Millwall fans conform with stereotype shocker ....
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planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
I'm sorry, it was 30 years ago, Millwall isn't my club and I don't remember his name. But I know for sure it was 1990, because I know where I was working and who with. Please don't even try and suggest (not that you have yet) that I'm just making this up. It definitely happened, and it definitely happened in 1990 (or at the least, the back end of 1989).
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I can recollect a few players who were loathed by the support and who got stick.
But you assert I think that this player got stick because of racism?
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I didn't think I was being coy about that.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Well does anyone have any idea about which player then?
Athos
Well-Known Member
Got a feeling it might be Steve Antrobus.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
He scored loads of goals for us. He was with the club a while. He did get booed a lot by some. Including ugly racist shit once at Selhurst I think. Loads loved him though inc me.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Thanks.
Athos
Well-Known Member
TopCat
Putin fanboy
He certainly was loathed by much of the support inc many who expressed that in a racist manner.
The problem with labelling Millwall a racist club is, apart from the fact it's not true, it gives an impression to racist cunts that they will have a welcome there making it harder to tackle.
Athos
Well-Known Member
I'm not saying Millwall is a racist club. I know more than one committed anti-fascist who is a season ticket holder. And I agree that it's a tactically poor idea. But, equally, let's not pretend it hasn't had a long and ugly history of a significant racist element, some of which persists to a greater extent than it does in some other clubs.
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hiraethified
The volume of booing for players taking the knee sure sent out a loud welcoming message to racists, though.
I'll be honest: if Millwall was my club and this kind of shit was going on in 2020, I'd stop going.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
What just give up? Leave them unchallenged?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Frankly speaking this week has been shit for the club. I really felt for our black players reading their reactions over the last few days.
It makes me more likely to go to the football. Get a ticket for block 19 and see what happens.
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hiraethified
Mate, this is going on for decades and what happened recently was fucking rock bottom. It wasn't the odd bad apple. It sounded like a substantial part of the crowd - all season ticket holders -who think it's OK to boo an anti-racist statement. I can't think of any reason why I would want to spend money and listen to that kind of shit on a regular basis. I just wouldn't enjoy the experience.
And the sad thing is that I know the club has tried really hard to kick out the racist cunts, but there comes a point where I'd go: 'I'm out.'
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
A place where racist things have been happening for 50 years, where monkey chants have been heard regularly into the 21st century, a place where I saw fans jumping up and down on the "kick racism out" hoarding, where a steward here says it wasn't safe in the family stand, where taking a knee gets booed.
If it isn't a racist club, it's one that's still got a racism problem so noticeable and so persistent that it's clearly not going to get solved.
Just give up yeah. The alternative is carrying on supporting them, and they clearly aren't worth it. Do you want another couple of decades of this?
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Thank you.
nah just be prepared when they come to town, like Moss Side was in 1998
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
Presumably, he will not be engaging in the support of any pre-trial rituals on the terraces signifying opposition to racism:
Teenage football fan admits racially abusing Jewish man after Euro 2020 match
Teenage football fan admits racially abusing Jewish man after Euro 2020 match
TopCat
Putin fanboy
You never reply but I have to ask, what the fuck has this to do with Millwall you shit stirring wanker?
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hiraethified
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
millwall is not a racist club in that they demand from their fans to sign up to ukip, or hte national front. millwall is a multicultural club, with legions of black players passing through its ranks, and millwall has loads of black fans, many of which known throughout the crowd and loved (Tiny, is one example). Most millwall fans grew up in multicultural areas and have more black mates than most of the white liberals who just put them in the racist catagory. Go to any millwall pub and you will see black and white mates. I probably hear one or two racist comments a year down there, normally in the bogs where about 1k of folk are crammed in having a fag. Is that any different from a sample of any other london club i could choose? if it was a seeting cess pit of racist slurs and hatred, i would have stopped going 35 years ago. the booing is happening up and down the country and it's horrible. but i refuse to put the club itself in some sort of far right cess pit catagory - because it just isn't. very few people understand millwall unless they are supporters. they are a club built around old white working class communities based around SE london. it is not a club of fair weather fans or day trippers. you're either all in or not. the last thing that club is built around is some sort of sick "white idenity" bullshit. it's built around the communiteis that (once - although many still live locally) existed around the ground. All the accents are the same. everyone knwos the same pubs. Millwall football club is loved by lefties, righties, black, and white - why - simply because of one reason - they were highly likely born into it. and they know it like the back of their hand. they know all the strange memes, and history and culture that surrounds it. it's a truly beautiful thing and i hope to god it'll be in existance for the another 100 years. Don't Kill the Lion.
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
Not the fans this time - but now Millwall Football Club's Head of Recruitment and Talent ID, Barry Dunn, has been suspended by The Football Association from all football and football related activity for eight weeks with immediate effect, fined £525, ordered to attend a mandatory face-to-face education programme and has received a reprimand and warning as to his future conduct, for a breach of misconduct in relation to social media activity.
Barry Dunn admitted the charge and his sanctions were subsequently imposed by an Independent Regulatory Commission following a personal hearing.
According to Barry Dunn:
"Having reviewed the offending re-tweet again with the wonderful benefit of hindsight, I can now see how its message would cause offence to people, both within and outside the Islamic faith. As I go on to explain, this was not how I viewed the post on the evening of 15 March (2023). Nevertheless, I can now see that the post’s message is discriminatory and offensive"
The Independent Regulatory Commission also took account of the numerous character references and other positive statements about Barry Dunn's character and work put forward his behalf, as well as Millwall's Head of Recruitment and Talent ID's age (he is 71 years old) and that he has been suspended (on full pay) from his duties at Millwall since 15 May 2023.
(Source: as stated in image)
The Independent Regulatory Commission also stated that persons who occupy leadership positions of trust and responsibility in the coaching and management of football are "role models for many others and have the ability to shape the culture and lead change in and outside of their clubs". They also noted that "This is particularly so when a person is Head of Academy Recruitment at a club and who is involved with players under the age of 18."
There is more information regarding the case here.
Barry Dunn admitted the charge and his sanctions were subsequently imposed by an Independent Regulatory Commission following a personal hearing.
According to Barry Dunn:
"Having reviewed the offending re-tweet again with the wonderful benefit of hindsight, I can now see how its message would cause offence to people, both within and outside the Islamic faith. As I go on to explain, this was not how I viewed the post on the evening of 15 March (2023). Nevertheless, I can now see that the post’s message is discriminatory and offensive"
The Independent Regulatory Commission also took account of the numerous character references and other positive statements about Barry Dunn's character and work put forward his behalf, as well as Millwall's Head of Recruitment and Talent ID's age (he is 71 years old) and that he has been suspended (on full pay) from his duties at Millwall since 15 May 2023.
(Source: as stated in image)
The Independent Regulatory Commission also stated that persons who occupy leadership positions of trust and responsibility in the coaching and management of football are "role models for many others and have the ability to shape the culture and lead change in and outside of their clubs". They also noted that "This is particularly so when a person is Head of Academy Recruitment at a club and who is involved with players under the age of 18."
There is more information regarding the case here.
sorry to break it to you but 99% of the proper hardcore football fans would say the same thing about their club and community. just without the same history of racism and trouble.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
So given all that, accepting as it’s all true. What’s your view? I say this as when I was a teenager and liked to row at Millwall, we mainly attacked the police and the leader of the firm at the time was a Jamaican born boxer.Not the fans this time - but now Millwall Football Club's Head of Recruitment and Talent ID, Barry Dunn, has been suspended by The Football Association from all football and football related activity for eight weeks with immediate effect, fined £525, ordered to attend a mandatory face-to-face education programme and has received a reprimand and warning as to his future conduct, for a breach of misconduct in relation to social media activity.
Barry Dunn admitted the charge and his sanctions were subsequently imposed by an Independent Regulatory Commission following a personal hearing.
According to Barry Dunn:
"Having reviewed the offending re-tweet again with the wonderful benefit of hindsight, I can now see how its message would cause offence to people, both within and outside the Islamic faith. As I go on to explain, this was not how I viewed the post on the evening of 15 March (2023). Nevertheless, I can now see that the post’s message is discriminatory and offensive"
The Independent Regulatory Commission also took account of the numerous character references and other positive statements about Barry Dunn's character and work put forward his behalf, as well as Millwall's Head of Recruitment and Talent ID's age (he is 71 years old) and that he has been suspended (on full pay) from his duties at Millwall since 15 May 2023.
(Source: as stated in image)
The Independent Regulatory Commission also stated that persons who occupy leadership positions of trust and responsibility in the coaching and management of football are "role models for many others and have the ability to shape the culture and lead change in and outside of their clubs". They also noted that "This is particularly so when a person is Head of Academy Recruitment at a club and who is involved with players under the age of 18."
There is more information regarding the case here.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Cadiff boys singing you jack bastard or sometimes when we went wales shouted you black bastards at some of my pals.
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hiraethified
Why are you bringing up a post of mine from 2 years ago in response to the news that Millwall's Head of Recruitment and Talent ID has just been suspended by The Football Association over racism?
And you know what 'Jack Bastard' means, yes? I've never heard your racist version being sung ever, but then I was only openly selling an anti racist comic on the terraces, so what would I know, eh?
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Yawn. Slow news day for you! No murders to report so an employee and not a fan of a football club is headline news. Get yourself over to Palace or Chelsea and highlight the in fighting between far right elements and antifa. If the geezer worked for Tesco's there'd be fuck all on here.Not the fans this time - but now Millwall Football Club's Head of Recruitment and Talent ID, Barry Dunn, has been suspended by The Football Association from all football and football related activity for eight weeks with immediate effect, fined £525, ordered to attend a mandatory face-to-face education programme and has received a reprimand and warning as to his future conduct, for a breach of misconduct in relation to social media activity.
Barry Dunn admitted the charge and his sanctions were subsequently imposed by an Independent Regulatory Commission following a personal hearing.
According to Barry Dunn:
"Having reviewed the offending re-tweet again with the wonderful benefit of hindsight, I can now see how its message would cause offence to people, both within and outside the Islamic faith. As I go on to explain, this was not how I viewed the post on the evening of 15 March (2023). Nevertheless, I can now see that the post’s message is discriminatory and offensive"
The Independent Regulatory Commission also took account of the numerous character references and other positive statements about Barry Dunn's character and work put forward his behalf, as well as Millwall's Head of Recruitment and Talent ID's age (he is 71 years old) and that he has been suspended (on full pay) from his duties at Millwall since 15 May 2023.
(Source: as stated in image)
The Independent Regulatory Commission also stated that persons who occupy leadership positions of trust and responsibility in the coaching and management of football are "role models for many others and have the ability to shape the culture and lead change in and outside of their clubs". They also noted that "This is particularly so when a person is Head of Academy Recruitment at a club and who is involved with players under the age of 18."
There is more information regarding the case here.
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