through numerous adversities . And psychologically virtually everyone who commits themselves to revolutionary republicanism knows that jail is a certainty . They're prepared for it .
These shits ..in the main..don't have that either that tradition or mentality and just aren't prepared for it . Psychologically or ideologically . Not unless they were say..active criminals as well as fascists .
These twats probably won't survive very well in jail . And it's very difficult To see were they'll get the ideological motivation necessary to sustain themselves in that position . Finding oneself in jail due to having an irrational dislike of other people in fact may well cause a few of them to ponder and regret their antics .
krtek a houby
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SpecialBranch
Are you expecting some sort of disorder today?
You seriously think that the IRA and National Action are the same thing? Not just politically but tactically too. Really?
SpecialBranch
Are you expecting some sort of disorder today?
You do realise that there were protestants in the IRA too right?
You do realise that it was 'The Special Branch'?
SpecialBranch
Are you expecting some sort of disorder today?
Would you include Cumman na mBan as a "boys gang"?
On a serious note, what would your response be to a military occupation? As the name suggests, the IRA were not formed as a ''peaceful" organisation so why would they engage primarily in "peaceful" activity? Having said that, they did actually engage in "peaceful" activity a number of times.
Interestingly "peaceful" methods were tried in the late 1960's and early 1970's and how did that work out? There was something about an event one Sunday in the early 1970's which answers that.
As for "innocents" (assuming you are referring to the IRA's 'victims' as a whole), if you class soldiers, police, prison officers and intelligence officers as "innocents" in a war fighting situation (because that is what it was) then you need to check your outlook.
You do realise it's 'bits & pieces'?
SpecialBranch
Are you expecting some sort of disorder today?
Didn't the IRA kill Murphy?
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