Moronic Kentucky students in Maga hats mock Native American veteran

[butchersapron]

It wasn't him ffs. Jesus christ.

 

[CRI]

Gee, it's not like social media or even mainstream media never jumps to conclusions about the identity of people who do "bad things" particularly if they are Brown, Black or Muslim. Where were the calls for there to be verification before posting in those cases, eh?

Yup, it's sad if this Alex kid got wrongly dragged, but pretty sure he'll get only sympathy and the mistaken identity story will eclipse the original allegations. Funny that doesn't usually happen for other people in similar situs. Heck, there are still people who think the Central Park Five did it, even after exonerated by DNA evidence. The US President is one of them.

 

[Idris2002]

Gee, it's not like social media or even mainstream media never jumps to conclusions about the identity of people who do "bad things" particularly if they are Brown, Black or Muslim. Where were the calls for there to be verification before posting in those cases, eh?

Yup, it's sad if this Alex kid got wrongly dragged, but pretty sure he'll get only sympathy and the mistaken identity story will eclipse the original allegations. Funny that doesn't usually happen for other people in similar situs. Heck, there are still people who think the Central Park Five did it, even after exonerated by DNA evidence. The US President is one of them.

I don't think social media existed at the time of the Central Park Five case.

 

[butchersapron]

Gee, it's not like social media or even mainstream media never jumps to conclusions about the identity of people who do "bad things" particularly if they are Brown, Black or Muslim. Where were the calls for there to be verification before posting in those cases, eh?

Yup, it's sad if this Alex kid got wrongly dragged, but pretty sure he'll get only sympathy and the mistaken identity story will eclipse the original allegations. Funny that doesn't usually happen for other people in similar situs. Heck, there are still people who think the Central Park Five did it, even after exonerated by DNA evidence. The US President is one of them.

You know it's not true yet you just a minute ago liked a post saying it was true.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't think social media existed at the time of the Central Park Five case.

Fuck sake idris, don't let her drag her case onto the ground that it's ok to falsely accuse people because other people have been falsely accused in the past.

 

[The Octagon]

Gee, it's not like social media or even mainstream media never jumps to conclusions about the identity of people who do "bad things" particularly if they are Brown, Black or Muslim. Where were the calls for there to be verification before posting in those cases, eh?

Yup, it's sad if this Alex kid got wrongly dragged, but pretty sure he'll get only sympathy and the mistaken identity story will eclipse the original allegations. Funny that doesn't usually happen for other people in similar situs. Heck, there are still people who think the Central Park Five did it, even after exonerated by DNA evidence. The US President is one of them.

Yes, particularly if people don't even read what they're quoting and misidentify the wrong brother

 

[CRI]

I don't think social media existed at the time of the Central Park Five case.

You know full well I was talking about Black, Brown and Muslim people being the victims of "mistaken identity" and white people not getting their panties in a bunch about that, and it's not limited to social media or recent times, but you keep doing you!

 

[CRI]

Yes, particularly if people don't even read what they're quoting and misidentify the wrong brother

In Firefox, the tweets don't show in the post. You have to open them separately in a specific container. I thought Rutita was quoting a different Tweet from the one attached to Idris' post. So I'll go back and remove the "like." I'm guessing Rutita also quoted the wrong post, as her comment doesn't relate to the content of the tweet.

All clear now!

 

[butchersapron]

Of course of course

 

[CRI]

That's exactly what the kid in the vid did do though. Regardless of what exchange happened before between the maga kids and the Hebrew lot. That little cunt and his mates were most definitely taking the fucking piss. The urge to head butt the smirking little twat was strong for me tbh.

The fact they were also there taking part in an anti abortion demo simply adds to the context imo. A bunch of alt right knobheads in the making.

As others have mentioned, I'm guessing you quoted the wrong post, as the Tweet embedded is about the mistaken identity case.

I agree with your post though.

 

[Treacle Toes]

No, the tweet is saying that the brother of Andrew Hodge has been wrongly identified as being the smirking little twat.

Fair enough, not on for anyone to be wrongly blamed for it extra care needs to be taken before slinging names about.

Is this guy's little brother from the same school then?

 

[Treacle Toes]

As others have mentioned, I'm guessing you quoted the wrong post, as the Tweet embedded is about the mistaken identity case.

I agree with your post though.

Yeah I was reading on a phone and clearly made a mistake.

 

[8ball]

Fair enough, not on for anyone to be wrongly blamed forfor, extra care needs to be taken before slinging names about.

They could end up giving the term "angry mob" a bad name.

 

[CRI]

I think its important to listen to everyone on this. The one person I've not heard speaking on the news is Elder Nathan Phillips. I don't know him, but I know the ideas behind what he was trying to do. He was the director of group for Native American Youth and probably thought he'd get the same reaction from these young people as it would from Omaha youth. Native youths would have opened a path for an elder and quieted down. Anyway, here's an interview for what its worth:

https://rewire.news/article/2019/01/20/an-interview-with-nathan-phillips-on-the-magayouth-incident/

The whole incident is a parable of the troubles afflicting the US at the moment. You have "sides" broken down by race and culture, and none of them talking to each other--just chanting slogans and insults. I suppose we should feel lucky that none of it came to blows.

One note about the young African American Hewbrew men. I've been watching lectures by this growing movement and I don't find it particularly reassuring. I've seen very blatant anti-Jewish and anti-women ideas expressed and its a little scary.

There's some info on the Black Hebrew Israelites group on this thread from JJ McNabb, who tracks extremists of all stripes. Good account to follow btw.



Sadly, if you follow the thread through, you'll see posts trying to turn it back to Nathan Phillips being the aggressor here.

I agree that the foundation of this is divisions between cultures and communities in the US, but fundamentally, it's the assertion of white, male, conservative, straight, Christian entitlement, pushed by Trump, the GOP, their backers and supporters, that has magnified the divisions, and is pushing now harder than any other time in my lifetime for their view to be seen as the only legitimate one.

The Rewire piece is good, and I have seen a few interviews with Mr Phillips. His observations are absolutely true, and his words are upsetting. It's like he's mourning the loss of something he didn't realise was so far gone until that incident.

After it happened and his name came out, my heart sank because I knew he was going to be absolutely slated on social media and would be targeted with violence and death threats. I'm sure he doesn't regret taking a stand, but his life will never be the same again, sadly, I don't think in a good way.

 

[CRI]

Fairly appropriate for this thread. (It's free unless you've maxed your free WAPO articles.)

The Catholic Church’s shameful history of Native American abuses

Trying to make sense of the troubling scene that took place at the Indigenous Peoples March may be difficult for the Diocese of Covington and for Catholics not familiar with the U.S. Catholic Church’s often violent relationship with indigenous Catholics and non-Catholics. The records of abuse of Native Americans by Catholic clerics in Alaska and New Mexico, for example, are just starting to be uncovered by historians, even though memories of colonizing violence have remained alive within local communities for decades. Reckoning with this past is essential for coming to terms with the injustices faced by indigenous people both in history and in the 21st century. The actions of the young men harassing Phillips are only possible because of the failure to address and understand this shameful history.

 

[Poot]

The words 'I asked my teacher chaperone...at the Anti Abortion rally' pretty much told me already that anything coming out of this was going to be grim.

 

[CRI]

The words 'I asked my teacher chaperone...at the Anti Abortion rally' pretty much told me already that anything coming out of this was going to be grim.

 

[Poot]

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Are all of their jamborees like this one? The mind boggles.

 

[8ball]

The underlying issue in this incident and the aftermath is entitlement.

This all boys Catholic School felt entitled to bus it's students to Washington, DC, to take part in a rally that aims to strip women and girls of the right to have an abortion or access to contraception. Clearly their parents felt they were entitled to do so as well. They were teens, not tiny children, so I'm guessing the boys also thought so. Some of those boys felt entitled to wear MAGA hats, which shows their support for Trump and his associated far right ideals and values, whether or not wearing such an emblem might be experienced as provocative or intimidating to other people.

We shouldn't forget that they are entitled to their protests under the US constitution. That entitlement wasn't the problem - the two other groups involved were also entitled to their protests in that locale on that day. People are also entitled to counter-demonstrations to all and any of these groups' interests if they wish.

They were also entitled to stand their ground when heckled (regardless of whether this was the wisest course or not). And they were entitled to wear those hats if they so wish, too.

The other points of entitlement that you reference are fair comment, but on those particular points all sides were just exercising their constitutional rights.

 

[tim]

I think its important to listen to everyone on this. The one person I've not heard speaking on the news is Elder Nathan Phillips. I don't know him, but I know the ideas behind what he was trying to do. He was the director of group for Native American Youth and probably thought he'd get the same reaction from these young people as it would from Omaha youth. Native youths would have opened a path for an elder and quieted down. Anyway, here's an interview for what its worth:

https://rewire.news/article/2019/01/20/an-interview-with-nathan-phillips-on-the-magayouth-incident/

The whole incident is a parable of the troubles afflicting the US at the moment. You have "sides" broken down by race and culture, and none of them talking to each other--just chanting slogans and insults. I suppose we should feel lucky that none of it came to blows.

One note about the young African American Hewbrew men. I've been watching lectures by this growing movement and I don't find it particularly reassuring. I've seen very blatant anti-Jewish and anti-women ideas expressed and its a little scary.

It's like being back in the sixties.

 

[Idris2002]

It's like being back in the sixties.

Just with shit music.

 

[Archimage]

Just with shit music.

and shit drugs.

 

[petee]

One note about the young African American Hewbrew men. I've been watching lectures by this growing movement and I don't find it particularly reassuring. I've seen very blatant anti-Jewish and anti-women ideas expressed and its a little scary.

i've seen them here in manhattan, outside hunter college. pretty shouty and explicitly racialist. iirc not above resorting to fists, but it's going back some years.

 

[8ball]

i've seen them here in manhattan, outside hunter college. pretty shouty and explicitly racialist. iirc not above resorting to fists, but it's going back some years.

Racialist.
Proper old skool word.

There are multiple groups and they are quite splintered in terms of beliefs as with everything else - might have been a completely different group.

They sound pretty similar, though tbf.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I think its important to listen to everyone on this. The one person I've not heard speaking on the news is Elder Nathan Phillips. I don't know him, but I know the ideas behind what he was trying to do. He was the director of group for Native American Youth and probably thought he'd get the same reaction from these young people as it would from Omaha youth. Native youths would have opened a path for an elder and quieted down. Anyway, here's an interview for what its worth:

https://rewire.news/article/2019/01/20/an-interview-with-nathan-phillips-on-the-magayouth-incident/

https://rewire.news/article/2019/01/20/an-interview-with-nathan-phillips-on-the-magayouth-incident/

You haven't heard from him? There is loads of stuff online from him regarding this incident just like the link/article you have included in this post.

The whole incident is a parable of the troubles afflicting the US at the moment. You have "sides" broken down by race and culture, and none of them talking to each other--just chanting slogans and insults. I suppose we should feel lucky that none of it came to blows.

One note about the young African American Hewbrew men. I've been watching lectures by this growing movement and I don't find it particularly reassuring. I've seen very blatant anti-Jewish and anti-women ideas expressed and its a little scary.

Where have you been watching lectures and when you say growing movement can you say how much it is growing?

I ask because the Black Israelite nonsense if nothing new and is routinely dismissed by just about everyone? Perhaps I am not looking in the right places? I do wonder though how if it's a growing movement that we are not hearing more about it in the mainstream media etc.

The problem we have here is that yes, the stuff those men believe and spout is abhorrent but they are not young people on a field trip, their ideas are not institutionalised, they do not reflect power of any kind and therefore do not reflect a threat in the same way at all.

Are the Black Israelites reflective of what is being championed by the president, in schools and through the populist media? I don't think so. Comparing them seems odd to me.

I've seen very blatant anti-Jewish and anti-women ideas expressed and its a little scary

This is the alt-right to a tee also isn't it?

 

[petee]

This is the alt-right to a tee also isn't it?

but black/african/hebrew/israeliteism in the states far pre-dates that.
this has nothing to do with rastafarianism or actual african judaism (as you find in ethiopia).

 

[NoXion]

I think one could also argue that this alt-right stuff is just oldschool fascism wearing a lumberjack shirt and a hipster beard while posting on social media to "get down with the kids".

 

[butchersapron]

but black/african/hebrew/israeliteism in the states far pre-dates that.
this has nothing to do with rastafarianism or actual african judaism (as you find in ethiopia).

And it's not been magnified or whatever by trump - it's been entirely marginalised to an even more marginal position if that's possible - the same as old school far-right groups have been.

 

[Treacle Toes]

but black/african/hebrew/israeliteism in the states far pre-dates that.
this has nothing to do with rastafarianism or actual african judaism (as you find in ethiopia).

Yes I know it does and I also know it's sod all to do with rastafarianism ...it get's shit fuck all real legitmacy though doesn't it?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

You haven't heard from him? There is loads of stuff online from him regarding this incident just like the link/article you have included in this post.

I hadn't seen it anywhere, although I admit that I do not have cable. Perhaps it was more prominent there. I had to hunt that up by looking specifically for it. I saw the version told by the Young Catholic men was played multiple times without my having to look for it. I also don't access the internet on weekends. I stare at a computer for 50-60 hrs a week so the last thing I want on a weekend is to stare at a screen.

Where have you been watching lectures and when you say growing movement can you say how much it is growing?

I ask because the Black Israelite nonsense if nothing new and is routinely dismissed by just about everyone? Perhaps I am not looking in the right places? I do wonder though how if it's a growing movement that we are not hearing more about it in the mainstream media etc.

I must have just run into a cache of it on YouTube. I expect the comments to be pretty out there on YouTube, but some of the lectures are pretty out there too. I've also been watching some "men's rights" stuff, trying to better understand them.

The problem we have here is that yes, the stuff those men believe and spout is abhorrent but they are not young people on a field trip, their ideas are not institutionalised, they do not reflect power of any kind and therefore do not reflect a threat in the same way at all.

With the alt-right feeling empowered to spread their message, I don't think its constructive (understandable, yes), to have another group jinning people up with anti-semtic and misogynist mems.

Are the Black Israelites reflective of what is being championed by the president, in schools and through the populist media? I don't think so. Comparing them seems odd to me.

You'll have to point out where I compared them. I missed it.