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NoXion said:
Republicans are attempting to create a one-party state in Wisconsin:

www.theguardian.com

What Republicans are doing to Wisconsin is a warning sign to all Americans | Andrew Gawthorpe

The state’s so gerrymandered that Republicans can lose the popular vote and win supermajorities. Now they want to impeach a liberal justice before she’s ruled on a single case
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being very closely watched here. the screaming tones of the WI GOP suggest that they know they have no leg to stand on. the new justice hasn't sat yet and hasn't issued an ruling nor even heard a case, but they're trying to get her on 'malfeasance' because she had an opinion about some other case (that may all be in the article, i admit i didn't read it). the problem is that antonin scalia himself wrote a Supreme Court opinion which said that judicial candidates are allowed to have opinions; i don't have the citation to hand unf.

watch out for this 'malfaesance' argument though, de santis has already used it successfully in FL.
 
Oklahoma State Superintendent Ryan Walters on Tuesday vowed to bring Christian prayer back into his state's public schools and suggested that the notion of church-state separation in the United States was a "myth."

Writing on Twitter, Walters linked to a story about a recent speech he delivered to the "Pray, Vote, Stand" summit in Washington D.C. where he called for bringing back prayer in schools and argued that "there is no separation of church and state in the constitution or declaration of independence, it doesn't exist."

Commenting on this speech, Walters wrote, "We will bring God and prayer back in schools in Oklahoma, and fight back against the radical myth of separation of church and state."

In fact, the First Amendment of the United States Constitution explicitly states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

In addition to this, American founding father Thomas Jefferson elaborated on the First Amendment in a letter sent in 1802 in which he said that the amendment's purpose was to build "a wall of separation between Church and State."

Walters has long courted controversy with his ambitions to bring religion back into American classrooms, and last year he vowed to force Oklahoma teachers to undergo "patriotic education" that was based on "Judeo-Christian values."
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He needs to read the constitution. Plainly, you can't have freedom of religion if the state is not only sponsoring one version or another, but forcing participation. The right wingers are all about parental rights until a parent wants to raise their children as atheists. 10 to 1 odds that within a decade we see this guy up on charges for improper contact with students. He has that "paedo youth pastor" vibe.
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
The right wingers are all about parental rights until a parent wants to raise their children as atheists.
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i'm wondering why parents who aren't part of the gang of rightwing parents aren't piping up with "i want my child to read a critique of gender roles" as i'm guessing plenty feel that way.
 
petee said:
i'm wondering why parents who aren't part of the gang of rightwing parents aren't piping up with "i want my child to read a critique of gender roles" as i'm guessing plenty feel that way.
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Because they're afraid of being harassed. If you look at the harassment and sanctions teachers and librarians are seeing just for doing their jobs, you can see why the parents might not want to speak up. However, if you look at video of public meetings, there are people who are speaking up, despite the risks.
 
Yep. What Serge Forward and Yuwipi Woman said

As I’ve said before I have family in the Deep South. Most of them are text book Southerners with all that entails. Those who aren’t are wary of stepping out of line in any way that puts their kids in the firing line. In fact, the more they themselves work against the status quo (including giving their kids the tools for critical thinking and going against the grain themselves) the more likely they are to build disguise and hide boundaries too.

I worry about the cognitive dissonance that’s building in the South as a result.
 
yes i'm quite aware of that, i'm also aware that the numbers aren't few and there is already opposition.

www.theguardian.com

‘Reading is resistance’: students and parents take on DeSantis’s book bans

Florida governor’s constant attacks on the education system have led to an increasing backlash from a wide range of people
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www.reckon.news

Here’s how parents can fight book bans in their kids’ school libraries

“Most of the books being challenged are books about marginalized communities or written by people from those marginalized communities."
www.reckon.news www.reckon.news

www.edweek.org

As Book Bans Spread, Suburban Moms Who Oppose Them Are Fighting Back

These mothers have deployed a series of unique strategies to convince board members to keep books about racism and homophobia.
www.edweek.org www.edweek.org

so, it's happenieng (he types, responding to his own observation).

it may be that it's just not bineg reported more, as it doesn't angry up the blood like bannings do, hence fewer clicks.
 
story said:
Yep. What Serge Forward and Yuwipi Woman said

As I’ve said before I have family in the Deep South. Most of them are text book Southerners with all that entails. Those who aren’t are wary of stepping out of line in any way that puts their kids in the firing line. In fact, the more they themselves work against the status quo (including giving their kids the tools for critical thinking and going against the grain themselves) the more likely they are to build disguise and hide boundaries too.

I worry about the cognitive dissonance that’s building in the South as a result.
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And the weird thing is, at least where I live, the people who want religion to stay out of schools and for kids to get a good grounding in literature and critical thinking, are the majority. This is true even in the deep red state I live in. It's just that the crazies are so vocal and vociferous that countering them without inviting a violent response is something you think about. I've had tires slashed at environmental group meetings and others minor harassment.

Often these crazies have the power of the state behind them. In my state the crazies are in charge, and they're busy bringing in other crazies for any position they can. A friend of mine just retired from state government because of all the crazy the governor was bringing in from Arkansas. He'd bring in new administrators who would go about dismantling any system that worked for people, while claiming to improve things. Then, they point to it and say, "see it doesn't work to help poor people!" And all of these people claim to be Christians. It's probably not a coincidence that both of our last governors have been billionaires.
 
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I recognise that Yuwipi Woman .

One of my younger cousins decided that she wanted to push back. She started by joining local educational bodies including the governing body of her kids’ school but that proved to be dangerous in ways that you describe. She’s doing environmental and charity work instead because it’s safer. The local woods /wild places and homeless / drug places. She tries to model alternative attitudes and push certain policies, and little by ,title she’s made a difference, partly by attracting more like-minded people into the groups.

I’m in awe of her determination tbh. She and her husband are increasingly talking about moving away, even to Europe, now that her kids are older.

Her husband tries to influence policy in the downtown building and regeneration policies but again it’s incremental work. They have to be so patient to see any shift happen.

And all the while the Right gets stronger and more bloated






They both say that their visit to London during their engagement played a big part in their political development. She first came as a 19 year old in July 1994 and joined my lot on the big demo march against the CrIminal Justice Bill. She said she was absolutely staggered by the idea that people could publicly show their objection to government policy, and in such numbers, so loudly. Coming from a southern hard red state the notion of objecting lime that had never been on her radar. Never been taught in school, been castigated and mocked in conversation, poorly represented and broadly criticised in the press etc. She brought her fiancé here specifically to give him an alternative view of the world. They spent time digging down into political thought, talking to people, visiting libraries and museums etc, checking out the local media etc. It was deliberate. Then they made a joint decision after much discussion to remain in the South and try to make changes. Impressive imo.
 
story said:
I recognise that Yuwipi Woman .

One of my younger cousins decided that she wanted to push back. She started by joining local educational bodies including the governing body of her kids’ school but that proved to be dangerous in ways that you describe. She’s doing environmental and charity work instead because it’s safer. The local woods /wild places and homeless / drug places. She tries to model alternative attitudes and push certain policies, and little by ,title she’s made a difference, partly by attracting more like-minded people into the groups.

I’m in awe of her determination tbh. She and her husband are increasingly talking about moving away, even to Europe, now that her kids are older.

Her husband tries to influence policy in the downtown building and regeneration policies but again it’s incremental work. They have to be so patient to see any shift happen.

And all the while the Right gets stronger and more bloated
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I still try to do what I can. However, if I go to a meeting, I park a away from it so they won't connect my car to the meeting. I've kinda kept to doing things where I see the immediate effect such as stocking the free pantries and the like, and raising money to support on-site protestors. I can support those things without becoming a direct target. I think about moving too, but I wouldn't know where. And, as long as my mother is around, I won't leave anyway.

They both say that their visit to London during their engagement played a big part in their political development. She first came as a 19 year old in July 1994 and joined my lot on the big demo march against the CrIminal Justice Bill. She said she was absolutely staggered by the idea that people could publicly show their objection to government policy, and in such numbers, so loudly. Coming from a southern hard red state the notion of objecting lime that had never been on her radar. Never been taught in school, been castigated and mocked in conversation, poorly represented and broadly criticised in the press etc. She brought her fiancé here specifically to give him an alternative view of the world. They spent time digging down into political thought, talking to people, visiting libraries and museums etc, checking out the local media etc. It was deliberate. Then they made a joint decision after much discussion to remain in the South and try to make changes. Impressive imo.
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I'm glad your cousin is active and figured it out young. You have to do something. It seems like everything is creeping toward the right and toward authoritarianism. I think the US does a poor job of helping people understand history and politics. I don't think they even have civics classes in many schools, where they at least have to read the constitution. Those classes that remain are riddled with far right agendas. Those of us who left rural areas a bit naive, tend to return better educated on why things are the way they are. They don't have to be.
 
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a-ha.

As the right-wing book-banning movement justifies its crusade against U.S. libraries and classrooms with claims of "parental rights," survey data released Wednesday shows that 74% of parents agree or somewhat agree that book bans for public libraries infringe on their right to make decisions for their children.

www.commondreams.org

Majority of US Parents Think Public Library Book Bans Infringe on Their Rights

"This report sheds light on the perceptions of parents regarding public libraries and the current issues they face," said John Chrastka, EveryLibrary Institute executive director.
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www.nypl.org

Books for All: Protect the Freedom to Read

Stand with The New York Public Library all year long to protect the freedom to read! Discover all the Library has to offer, including our Teen Banned Book Club, unlimited access to book club titles on NYPL’s SimplyE app, our National Teen Writing Contest about the importance of reading freely...
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"The New York Public Library's Teen Banned Book Club is offering free, nationwide digital access to young adult titles that have been the subject of bans or challenges. Download the latest title on SimplyE starting October 2—then join the conversation at our book club events and author talks."
 
www.theguardian.com

North Carolina bans ‘Banned Books Week’ but retracts after media backlash

Charlotte-Mecklenburg school district publicly amends instructions to principals after national outlets pick up story
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North Carolina’s Charlotte-Mecklenburg school district appears to be a bit confused as to where it stands in the ongoing battle against books around the US: they banned educators from participating in a weeklong series of events drawing attention to banned books and then … said there was no ban.
 
They're saying out loud what they've meant all along:

ND Republican unleashes Christian nationalist rant calling for 'Christ is King' laws.

North Dakota state Representative Brandon Prichard, a Republican who co-sponsored legislation that was passed in to law that bans all gender confirming surgeries and medication for minors in his state, went on an anti-LGBTQ Christian nationalist tirade including a call for state ordinances to declare “Jesus Christ is King.”
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No one is surprised that he'd police gender lines. How can you set up gender-based hierarchies if no one knows their place?

“Every conservative state should put into code that Jesus Christ is King and dedicate their state to Him. Force RINOs to say no to Jesus and then brutalize them in elections. We need a government of Christians, not fakers,” wrote Rep. Pritchard Sunday evening.

Pushback came swiftly from politicos including former Republican and former U.S. Rep. Joe Walsh, who responded saying, “Not in this country. Never. Our Constitution won’t allow it. And that’s a damn good thing. Shame on you.”

Rep. Pritchard’s remarks in recent days have taken on a similarly strong Christian nationalist theme.

“Here is a simple test to determine if you are conservative: Should the church of Satan or satanic temple be allowed the freedom to worship in the same way as Christians? If you answer yes, you need to rethink your claimed political identity because you are not conservative,” he wrote Friday.
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Here's the part where he says out loud that he doesn't believe in the constitution or freedom of religion:

Later that same day he added, “Real conservatives will never put the constitution above natural law. The constitution is only useful insofar as it forces our government to limit power and pursue objective truth. It is a powerful means to an end, nothing more, nothing less.”
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I don't particularly care for how many porn cites operate, but you can't argue with their response to this:

Over the weekend Pritchard issued a call to ban pornography, saying it “serves no positive benefit in society, destroys men, and treats women as objects.”

A social media account that appears to be for the adult site Just for Fans mocked him, writing on social media, “If you want to cancel an account, please contact our customer service department.”
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Somehow, I don't think he mentions turning women into objects, when his religion relegates them to the status of baby machines and other household appliances. I wouldn't be surprised if the next time we hear about this guy, he's using a "wide stance" in an airport bathroom or fiddling with little kids. Hypocrisy knows no limits for these guys.

Also, over the weekend Pritchard called for any Republican who thinks children should be allowed to attend drag shows be “censured or expelled from the party.”

He then wrote he was “extremely disappointed” with North Dakota State University “over their decision to have two homecoming kings and NO homecoming queen. People will be mad when I introduce a bill next session to say that state-funded schools cannot pick homecoming royalty of the same sex, but I didn’t start the fight.”

Pritchard also declared, “All schools should have LGBTQ history taught and lesson one should be Sodom and Gomorrah.”
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It's really no wonder that my gay, lesbian, and trans friends are considering leaving and finding some place where they won't be subject to shit like this. I hope we can turn the tide of this back. If you look at polls, the majority don't want any of this.
 
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If you guys over there want to go back to having a King, we've got one ready-made. :thumbs:

But seriously, this all reeks of desperation on some level. That's why they resort to shit like voter suppression and gerrymandering. The leaders of this know they're not actually that popular.
 
NoXion said:
If you guys over there want to go back to having a King, we've got one ready-made. :thumbs:

But seriously, this all reeks of desperation on some level. That's why they resort to shit like voter suppression and gerrymandering. The leaders of this know they're not actually that popular fighting a lone brave battle against the hordes of Satan.
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Well, considering some of the language I've heard this was only a matter of time. A woman in Pennsylvania was arrested for practicing witchcraft. I shit you not:

We have become accustomed in modern times to the term “witch-hunt” being metaphorical but a practicing witch with a retail shop has become an actual target of the police for “suspicions of witchcraft” charges, despite the fact that this is the year 2023. Her crime? Fortune-telling, in the form of tarot readings. The state has a history of persecuting witches though, back to the very founder William Penn who participated in hearings against two women accused of bewitching livestock to not produce and appearing in spectral form. Basically, in the years between 1683 and right now nobody has bothered to ask if this law is useful, so it remains there to be enforced whenever the police feel like some good ol’ fashioned religious persecution.

The shop owner, @thestitchingwitch, received an email from the Borough Manager alerting her that a recent article about her business had alerted the Chief of Police himself to her allegedly illegal activities. Social media became instantly outraged on her behalf because Americans expect to have religious freedom to practice whatever they choose. It’s also very specifically targeted from the perspective of those at all familiar with the Keystone State, famous for having a groundhog predict the future weather every February 2nd.

The business owner also shared notices she has to post around her shop that indicate it is for entertainment purposes only, a thing no other religiously affiliated businesses have to do. Imagine if every Christian bookstore had to prominently display the same signage!

Who is the Chief of Police of whom she was warned? It appears to be Chad Martin of Hanover Borough, a part of York County - which is actually under investigation for having at least one officer who participated in the storming of our nation’s Capitol on January 6th.

The potential for persecution isn’t limited to the witchy community either, as some of these extremists believe that anybody of a different religion is literally a demon. The problem also isn’t limited to PA, as law enforcement has been assisting in these discriminations over legal activities such as an artists retreat that rented space and were driven out by Christian extremists who took offense to an Om sign on a painting.
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She's literally being cited under a law left over from the original witch persecutions long ago. Given the dark history of Pennsylvania and witchcraft, I can't imagine that the charges will proceed. This is just the far right's attempt to scare non-Christians.
 
The thing that strikes me about these types deciding who to harrass, based on their own interpretations of who is deemed worthy, is that they are invariably cultlike and embrace all kinds of occultism. Usually to hide their fears (alpha males?) and weaknesses or projecting them onto easy targets from a bully position.
 
Humberto said:
The thing that strikes me about these types deciding who to harrass, based on their own interpretations of who is deemed worthy, is that they are invariably cultlike and embrace all kinds of occultism. Usually to hide their fears (alpha males?) and weaknesses or projecting them onto easy targets from a bully position.
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Qanon is deeply cult-like in the things they believe. Anyone who participated in 1/6, as one officer in this department is reputed to have done, is a member of a cult of personality at best.
 
more pushback

www.salon.com

Moms for Liberty meets its match: Suburban parents are fighting back

Republicans hope to use education wars to turn purple suburbia red. In one Pennsylvania district, that backfired
www.salon.com www.salon.com

"Pennridge High School that night illustrated a story that's gotten much less attention: The response of fed-up parents and educators who, without anything close to the resources of their conservative opponents, are organizing a grassroots effort to restore American schools to their intended purpose"
 
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