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Genuinely if people are worried about racism at millwall they should go there and do something about it. That's what solidarity is all about.

And if you don't maybe it's not the racism that is your primary motivation when discussing Millwall football club.
 
I said that and stand by that ya devious twisted oik. If i said racism is tolerated and accepted by Welsh football fans you'd be on here doing what me and Big Moaner are doing. You wouldn't be fucking twisting things and so quick to dismiss then. Again, absolutely pathetic and very very sly. Racism is not accepted or tolerated by most people. You don't need fucking proof or to be able to promise that you fucking idiot. You're a nasty and very unlikable shit stirer. You've only come on this thread to shit stir and get kicks.
Not tolerated, suffered, as you claimed FFS, for the last time
Your abuse speaks for itself
 
Your abuse speaks for itself
It's all your worthy of.That is where you wanted this to go and you finally got there. You're a sad and nasty piece of work. All you've done here is twist things, shit stir, lazily sterotype and cast aspersions. You have no interest in a debate or the truth. Your position is set and you ain't budging. You then act all innocent and go into victim mode because you have absolutely zero self awareness.
 
Last time I wrnt to Cardiff in the late 90s, there was literally thousands of Cardiff fans trying to smash their way into the away end. The "lump of concrete game" where Millwall families were having lumps of concrete slung at them outside the ground. Or when Cardiff smashed up the old Kent road for a nothing evening cup game. We should start a thread about Cardiff fans violence I reckon.
Why are you droning on and on about what supposedly happened at Cardiff years and years ago? :confused:
 
Agree, this is much more recent. Not long after your "blood soaked streets" match with Luton.

'Your'? I stopped supporting Cardiff City nearly a decade ago, you idiot, but I don't see them listed anywhere below.

It’s alarming how some of London’s top clubs, like Chelsea and Millwall, have become notorious for racist incidents among their fans, highlighting the ignorance and difficulty in eradicating Racism from the sport.

The Kick it Out campaign and other initiatives to combat Racism in the Premier League have not stopped these clubs from attracting unwanted attention.

Manchester United had the most arrests related to racist behavior between 2014 and 2018, with Leeds United and Millwall following closely behind.

 
We don't want political messaging at the den was the main line from what I could tell on the forums. They would be the same if anyone rolled out a obvious political statement before each march. Millwall fans boo a lot of things, they are inward, parochial. I didn't like the booing, but I also understand that not everyone sees the world as I say it and it doesn't automatically make them racist cunts (though some may be). They wanted it replace it with the kick it out message which is plastered across the ground. And is a banner before kick off which is never bood.

So In your eyes then they are all racist cunts for not falling in line I guess? You must honour the knee before every football match you want to see? No shades of grey anywhere?

Does Wilf Zaha get a pass? He refuses to take the knee. Calling anyone a racist who doesn't want clear political messaging at football is just as decisive and reactionary as the booing itself.

What's your take?
I think the first bit is a cop out. It was an anti-racism movement - that's not political. And the second bit I don't know why you're going on the attack when I calmly posted a fact around the knee stuff.

My basic take is they didn't like doing it. Same at Burnley. Two places with lots of EDL/racist past. Why pretend otherwise? Millwall have done a lot to combat their issues since the 90s, making it harder to buy tickets if you weren't a member etc. I see no reason to deny there was an issue.

I came in because people were saying Millwall is just like any club blah. I refute that. Simple as. Do I think all millwall are racist? No. But there are probably more knocking about than at most other clubs unfortunately.
 
I think the first bit is a cop out. It was an anti-racism movement - that's not political. And the second bit I don't know why you're going on the attack when I calmly posted a fact around the knee stuff.

My basic take is they didn't like doing it. Same at Burnley. Two places with lots of EDL/racist past. Why pretend otherwise? Millwall have done a lot to combat their issues since the 90s, making it harder to buy tickets if you weren't a member etc. I see no reason to deny there was an issue.

I came in because people were saying Millwall is just like any club blah. I refute that. Simple as. Do I think all millwall are racist? No. But there are probably more knocking about than at most other clubs unfortunately.
Erm, it's not "pretending", I've been going to the den week in week out for 40 years. Is there racists in the crowd, of course. There's racists everywhere sadly. Is it a defining feature of the club and an undercurrent and lurks behind every corner, no. It's far from it. Far far from it. Millwall is Millwall and its far far more complex as a club than the image you probably have of it in your mind. And if you live in London, go. For a few games, you'd start to see what I mean. See how the crowd react to black players, staff and black fans. (Hint: the same way they react to the white ones - unless they are Millwall hero's like so many past black players from Danny Shittu to John Fashanu - then they are adored). It has it's ways and culture and weird mannerisms but none of which are a kind of implicit or explicit racism. Anyway, I've gone into the knee thing in depth here and won't repeat. You have your view of the club, I have mine.
 
'Your'? I stopped supporting Cardiff City nearly a decade ago, you idiot, but I don't see them listed anywhere below.



While there are no set criteria to measure clubs based on Racism, specific teams like Chelsea and Millwall have consistently made headlines for racist behavior by their fans
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So headlines such as us being accused of singing Zeig heil when the truth which came with an apology was Brighton fans singing seagulls are now a barometer for how racist a footb all club is. Fucking hell how desperate. If you want some proper facts on arrests and bans for racist behaviour you need to look at the stas provide by the old bill.

Can i assume that your team Dulwich hamlet is a racist club because many a Millwall fan have them as a second club and go to games when aren't playing? Millwall fans have been going to Dulwich for decades and long before it became trendy to latch onto them.

I've been to hundred of away games with Millwall and have witnessed complete fuckwits spend an entire game doing Monkey impressions aimed at my black mates. For a so called racist club we seem to have a large percent age of black fans compared to many other. That fact is ignored whilst the boot is being stuck in. Strange that. Perhaps the tired old perceptions are not representative of the actual lazy stereotypes and truth.
 
While there are no set criteria to measure clubs based on Racism, specific teams like Chelsea and Millwall have consistently made headlines for racist behavior by their fans
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So headlines such as us being accused of singing Zeig heil when the truth which came with an apology was Brighton fans singing seagulls are now a barometer for how racist a footb all club is. Fucking hell how desperate. If you want some proper facts on arrests and bans for racist behaviour you need to look at the stas provide by the old bill.

Can i assume that your team Dulwich hamlet is a racist club because many a Millwall fan have them as a second club and go to games when aren't playing? Millwall fans have been going to Dulwich for decades and long before it became trendy to latch onto them.

I've been to hundred of away games with Millwall and have witnessed complete fuckwits spend an entire game doing Monkey impressions aimed at my black mates. For a so called racist club we seem to have a large percent age of black fans compared to many other. That fact is ignored whilst the boot is being stuck in. Strange that. Perhaps the tired old perceptions are not representative of the actual lazy stereotypes and truth.
What are Dulwich doing about all the Millwall in their ranks :D

And yes, most of my dad's mates are/were both
 
Erm, it's not "pretending", I've been going to the den week in week out for 40 years. Is there racists in the crowd, of course. There's racists everywhere sadly. Is it a defining feature of the club and an undercurrent and lurks behind every corner, no. It's far from it. Far far from it. Millwall is Millwall and its far far more complex as a club than the image you probably have of it in your mind. And if you live in London, go. For a few games, you'd start to see what I mean. See how the crowd react to black players, staff and black fans. (Hint: the same way they react to the white ones - unless they are Millwall hero's like so many past black players from Danny Shittu to John Fashanu - then they are adored). It has it's ways and culture and weird mannerisms but none of which are a kind of implicit or explicit racism. Anyway, I've gone into the knee thing in depth here and won't repeat. You have your view of the club, I have mine.
You're wasting your time. You know what it's like down there and so do i and that's what matters most.
 
You're wasting your time. You know what it's like down there and so do i and that's what matters most.
Yep as said, they will breathe a massive sigh of relief when we are eventually turned into flats, their campaigning and broadcasting of how institutionally racist the club is on threads like this will be work well done.
 
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Yep as said, they will breathe a massive sigh of relief when we are eventually turned into flats, their campaigning and broadcasting of how institutionally racist the club is on threads like this will be work well done.
Whilst the lazy stereotyping continues clubs with a history of connections to far right groups continue to get free a pass and carry on unchallenged. Chelsea who's rinngleaders were/are prominent members of such groups as combat 18, bnp and the NF and are still active today albeit under a different guise/monicker. The club is still a favored place for recruiting. Plenty of clubs up north also rife with full on extremists and again prime targets for recruiting. My experience of Millwall being infiltrated and used to recruit is those that tried were beaten to pulps and sent packing. There was few that turned up a few seasons ago in the carpark with there leaflets. Both renowned Chelsea thugs and former combat 18 members. The pair of them were kicked and punched around the carpark and also sent sent packing.
 
While there are no set criteria to measure clubs based on Racism, specific teams like Chelsea and Millwall have consistently made headlines for racist behavior by their fans
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So headlines such as us being accused of singing Zeig heil when the truth which came with an apology was Brighton fans singing seagulls are now a barometer for how racist a footb all club is. Fucking hell how desperate. If you want some proper facts on arrests and bans for racist behaviour you need to look at the stas provide by the old bill.

Can i assume that your team Dulwich hamlet is a racist club because many a Millwall fan have them as a second club and go to games when aren't playing? Millwall fans have been going to Dulwich for decades and long before it became trendy to latch onto them.

I've been to hundred of away games with Millwall and have witnessed complete fuckwits spend an entire game doing Monkey impressions aimed at my black mates. For a so called racist club we seem to have a large percent age of black fans compared to many other. That fact is ignored whilst the boot is being stuck in. Strange that. Perhaps the tired old perceptions are not representative of the actual lazy stereotypes and truth.
So after you realised that you were making a total arse of yourself going on about Cardiff, you're now going on about Dulwich Hamlet.

A club that has had zero arrests for racism. Great stuff!

Oh, and seeing as you're so keen to weirdly reference every club I support, more recently I've been seeing more and more of Peckham Town so no doubt you'll be assuring me that their support is stuffed full of Millwall fans too, yes?

PS Peckham Town arrests for racism = also zero.

Meanwhile: Arrest in Millwall racist abuse probe
 
So after you realised that you were making a total arse of yourself going on about Cardiff,
I haven't mentioned Cardiff at all.

Oh, and seeing as you're so keen to weirdly reference every club I support,
No. I'm using Dulwich as an example of how stupid the stereotyping of Millwall fans is. If we're all racist thugs and using the logic used here it means that so are other clubs that Millwall fans have as a second club. One being Dulwich. I'm just highlighting how fucking lazy and stupid some of the posts on this thread are.

I have never denied or tried to defend my clubs history of trouble. It's there for all to see. What i will challenge is the suggestion that we're still the same and an overtly racist fanbase. It simply isn't the case. I am the son of Irish parents that were spat at, verbally abused, kicked and punched on a regular basis in 1980's London. My black mates and parents got worse. My partner is Jamaican and has been on the end of it. I abhor racism in all its forms. I've bashed up more facists/racists than i can remember. If Millwall was anything like how it's painted in the media and by some on here i wouldn't step foot in the place.
 
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Meanwhile: Arrest in Millwall racist abuse probe
Just pointing out that Ashley Cole was racially abused at another match that day and was no where near Millwall. The headline would have you believe otherwise.

"On behalf of everyone at Swindon Town Football Club, we send out our heartfelt apologies to Ashley Cole, and it is with our deepest regret that you had to experience that last night.

Millwall are back in the news for more crowd trouble after their fans booed players who were taking the knee ahead of their game against Crystal Palace. They also subjected Conor Gallagher to homophobic abuse and threw a bottle at Michael Olise. On Friday, Ashley Cole was racially abused as he worked as a pundit for Swindon v Man City.​



A handful of arseholes sung a song that gets sung by many other clubs but goes unreported. The words are ' Chelseas rent boy ' . As for Ollise, he clapped a section of fans after the game. There was a lot of back and forth between the player and a section of fans in the seats where he was operating. There was no ill will or abuse aimed at the player. We appriciate a good player. He celebrated there goal in front of Millwall fans and applauded the same section when he left the pitch. Not a word about that. One arsehole throws something and grabs the headlines. Palace fans got the game stopped twice when they decided to throw smoke bombs at a Millwall section and on the pitch. There isn't a word about that in the report you linked!
 
I've probably already said it on this thread but Millwall categorially are not a racist club and I consider them rivals. Unfortunately their deserved reputation does attract some out of towners who are and only attend game for non footballing reasons. There was an undercover reporter who caught racist bile from a bloke during a game, he was from Hertfordshire or somewhere miles from South London.

There was a funny incident where a reporter claims there was racists chanting at a Brighton game. Turns out that not only were the Sieg Heils not from millwall supporters, but that they were chants of Seaguls from the away team!

Booing the knee was a stupid thing to do mind. The club issued a statement from the players before the claim saying it wasn't anything to do with BLM and was purely an anti-racist gesture. I guess they can't read. ;)
 
There was a funny incident where a reporter claims there was racists chanting at a Brighton game. Turns out that not only were the Sieg Heils not from millwall supporters, but that they were chants of Seaguls from the away team!
It's a bit like when stupid people used to claim that Cardiff fans were singing "You Black Bastard" when they were in fact singing "You Jack Bastard" (The 'Jacks' being Swansea's nickname), and only sang it when an ex-Swansea player was on the ball.

I don't think Millwall are a racist club either, btw - the club's made a huge effort to make that clear - but there's certainly a vocal minority there. Most clubs have the same thing too, but I'd suggest that a few lunkheads are attracted by Millwall's reputation, even if it's now outdated.
 
but I'd suggest that a few lunkheads are attracted by Millwall's reputation, even if it's now outdated.
You are absolutely correct. It is sadly the case. Usually rear their ugly heads at Wembley play off game.s A game that we have asked the club not to sell tickets to non members/ season ticket holders because they end up going to divs that have little or no connection to our club but feel they must play up because it's us. It's a game where many Millwall fans avoid because it attracts all sorts of fuckwits and schlongs.

I don't think Millwall are a racist club either, btw - the club's made a huge effort to make that clear
Thankyou. As do us fans who, contrary to those that lazily stereotype and ridicule do care and will not stand for racist chanting or behavior. We do have fans that are involved with Antifa, they don't hide, they display there flag and are highly respected for what they do in our clubs name.
 
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There was a funny incident where a reporter claims there was racists chanting at a Brighton game. Turns out that not only were the Sieg Heils not from millwall supporters, but that they were chants of Seaguls from the away team!
Have posted that on here. Sadly the damage is done once the headline goes public. It was a complete hatchet job and embarrassing for the arsehole that was sent by the Sun newspaper of all people. The same outlet that hacks the phones of dead people but has the cheek to call us scum!
 
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