BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
It would get on your tits as well after a while, year after year, decade after decade, especially if you knew other clubs were up to the same. Admit it would.
Millwall fans conform with stereotype shocker ....
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ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
I was taking issue with the "promise" of racism not being "suffered" by the majority,, nothing to do with % of fan base
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
It would amuse me, and you'd probably give up after a few frothy pages!
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
majority of whom? I'd assumed fans at a game.
I was taking issue with the "promise" of racism not being "suffered" by the majority,, nothing to do with % of fan base
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
the fans, I didn't say it BigMoaner did!
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Nope. I'm just trying to understand your usual snide hit and run contribution. What don't you understand about- If there was racist remarks/ chanting in the stands by someone it wouldn't be tolerated?
Fucking hell, you really are a shit stirring disingenuous and slightly paranoid piece of work. How do i know that you're not a racist? Is it okay for me to presssume that your a racist because you aren't sitting next to me? I can only write what i know. If you want to be a cunt and ask daft questions instead of being straight by saying you don't believe me that's up to you. You have your mind made up fair enough. I'm not here trying to convince anyone of anything i'm just talking about my experiences as a fan of 46 years and how the press deal with us and how they often make up shit about us. The arsehole sent by the Sun to the Brighton game being one example. If you want to believe a stooge working for the Sun then fine. I'm just putting the record straight with the actual truth.
The only time me and you converse is when your trying to imply something or accuse me of being something i'm not by asserting i'm being defensive or one of many other things. You'll then go to deny that whilst trying to tie up in knots who ever your next target of suspicion is. It's boring, predictale and very very sad. We're trying to have a discussion about a serious subject, we don't need anyone swiping and stirring the pot from the sidelines.
Your next step is to come back with a load of questions whilst playing the innocent who me role. Don't bother.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
That's his game/ MO. If you can't provide the evidence that HE DEMANDS you've lost and he's won and then probably fists bumps the air to top it off. It's so fucking infantile and embarrassing and ruins a good/ important debate. Yes we know you've already made your mind up that we're all racists so you don't have shit all over the thread by trying to prove it by trying to trip people up. Pathetic.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
I said that and stand by that ya devious twisted oik. If i said racism is tolerated and accepted by Welsh football fans you'd be on here doing what me and Big Moaner are doing. You wouldn't be fucking twisting things and so quick to dismiss then. Again, absolutely pathetic and very very sly. Racism is not accepted or tolerated by most people. You don't need fucking proof or to be able to promise that you fucking idiot. You're a nasty and very unlikable shit stirer. You've only come on this thread to shit stir and get kicks.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Rumbled. Off you fuck.and
Way OTT
Laters
Pretty sure Millwall were the first team (if there even are any others) to stop taking the knee following the crowd loudly booing the players doing it.
That seems at best unfortunate for the apparent argument that Millwall has no issue and is same as other clubs etc.
What's the line for this? It was because BLM are marxists? Hmm.
That seems at best unfortunate for the apparent argument that Millwall has no issue and is same as other clubs etc.
What's the line for this? It was because BLM are marxists? Hmm.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
They obviously got the back problems from throwing eight thousand nazi salutes each during the game
8ball
Decolonise colons!
That taking the knee shit was well weird tbf. It was like George Floyd was killed by Tyrion Lannister.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
The England team took the knee at several games claiming they were against all forms of exploitation. They then went off to a world cup tournament in a country where exploitation of workers was rife. Several lives lost due to working conditions. Where they stone people to death. They wear kit and tracksuits made by companies that have form for using children in there sweatshops. The same players that make thousands from appearing in adverts for bookmakers that target youngsters and prey on the vulnerable. The down right hypocrisy and ignorance displayed by these people is shocking.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
It’s just PR.
When Colin Kaepernick took the knee, doing so came at a significant personal and professional cost.
When the England team did it, it was because it would have involved a personal and professional cost not to do so.
So it goes.
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BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
We don't want political messaging at the den was the main line from what I could tell on the forums. They would be the same if anyone rolled out a obvious political statement before each march. Millwall fans boo a lot of things, they are inward, parochial. I didn't like the booing, but I also understand that not everyone sees the world as I say it and it doesn't automatically make them racist cunts (though some may be). They wanted it replace it with the kick it out message which is plastered across the ground. And is a banner before kick off which is never bood.
So In your eyes then they are all racist cunts for not falling in line I guess? You must honour the knee before every football match you want to see? No shades of grey anywhere?
Does Wilf Zaha get a pass? He refuses to take the knee. Calling anyone a racist who doesn't want clear political messaging at football is just as decisive and reactionary as the booing itself.
What's your take?
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Sometimes I can see where their animosity to left wing causes might come from, what with every corrective sneering worthy jumping at the chance to put the boot in. Didn't applaud the knee week after week when you want to watch a game - you racist CUNTs. I thought left wing causes were about correcting material structures of power rather than calling working class people fascists with little or no insight whatsoever. Amazes me how some criminals get the soothing balm of "socio-economic factors" to explain the most horrendous behaviour, but not if you're a "type" like a Millwall fan.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
As a statement, a slogan, an umbrella for a group of organisations, as every one of those organisations and/or as a property portfolio?
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
As an idea. I fully support it.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
You mean as a statement?
Because you’d have to be a pretty hardcore racist to not agree with that.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Yes, and there's plenty who do think black lives are literally worth less. Do I think every person who boo'd it at the den believes black people are worth less. No. Just like I am old enough now to see that those who want less migration in the country are also not necessarily all racist (though plenty are). It's reactionary.
Do you think everyone who boo'd it thinks black people are worth less? I think it's slightly more complex than that.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
No, I was trying to make the point that I don’t think that.
Or was getting around to it..
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Plenty around me just stayed silent. Others carried on chatting to there mates as normal and some booed. It was unsurprisingly reported as though the whole crowd booed, far from it.
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BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Yep, none of my lot did. It depressed me because it came out of nowhere and it was toxic. Honest to god I can't remember the last time I heard a racist chant at Millwall and then this. But the more I listened to the actual complaint on the forums and the letters to the club saying why they didn't want to see it every game I realised that it was more complex than I was assuming. The forums were filled mainly with "why are we having politics thrust in our faces at the den" not "fucking black cunts, get out of our club". I'm sure there were also shadowy fash types lurking amongst them, but I am also sure that not everyone who boo'd was a racist cunt. There was the occasional "Marxist" line trotted out which was just nonsense (would love to hear old Karl's take on modern day identity politics) but then I'm old enough and sharp enough to not call every "anti Marxist" (whatever the fuck that is) a racist cunt.
But that's where pbsmooth comes in and explains it to us.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Yeh, maybe 30% boo'd I'd say. And of that 30% they all want to abuse black players and fans and stewards, right, because they are all racist.
Millwall is like a projection catcher of every liberal left fear going. Horrible racist sun reader - that's a Millwall fan. Horrible nazi sympathiser - that's a Millwall fan. Reality is different, so what we're seeing in this thread is the projections of others not the actual reality. It's the psyches of those viewing the object, in this case Millwall. It's convenient, it provides a place where all those fears can sit quite comfortably. Has nothing to do with the very real structures of power that cause racism in the first place. And it has little or nothing to do with Millwall fans themselves. It's therapy.
Trust me if Millwall was a shit tip of EDL types in would be the first to walk. But it isnt. So I don't.
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