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London Anarchist bookfair 2020
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He seems like an idiot/drunkard, riding on his past academic glory . The way he dismissed my point about filters in universities was a give away . Probably never been front line in his life.
The Paddington station thing was a cute stunt but they don't seem have done much with it.
There's been a call out to resist the eviction tomorrow I think. Maybe they'll get a stay in the courts but I doubt it.
I support what they're doing but wish they'd used the platform to say something a bit more political than "We're not Extinction Rebellion".
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I see you're not unhappy about your point being dismissed, you're unhappy about the way it was derided.
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It is not an admiral. The notion universities and societies condition people is surely commonplace. All social institutions condition, all filter, all have their idiosyncratic norms. It is such a facile point to make it forces one to look at you as a mere tyro, an aspiring dilettante
whatever m8
I've already regurgitated this theory on this thread enough, and that was only to aid the hard of thinking. I've already made it perfectly clear 4 times that it is the effect of neo-liberalism on the values that people internalize in this society that has produced unbalanced politics that is disrupting anarchist stuff....and that I was only suggesting this to make the point there could be more tangible explanations than the one HS is accused of tweeting. I'm not going to do it again Picky.
I've already regurgitated this theory on this thread enough, and that was only to aid the hard of thinking. I've already made it perfectly clear 4 times that it is the effect of neo-liberalism on the values that people internalize in this society that has produced unbalanced politics that is disrupting anarchist stuff....and that I was only suggesting this to make the point there could be more tangible explanations than the one HS is accused of tweeting. I'm not going to do it again Picky.
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That's got to be the boldest bluff so far, literally putting the source (which does not contain the claimed content) right there in one's own post...
How people are expecting to go from this to a successful social revolution is completely beyond me. And why aren't we being accused of being anti-semitic conspiraloons, many of us have in this very thread mentioned the name "Soros" in one of our posts responding to someone else specifically bringing him up, by the same standard all of us should be getting accused of this.
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I agree you've vomited over this thread. Oh and you confuse assertion for substantiated argument.
I think "We're not Extinction Rebellion" is a pretty good position for a militant environmental group to start with. Look I agree that young activists can sometimes be annoying, we were, and they are rarely politically perfect. I despair of a lot of the ID politics stuff but its not all thats going on. I really objected to the accusations of lifestylism aimed at a lot of the movement in the 90s, but looking back I can fully understand and agree with much of that criticism. But that wasn't all that was going on either and the energy and achievements of that movement, whilst ultimately unsuccessful in over throwing capitalism, had value in the time and space in which they existed. That doesn't mean we shouldn't offer supportive criticism, or adhere to things which we don't believe or support, but I do think we need to try and look beyond internal splits and recognise that this is where we are, the radical left is moriband, the planet fucked, the far right are on the rise and capital is stronger than ever. So we either spend the next few years squabbling about trans rights, or who should or shouldnt be invited to bookfairs, or we get behind the people putting time and energy into things and in that process then perhaps a way forward to end these damaging conflicts will start to present itself.
I disagree, it just comes across as petulant and silly. Even when I was 22 year old mohicanned tree protestor/hunt sab I found Class War's empty posturing bit embarrassing for example.
I suspect the feeling was mutual. It didn't stop us getting out on the streets and doing stuff together though did it.
I doubt I was famous enough to embarass anyone!
There's a strong case to be made for anti capitalist militant environmental movement and I want GACF (worst name ever btw) to be making it. They don't need to mention XR at all.
Well, today I haven't instituted my own private police force to expel from the bookfair anyone not exactly on my side of some "split" or something. Does that count?
Well tbf they hardly do. They're twitter bio is "Climate struggle is class struggle", there is no obvious criticism of XR on their website and in fact they have tweeted in support of a couple of XR actions. Obviously the press are going to focus on the distinction between them and XR, and I think it's important they make that distinction and not give the impression that this is going to be more lying in the road waiting to get arrested, but it doesn't seem something they are obsessively pushing.
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...and I'll repeat this. Nothing in the last page has changed my mind on this.
Ok, I'm having a bad day, but still. A better world is possible, and yet...
She talks about transgender ideology, as does the piece she linked to in that thread, so whilst it doesn't contain that exact word the criticism still stands.
Are Green Anticap even into idpol?
I did not see her link to anything in that tweet nor mention "transgender" at all.
I don't disagree with the sentiment really. And this kind of shit meme is the culture now, I don't get it, I don't like it much, but then I'm grumpy and middle aged why would I. At least they aren't calling themselves a fucking donga tribe and juggling all over the place.
It's not up to me to "go out there" to find purported evidence for your claims. If you wanted to use the twitter thread as evidence you should've linked to it. So Helen appears to be arguing with someone promoting the ideology that biological sex is a choice and that sexism is because women choose to express a feminine gender role. What's your point here exactly? Seems like a wacky ideology to me too, no wonder she'd argue against it.
This is so typical. It transpires you haven't even been talking about the same thing as everyone else and instead of acknowledging this and revisting your position accordingly it's all well what about this other thing then eh eh. Which is why I'm done with you, I don't believe you have any interest in constructive debate and I certainly don't believe you give a shit about the anarchist bookfair so thats it from me.
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What a surprise.
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