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Why do you think this sort of news shouldn't be reported on a relevant thread like this?
Millwall fans conform with stereotype shocker ....
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sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
It's news worthy but i can't see what the club can do about an employee retweeting a pile of bile. This thread was started because of fans behaviour. This current issue has fuck all to do with the fans but a random employee of a football club. As i said in my post if he's wanting to highlight racism in football then he needs to look beyond Millwall.
If i can be bothered later i'll educate him on how Millwall supporters fucked off Derek Beacon and other far right scumbag groups that tried to spread there shit outside the gates of our club. Yes we have some cunts that follow us, every club does but i can promise you that racism is not suffered by the majority of our fanbase which happens to be very diverse as you'd expect with it's locallity to Peckham, New cross, Lewisham etc. Our renowned firm was made up black, lads , lads or Turkish decent, lads of irish decent and also of scottish decent. Most if not all of our parents that came to this country were the targets and victims of fucking horrendous racism back in the 70's and 80's. We don't stand for it. We're portrayed as though the whole stadium is full of racists. That is not the case but the lazy media won't change it's way of portraying us. The premier league has several clubs with links to the far right but you won't see anything about that in the press. Don't bite the hands that feeds you- nothing to see here.
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
According to Millwall Football Club's own website, Mr Dunn is not merely "a random employee of a football club" but currently Millwall Football Club's "Head of Recruitment and Talent ID", a member of the club's senior management structure, who has been employed by the club since 2011.
The Independent Regulatory Commission appointed by the Football Association to investigate the matter clearly and accurately stated that persons who occupy leadership positions of trust and responsibility in the coaching and management of football are "role models for many others and have the ability to shape the culture and lead change in and outside of their clubs". They also noted that "This is particularly so when a person is Head of Academy Recruitment at a club and who is involved with players under the age of 18."
If a senior manager such as Mr Dunn sets such an example, can there be any surprise if and when supporters of the club "conform with the stereotype" associated with them?
In fairness to Mr Dunn, this is not the first such failure of leadership by management in the past couple of years:
Millwall fans boo taking of the knee as manager Rowett fails to condemn them
Even the club's own chief executive was forced to condemn these actions, notwithstanding the lack of support from the first team manager, who might also be fairly categorised as one of the "role models for many others and (who) have the ability to shape the culture and lead change in and outside of their clubs":
Millwall chief executive urges fans to stop booing players who take a knee as it is causing 'extensive damage'
No amount of profanities, deflection or tales of what Millwall's supporters did about Derek Beacon 30 years ago is going to divert attention away from the poor example that Mr Dunn has been found to have set supporters of his club (and others in the football industry).
Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
That's because this isn't a thread about Tesco.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
We know. If you get any sharper you'll cut yourself.
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sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Yawn. No amount of facts will stop Millwall being painted in a certain way. Nothing about our community team that take kids off the streets away from the clutches of gangs and drug pushing set ups that replace missing fathers and role models. Nothing about the various awards won for our community work and for those trying to get Millwall away from there old image that is still lazily used as a stick to hit them with. Stereotypes that don't fit anymore apart from when ill informed people like you stick there nose in.
A so called racist club has a rather large amount of black families follow us. But they'd know more than a few outsiders with little or no knowledge of what we are.
Or two years ago when members of Britain first who tried to set up stall at the ground were kicked around the carpark and sent on there way.
We're doing our bit to rid this shit from society. We can't change the past. Sneer all you want. Ignorance is bliss.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
They'd have some history of racism and trouble wouldn't they though? I'm not aware of any clubs that don't have any of that history - I support Lincoln City and it's certainly been there at times. So where's the 'Millwall - not OK' cutoff?
To me the position is the same for any club really - surely you support those fans who are opposing racist goons because otherwise you just cede that space to said goons.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Absolutely. Deeming all the supporters of a club as racist does nothing to tackle racism at that club or anywhere else . It’s just a smug and often snide version of gesture politics .
In this particular case the culprits tweets were wholly unacceptable and the crucial issue for me would be that someone in the club’s hierarchy should have been on the case monitoring officials accounts . However Milwall fully cooperated with the enquiry and tbh the bloke is fortunate .
We should be 100% behind anti racists and anti fash at Millwall not lumping them in with the attitudes they are fighting .
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Thanky you. You won't see anything in the press about the hundred so of us that turned up at Football lads alliance meetings slapped them about and put them in there place. A set up started by a shitbag spurs fan and attended by cowardly fuckwits from many premier clubs. There wasn't one Millwall fan amongst them. No surrender? Ha they did that day. You'll never see that reported in the press. It doesn't sell copies. The premier is ignored by the press when racism is an isssue and reported because to many in the media have there noses in the trough- Don't bit the hands that feeds you!
Way back Millwall were always known to be a left leaning fanbase. That is true. Even today many of us lean that way. Eddie Dempsey a current union man, the late Bob crow. Many of us are from immigrant parentage. Our fathers fought the NF in Lewisham back in 1977 and elsewhere. There off spring- my generation have seen off many attempts by far right groups that have tried to recruit and spread there literature at our ground down the years.
In short- we just won't suffer them we never have. Do we have individuals that follow us that are racist, yes of course we do, we're no different than any other club. Are we a predomintly racist club? No. I and many others who i've known for years wouldn't be going if we were and we certainly wouldn't have introduced our kids and grankids to it.
This is a thread about Millwall but there isn't one post highlighting the good things we do for our community. Nothing about our various schemes and initiatives to help wayward youth. Nothing about the foodbanks that we run. And zero about our academy that is mainly made up black lads.
This an example of the shit we're up against. Clearly what were away fans in a seperate stand singing seagulls seagulls was reported the next day as Millwall fans signing sieg hiel sieg heil. Completely contrived and down right fucking lies but the damage is done. Mud sticks.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
This is what we're up against. Fans of these clubs either deny or turn a blind eye to what's going on around them. They'll quite happily point the finger elsewhere but do fuck all about what's happening in front of them at there own our shit don't stink clubs. Shameful.
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Cardiff City: Club condemn fan's racial abuse of Swansea City player
Cardiff City say they are "disgusted" by racist language from one of their supporters aimed at Swansea City's Michael Obafemi in a social media video.
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Palace pledge to ban fan after Son allegedly racially abused
Incident occured in the 89th minute
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Crystal Palace urged to condemn Democratic Football Lads Alliance
Letter signed by MPs warns rightwing group is spreading its message in local area
Karren Brady defends West Ham’s stance on Democratic Football Lads Alliance
West Ham’s vice-chair Karren Brady has defended her club’s record on fighting discrimination and says singling out the DFLA gives them ‘oxygen and publicity’
Karren Brady defends West Ham’s stance on Democratic Football Lads Alliance
West Ham’s vice-chair Karren Brady has defended her club’s record on fighting discrimination and says singling out the DFLA gives them ‘oxygen and publicity’
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
And the irony is is that at Millwall there is very little to oppose. The odd comment over heard maybe once, twice a season. The juvenile pathetic view loved by brunching liberals that it is some seething edl cesspit...when really I would think it's no worse than the vast majority of clubs and a lot better than many. I'd love for some of these folk to go into a Millwall pub and see wall fans with their black mates and say how racist they all are and the club they love is. These folk grew up together FFS unlike most of the Cosmopolitan flat white brigade that judge the club over and over. Reminds me of when there'd be one shooting at a garage rave back in the day so everyone associated with garage and it's clubs were somehow linked to gang violence. It's such a juvenile reductive view. It's an insult tbh to think that Millwall fans like me and Bob crow and sealion (and our fathers no doubt) would even entertain the idea of going if it was some kind of seething edl cesspit. Grow up!
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
I remember playing palace a few years back and zaha on the wing. He was getting abused non stop. Literally the whole stand on that side giving him verbals, chanting. I remember saying to my mate "listen out for all the racist abuse and chants". Knowing - because ei have been going 40 years - there wouldn't be. There was of course none, I was being sarcastic. He was given gip because he is a Nigel, a flash Harry, and a bloody good player. He looked like he was enjoying it tbh.
Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
So you do care that no one like you.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Yes. "Look how anti racist and worthy I am by weighing in on Millwall before casually moving onto the next cause. " Forget all grey areas, the people who follow it, the good it does. Let's just call it a racist institution and feel good about it.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
I do. I don't like to be associated with racists, for a start.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Likes* That chant was started a long long time ago in response to journo's that were writing lies about us. Basically write what you bloody well want cause nothing will change. The Sun have hated us since what happened at Wapping back in the 80's when Rupert Murdoch fucked over the print workers. As i've said, Millwall was very much a left leaning club support wise back then. Lots of Millwall worked in the print and were union men. They along with there comrades fought pitch battles with the old bill that were sent in by Thatcher to dispesre them and break the strikes. Since then the Sun have printed all sorts of shit about us. It's water off a ducks back. We know what we are and that's all that matters. You won't hear or read about the anti facist group that we formed nor the time we spend talking to disenchanted young lads that are prime targets for far right groups that use football as a recruiting ground.
No. I care not a multitude of fucks whether we're liked or not. Why would i? It's not very common for football fans to be liking rival clubs is it? It's all part of the tribalism, rivalry and pantomime that comes with following a team. Do you care that people think that your club is ramped out with arseholes and that your ultra's are considered to be a pathetic laughing stock by most football fans? I very much doubt it and rightly so.
What i do care about and what irks me is cunts like the one sent by the fucking Sun newspaper to do a hatchet job on us by writing complete lies and labelling us as racists. He was that fucking thick and hell bent on stitching us up that he wasn't aware the chants of seagulls, seagulls were coming from the away end. They were singing Brighton songs yet he blamed it on Millwall fans who were no where near that stand. How could he come to the conclusion that they were singing seig heil when that even sounds different to how Brighton fans chant seagulls seagulls? But that doesn't matter to people and the damage is done. I care when my 12 year old son comes home from school in tears because he's been called a racist by other kids when he tells them who he supports. There is no hiding from the fact the we have had and do have our fair share of numpties that latch on to us. I'll be the first to admit that just the same way i'll defend us when the same old tired, lazy, ill informed and generic shit is written about us.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
What are you aiming or trying to stir now? What don't you understand about me stating that racism will not be tolerated if it happened and that our fanbase is a diverse one which should come as no surprise being in multi cultural south London? We're not in Chelsea who have a very large, well healed and white fanbase.How can you "promise you that racism is not suffered by the majority of our fanbase which happens to be very diverse as you'd expect" ???
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
no, defensive much?
I asked how you can "promise you that racism is not suffered by the majority of our fanbase which happens to be very diverse as you'd expect"?
How do you even know if others are/n't unless you are next to them?
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
They should ask Jimmy Abdou what it was like playing for such a horrible racist institution full of salivating edl types.
That has " I'm not racist I have black mates" energy, but actually, ask him, maybe dig a bit deeper to get a truer reflection on the club.
Nevermind though, I'm sure we'll be turned into flats soon and the liberals can give a sigh of relief that they can qauf their olive bread and lattes in peace away from all those horrible racist Millwall fans. Forget that's it's a working class community that actually was adored by tens of thousands for over a century, father to son. Decade after decade. Racist club ban them!
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
You should be setting up monitoring stations sealion if you really want to catch those racists. Why don't you go to Millwall draig and listen for racist comments? You hate racism, right, so do something about it? With social media these days you could probably go viral. Or maybe it's less of hating racism and more to having a bee in your bonnet about Millwall? Go to the next game, catch some racists. I'd expect nothing less from a commited anti racist. If not, why not? If not, you can't hate racism that much.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
jesus wept, listen to yourself, I was asking you to back up what you said, nothing else
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
That's not my job to do that, says he, I'm sure. Well is it the clubs job to control what comes out of folks mouths?
I mean they have bugged the stands anyway, watch CCTV constantly, ban hundreds per year, work constantly in almost entirely diverse communities, have phone lines advertised all round the ground to report racist language. They work with the police non stop.
But none of that is enough is it, you want to see this working class institution driven into the ground, right?
I mean they have bugged the stands anyway, watch CCTV constantly, ban hundreds per year, work constantly in almost entirely diverse communities, have phone lines advertised all round the ground to report racist language. They work with the police non stop.
But none of that is enough is it, you want to see this working class institution driven into the ground, right?
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
no, do you listen in then?, is that how you can "promise you that racism is not suffered by the majority of our fanbase"?
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
I can't promise anything because my ears can't be everywhere at the same time, like I can't promise anyone that they won't suffer racism in sainsburys.
no, do you listen in then?, is that how you can "promise you that racism is not suffered by the majority of our fanbase"?
So therefore according to you Millwall is a racist shit hole?
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
So best not to say "promise you that racism is not suffered by the majority of our fanbase" then I guess eh? If you can't promise like
No, that's your own twisted logic
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Last time I wrnt to Cardiff in the late 90s, there was literally thousands of Cardiff fans trying to smash their way into the away end. The "lump of concrete game" where Millwall families were having lumps of concrete slung at them outside the ground. Or when Cardiff smashed up the old Kent road for a nothing evening cup game. We should start a thread about Cardiff fans violence I reckon.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Go ahead
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
At least 51% of the fan base not being racist seems a fairly innocuous statement to me. Do you disagree with that?
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