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stethoscope said:
Trans critical discourse has been predominant for twenty years in the UK - where blogs that were once considered fringe and extreme now get quoted as mainstream, and Grauniad ramping it up with Bindel and Burchill, the Mail, to the Times, Telegraph, New Statesman, Spectator, and Spiked all at it the last few years. Woman's Place, Fairplay for Women, and supposed 'left' people have been readily engaging with Tory MPs and right-wing press amongst others for three years, making trans people feel unwelcome even in LGBT areas such as Canal Street, Manchester.

Now, I've been standing outside of this shit as much as possible, but seriously, fuck off with this shit that trans critical (bordering on transphobic) voices haven't had a voice. Bullshit.

And whilst I'm personally pretty unfazed by it, when I can't go to a radical space or bookfair without having flyers thrown at me with deliberately provocative shit in them not intended to have an 'honest debate' but basically to stir up division, fuck off with this nonsense.
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I'm not saying that any and all 'gender critical' voices have been blameless, or even worthwhile. That's true of some on the other side as well. What a lot of women think, however, is that policies on transgender issues have been created within organisations without any real discussion. This applies to the Labour Party, Green Party, Trades unions, sporting bodies, academic bodies etc. Then if they raise objections or have a differing opinions,( sometimes extreme, sometimes mild), they get no-platformed and the like. This perception is widely held and if untrue needs a better rejoinder than just 'fuck off'.
There have been attempts by some to close down women's opinions and meetings, with bomb threats, threatening phone calls to those hosting events, masked pickets, attempts to drown out speakers. You may think that kind of stuff is OK in this context. Perhaps you don't. I don't like it at all.
 
Kevbad the Bad said:
I'm not saying that any and all 'gender critical' voices have been blameless, or even worthwhile. That's true of some on the other side as well. What a lot of women think, however, is that policies on transgender issues have been created within organisations without any real discussion. This applies to the Labour Party, Green Party, Trades unions, sporting bodies, academic bodies etc. Then if they raise objections or have a differing opinions,( sometimes extreme, sometimes mild), they get no-platformed and the like. This perception is widely held and if untrue needs a better rejoinder than just 'fuck off'.
There have been attempts by some to close down women's opinions and meetings, with bomb threats, threatening phone calls to those hosting events, masked pickets, attempts to drown out speakers. You may think that kind of stuff is OK in this context. Perhaps you don't. I don't like it at all.
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Enough of this shit, I truly doubt your sincerity and don't think you've been honest with your intentions since you washed up here. Same as 'larry nobious', same as 'mochasoul', same as 'Judithb'. When you're challenged you have nothing - no historical context, no critical analysis, no proper experiences to relay, just the same old tired bigotry and second hand bullshit dressed up as "just trying to find my way through the division". I've had enough of that from what turns out two-faced posters on urban to ever be able to trust people on here again.

Off you fuck.
 
stethoscope said:
Enough of this shit, I truly doubt your sincerity and don't think you've been honest with your intentions since you washed up here. Same as 'larry nobious', same as 'mochasoul', same as 'Judithb'. And I've heard enough 'just trying to find my way through the division' shit from what turns out two-faced posters on urban to ever be able to trust people on here again.
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Well I'm sorry that's the case. I don't doubt your sincerity or honesty, you'll be pleased to know, but knowing my own sincerity and honesty in this matter I have no confidence in your judgement.
 
Kevbad the Bad said:
I'm not saying that any and all 'gender critical' voices have been blameless, or even worthwhile. That's true of some on the other side as well. What a lot of women think, however, is that policies on transgender issues have been created within organisations without any real discussion. This applies to the Labour Party, Green Party, Trades unions, sporting bodies, academic bodies etc. Then if they raise objections or have a differing opinions,( sometimes extreme, sometimes mild), they get no-platformed and the like. This perception is widely held and if untrue needs a better rejoinder than just 'fuck off'.
There have been attempts by some to close down women's opinions and meetings, with bomb threats, threatening phone calls to those hosting events, masked pickets, attempts to drown out speakers. You may think that kind of stuff is OK in this context. Perhaps you don't. I don't like it at all.
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You are completely delusional. The idea that their hasn’t been literally years of debates within the LP, TUs and academic bodies is just risible. There have been massive debates discussions and rows. Probably in the greens too. To claim the opposite means you have either drawn all your information from hate groups like A Woman’s Place, have had your head in the sand or are just a liar.
 
belboid said:
you have either drawn all your information from hate groups like A Woman’s Place, have had your head in the sand or are just a liar.
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Or live in the South West. I tell you, when I came home from the London Anarchist Bookfair back in 2017 hardly anyone I spoke to had much of an idea what I was talking about (yeah, I know).
 
Kevbad the Bad said:
Or live in the South West. I tell you, when I came home from the London Anarchist Bookfair back in 2017 hardly anyone I spoke to had much of an idea what I was talking about (yeah, I know).
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And yet you know of what must be hundreds of women who have been silenced in the unions, academic and sporting bodies, the labour and green parties and everywhere else. Astounding.
 
Anyway there's a thread already to talk about trans issues. The bookfair organisers have done a fucking good job to pull off anything at the moment, not least considering the whole thing looked dead in the water a couple of years ago. Maybe we could take it elsewhere if people want to and not trash this thread. (I know partly my fault for biting I'm sorry).
 
Kevbad the Bad said:
No you're not. I never said I had canvassed the opinions of hundreds of women. But lots of women feel that they were not involved in any discussion, not consulted. You may not like that, but tough.
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But where have you heard that from? That is what I am questioning. And wondering why you have only heard from women with a certain view. Almost as if you dont want to listen to someone with different views as you.
 
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