The next American Civil War

[gosub]

GOP governors have already sent troops to Texas amid "civil war" fears

A number of 25 Republican-led states have sent soldiers to the Texas border to help combat illegal immigration, and more could be headed to the Lone Star State.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Ax^]

 

[gosub]

Should Biden federalize the Texas National Guard if Abbott continues border defiance?

Gov. Greg Abbott has relied heavily on the state’s National Guard to implement his nearly 3-year-old Operation Lone Star.

www.dallasnews.com

 

[ouirdeaux]

I admit to not having read the previous 11 pages, but does anyone think civil war is a real possiblity? Even assuming all the state militias get together -- unlikely -- the US Army would make short work of them.

 

[Raheem]

I admit to not having read the previous 11 pages, but does anyone think civil war is a real possiblity? Even assuming all the state militias get together -- unlikely -- the US Army would make short work of them.

Only if the US army wants to.

 

[Rimbaud]

I admit to not having read the previous 11 pages, but does anyone think civil war is a real possiblity? Even assuming all the state militias get together -- unlikely -- the US Army would make short work of them.

Maybe not a full scale civil war but the various right wing militias are certainly capable of conducting a low level insurgency - assassinations, bombings, tit for tat killings. Escalating political violence sparked by a Trump defeat or arrest is definitely a possibility.

 

[Ax^]

they should just make it official and let Texas succeed, then cut all. federal funding and let it run for a few month

require them to have passport to enter the USA and stop them flying the flag as they are no longer a state or a protectorate

 

[gosub]

they should just make it official and let Texas succeed, then cut all. federal funding and let it run for a few month

require them to have passport to enter the USA and stop them flying the flag as they are no longer a state or a protectorate

If it gets to also walk away from national debt they might take that deal

 

[Ax^]

hmm a small country near the USA with oil

it will work out well for them

 

[pbsmooth]

I admit to not having read the previous 11 pages, but does anyone think civil war is a real possiblity? Even assuming all the state militias get together -- unlikely -- the US Army would make short work of them.

I mean they stormed a govt building and tried to kill opposition leaders last time so…

 

[Yossarian]

they should just make it official and let Texas succeed, then cut all. federal funding and let it run for a few month

require them to have passport to enter the USA and stop them flying the flag as they are no longer a state or a protectorate

It would also cut the length of the US border with Mexico by more than half, creating a buffer zone - probably wouldn't be long before Oklahoma talked about building a wall and making Texas pay for it

 

[petee]

more to worry about

Protest Convoy Headed to Southern Border Is Calling Itself an ‘Army of God’

Experts say that the Christian nationalist rhetoric adds a dangerous dimension to the standoff between Texas and the Federal Government.

www.vice.com

" “This is a biblical, monumental moment that’s been put together by God,” one convoy organizer said on a recent planning call. “We are besieged on all sides by dark forces of evil,” said another. “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the sons of God. It is time for the remnant to rise.” "

off to a bad start tho'

 

[petee]

really!

Some supporters of a far-right convoy headed to the Texas border are calling for civil war

A group that has referred to itself as "God's Army" said it's planning three peaceful assemblies Saturday. The convoy has attracted only small numbers so far.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Ax^]

should pull them over outside Texas and see how many are also sovereign citizens

 

[Idris2002]

hmm a small country near the USA with oil

it will work out well for them

This is probably the first time Texas has ever been referred to as "small". Anyway, the Texiteers are going to be like the Quebecois and the Scotch Nats, all hat and no cattle.

"He marched them up to the top of the hill, and he marched them down again."

 

[Pickman's model]

This is probably the first time Texas has ever been referred to as "small". Anyway, the Texiteers are going to be like the Quebecois and the Scotch Nats, all hat and no cattle.

"He marched them up to the top of the hill, and he marched them down again."

remember the alamo

 

[Idris2002]

remember the alamo

Lest we forget:

Ozzy Osbourne Arrested for Urinating on Alamo, 1982

How Ozzy Osbourne offended the entire state of Texas in 1982 after a heavy drinking session...

www.thebeat.ie

 

[petee]

This is probably the first time Texas has ever been referred to as "small". Anyway, the Texiteers are going to be like the Quebecois and the Scotch Nats, all hat and no cattle.

i've seen articles already, "if we secede, will we get our social security checks?"

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I admit to not having read the previous 11 pages, but does anyone think civil war is a real possiblity? Even assuming all the state militias get together -- unlikely -- the US Army would make short work of them.

That depends on who is in charge of the troops. During 1/6 they were afraid to call out troops because they were worried that they were on the side of Trump and his coup attempt.

 

[ouirdeaux]

During 1/6 they were afraid to call out troops because they were worried that they were on the side of Trump and his coup attempt.

Really?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Really?

Charles Flynn, the brother of Michael Flynn was in charge of some of those forces. Michael Flynn was a close adviser to Trump and was in the room when this was being planned.
He has publicly supported 1/6 protesters and was pardoned by Trump before he left office.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics/michael-flynn-brother-capitol-hill-riot/index.html

Michael Flynn appears before Jan. 6 committee but declines to answer questions

Former national security adviser Mike Flynn took the Fifth during his deposition before the January 6 committee.

www.cbsnews.com

'Absolute liars': Ex-D.C. Guard official says generals lied to Congress about Jan. 6

In a 36-page memo to the Capitol riot committee, Col. Earl Matthews also slams the Pentagon's inspector general for what he calls an error-ridden report.

www.politico.com

This is why its imperative that Trump not get back into office. We may not survive a second coup attempt.

 

[pbsmooth]

Pretty close now…

 

[yield]

His country trained him to fight. Then he turned against it. More like him are doing the same
October 17, 2024

MOUNT OLIVE, N.C. (AP) — The U.S. military trained him in explosives and battlefield tactics. Now the Iraq War veteran and enlisted National Guard member was calling for taking up arms against police and government officials in his own country.

Standing in the North Carolina woods, Chris Arthur warned about a coming civil war. Videos he posted publicly on YouTube bore titles such as “The End of America or the Next Revolutionary War.” In his telling, the U.S. was falling into chaos and there would be only one way to survive: kill or be killed.

Arthur was posting during a surge of far-right extremism in the years leading up to the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol. He wrote warcraft training manuals to help others organize their own militias. And he offered sessions at his farm in Mount Olive, North Carolina, that taught how to kidnap and attack public officials, use snipers and explosives and design a “fatal funnel” booby trap to inflict mass casualties.

While he continued to post publicly, military and law enforcement ignored more than a dozen warnings phoned in by Arthur’s wife’s ex-husband about Arthur’s increasingly violent rhetoric and calls for the murder of police officers. This failure by the Guard, FBI and others to act allowed Arthur to continue to manufacture and store explosives around young children and train another extremist who would attack police officers in New York state and lead them on a wild, two-hour chase and gun battle.

Arthur isn’t an anomaly. He is among more than 480 people with a military background accused of ideologically driven extremist crimes from 2017 through 2023, including the more than 230 arrested in connection with the Jan. 6 insurrection.

"thank you for your service" etc.

 

[dylanredefined]

remember the alamo

Bunch of slaveocrats got massacred after their comrades were too scared of armed Hispanics to come to their aid?
The militia types talk a great fight. If the authorities take them seriously they fold pathetically.

 

[_Russ_]

Charles Flynn, the brother of Michael Flynn was in charge of some of those forces. Michael Flynn was a close adviser to Trump and was in the room when this was being planned.
He has publicly supported 1/6 protesters and was pardoned by Trump before he left office.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics/michael-flynn-brother-capitol-hill-riot/index.html

Michael Flynn appears before Jan. 6 committee but declines to answer questions

Former national security adviser Mike Flynn took the Fifth during his deposition before the January 6 committee.

www.cbsnews.com

'Absolute liars': Ex-D.C. Guard official says generals lied to Congress about Jan. 6

In a 36-page memo to the Capitol riot committee, Col. Earl Matthews also slams the Pentagon's inspector general for what he calls an error-ridden report.

www.politico.com

This is why its imperative that Trump not get back into office. We may not survive a second coup attempt.

Eh? If he gets back into office he wont need to orchestrate a coup, Im probably not reading what you actually meant

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Eh? If he gets back into office he wont need to orchestrate a coup, Im probably not reading what you actually meant

Yes, I probably needed to be more precise in my language use. What I meant was that he'll install himself as dictator and never leave. Before that, he'll dismantle much of the government and install his own cronies. People are already thinking about what they've said online and other places and curtailing what they say. He's been given immunity by the Supreme Court. He will use it.

 

[yield]

The Americans Prepping for a Second Civil War
newyorker.com November 4, 2024 https://archive.ph/99CK2

According to an analysis of FEMA data, some twenty million Americans are actively preparing for cataclysm—roughly twice as many as in 2017. Political violence, including the spectre of civil war, is one of the reasons.

A recent study conducted by researchers at U.C. Davis concluded that one in three adults in the U.S., including up to half of Republicans, feel that violence is “usually or always justified” to advance certain political objectives (say, returning Trump to the White House).

In May, Ray Dalio, the billionaire founder of Bridgewater Associates, one of the world’s largest hedge funds, told the Financial Times that he believed there was about a thirty-five-per-cent chance of civil war breaking out in America.

“We are now on the brink,” Dalio said, noting that a modern civil war—though it might not involve muskets—would see the fracturing of states and widespread defiance of federal law. In June, Dalio upped his estimate to “uncomfortably more than 50 percent,” predicting “an existential battle of the hard right against the hard left in which you will have to pick a side and fight for it, or keep your head down, or flee.”

 

[ID47]

The Americans Prepping for a Second Civil War
newyorker.com November 4, 2024 https://archive.ph/99CK2

Disturbing especially that store cupboard. What the fuck are 'Dude Wipes'? Creepy as hell like all fascists.

 

[frogwoman]

The Americans Prepping for a Second Civil War
newyorker.com November 4, 2024 https://archive.ph/99CK2

I mean I suspect many people would think that political violence is sometimes justified in some hypothetical situation, like, say, 'punching Nazis', but not necessarily this situation. But I guess the Republicans answering the question would be imagining something like January 6th etc.