London Anarchist bookfair 2020

[Fozzie Bear]

Why is it that I, a random person on the internet who demands proof of extraterrestrial life on a thread about the anarchist bookfair, gets so few likes compared to a long-standing and much loved poster?

could it be me?

Or is it just that anarchists can’t handle the truth? Yes, yes, it must be that.

 

[Larry Noppius]

Why is it that I, a random person on the internet who demands proof of extraterrestrial life on a thread about the anarchist bookfair, gets so few likes compared to a long-standing and much loved poster?

could it be me?

Or is it just that anarchists can’t handle the truth? Yes, yes, it must be that.

Oh I see, it's a popularity contest. Sorry, i mistakenly took it for agreement with the arguments expressed therein. Silly mistake to make, my bad.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Oh I see, it's a popularity contest. Sorry, i mistakenly took it for agreement with the arguments expressed therein. Silly mistake to make, my bad.

There are a number of factors at play. Stick around and be less of a dickhead and you might understand them eventually.

 

[Larry Noppius]

There are a number of factors at play. Stick around and be less of a dickhead and you might understand them eventually.

No thanks, I'm not interested in whatever arbitrary social norms you demand me to abide by (the "be less of a dickhead" part) or whatever social credit system that you've set up to measure it (the "factors at play" in likes). Indeed, unless these likes express agreement with a particular argument I couldn't care less about them. You've made clear that they don't, hence I'll just ignore them.

 

[Larry Noppius]

By the way, it could be argued that really being a dickhead is making a bunch of crackpot claims and then, when the obviously coming flak hits, to try to deflect it onto random transgender people. But then of course "being a dickhead" is a subjective notion, hence why you don't see me complaining about someone "being a dickhead" even though I think at least some people here are.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Thanks for that, Mr Logic.

 

[chilango]

No thanks, I'm not interested in whatever arbitrary social norms you demand me to abide by (the "be less of a dickhead" part) or whatever social credit system that you've set up to measure it (the "factors at play" in likes). Indeed, unless these likes express agreement with a particular argument I couldn't care less about them. You've made clear that they don't, hence I'll just ignore them.

Why are you here then?

 

[Pickman's model]

By the way, it could be argued that really being a dickhead is making a bunch of crackpot claims and then, when the obviously coming flak hits, to try to deflect it onto random transgender people. But then of course "being a dickhead" is a subjective notion, hence why you don't see me complaining about someone "being a dickhead" even though I think at least some people here are.

Complaining without complaining

 

[Larry Noppius]

Why are you here then?

You can seriously not imagine any other reason to be here other than to gather likes? Personally I got on here because I read on facebook (I think) someone saying that the new bookfair organizers were abusing their blocking/deleting mechanisms on social media to effectively falsify debate. Given that this mechanism wasn't available on this place, or at least not directly controlled by said organizers, I decided to test here. Sure enough, after my first post I noticed that my posts suddenly required moderator approval (I can only assume that Rhydiccal had reported me) which was removed again shortly later. Then one thing just kind of led to another.

 

[Larry Noppius]

Complaining without complaining

Oh I'm complaining alright, just not with random ad homs about people "being a dickhead" or something.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh I'm complaining alright, just not with random ad homs about people "being a dickhead" or something.

Are you such a whinger irl?

 

[chilango]

You can seriously not imagine any other reason to be here other than to gather likes?

Gathering likes? or expressing gestures of solidarity within a community?

If you're not interested in our "social norms" then why join us?

There's plenty of other places for individualised and anonymous expression. It's a little different here with a long-standing commitment to online (and offline) community and the values that come with that.

 

[Larry Noppius]

Gathering likes? or expressing gestures of solidarity within a community?

Whatever you want to call it. Personally I'm using the mechanism to indicate agreement with a particular argument or point, but I don't see why you or anyone else couldn't use it for whatever other reason you want. Of course, that's using the heinous assumptions of individualized expression rather than social conformity.

If you're not interested in our "social norms" then why join us?

You seriously can't imagine any other reason to register and participate on a forum thread than the desire to be taught a particular social conformity by the people who happened to already have been on that forum?

There's plenty of other places for individualised and anonymous expression.

I wasn't aware of places one could argue with the new organizers of the bookfair such that they didn't directly control the blocking & deletion mechanism. Clearly, if such a place were available and known to me (one still isn't, you haven't actually pointed at one) then it would have been preferable if it indeed also allowed individualized expression.

It's a little different here with a long-standing commitment to online (and offline) community and the values that come with that.

When we were teenagers a friend of mine was with the Jehovah's witnesses for a while, and one time I went along to one of their meetings to check it out. There was this guy delivering a lecture about how General Relativity proved that God exists using the usual crackpot stuff. When I pointed this out after the lecture to my friend and a couple of people I was surprised to find out that they defended it on the grounds that it gave them some sort of community feeling. Serious question though: Is responsibility one of those community values? Because it seems, to me, that going around making crackpot claims while hiding behind transgender people could be considered highly irresponsible. You know, for the flak it will obviously generate.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I don't see why you or anyone else couldn't use it for whatever other reason you want.

How generous of you.

 

[chilango]

Whatever you want to call it. Personally I'm using the mechanism to indicate agreement with a particular argument or point, but I don't see why you or anyone else couldn't use it for whatever other reason you want. Of course, that's using the heinous assumptions of individualized expression rather than social conformity.



You seriously can't imagine any other reason to register and participate on a forum thread than the desire to be taught a particular social conformity by the people who happened to already have been on that forum?



I wasn't aware of places one could argue with the new organizers of the bookfair such that they didn't directly control the blocking & deletion mechanism. Clearly, if such a place were available and known to me (one still isn't, you haven't actually pointed at one) then it would have been preferable if it indeed also allowed individualized expression.



When we were teenagers a friend of mine was with the Jehovah's witnesses for a while, and one time I went along to one of their meetings to check it out. There was this guy delivering a lecture about how General Relativity proved that God exists using the usual crackpot stuff. When I pointed this out after the lecture to my friend and a couple of people I was surprised to find out that they defended it on the grounds that it gave them some sort of community feeling. Serious question though: Is responsibility one of those community values? Because it seems, to me, that going around making crackpot claims while hiding behind transgender people could be considered highly irresponsible. You know, for the flak it will obviously generate.

How do you behave down the pub (or equivalent social situation)?

 

[Larry Noppius]

How do you behave down the pub (or equivalent social situation)?

However I want. What about you?

 

[editor]

You can seriously not imagine any other reason to be here other than to gather likes? Personally I got on here because I read on facebook (I think) someone saying that the new bookfair organizers were abusing their blocking/deleting mechanisms on social media to effectively falsify debate. Given that this mechanism wasn't available on this place, or at least not directly controlled by said organizers, I decided to test here. Sure enough, after my first post I noticed that my posts suddenly required moderator approval (I can only assume that Rhydiccal had reported me) which was removed again shortly later. Then one thing just kind of led to another.

Any new member whose first posts include links will be held in a moderation queue for the blazingly obvious reason that it's to stop spammers. If your first post had contained no links, it would have appeared immediately. Posts can also be moderated if their IP matches a banned poster or is on a net-wide blacklisted IP address.

Once the post is looked at - and found not to contain dodgy links or break the rules - it's published. If we didn't have this system in place, the place would be swamped with spam. Any third party trying to influence us as to what gets legally published here would be told to GTFO in no uncertain terms.

I trust this fully addresses your (misplaced) concerns.

 

[chilango]

However I want. What about you?

I try not to be a dick.

 

[Larry Noppius]

Any new member whose first posts include links will be held in a moderation queue for the blazingly obvious reason that it's to stop spammers. If your first post had contained no links, it would have appeared immediately. Posts can also be moderated if their IP matches a banned poster or is on a net-wide blacklisted IP address.

Once the post is looked at - and found not to contain dodgy links or break the rules - it's published. If we didn't have this system in place, the place would be swamped with spam. Any third party trying to influence us as to what gets legally published here would be told to GTFO in no uncertain terms.

I trust this fully addresses your (misplaced) concerns.

It does.

 

[Larry Noppius]

I try not to be a dick.

Well look at that, you behave how you want to and I behave how I want to, I don't see the problem. And you don't see me telling you to behave the way I behave, nor telling you the opposite, do you?

 

[chilango]

Well look at that, you behave how you want to and I behave how I want to, I don't see the problem. And you don't see me telling you to behave the way I behave, nor telling you the opposite, do you?

No.

I don't just behave how I want to. I consider the impact and consequences of my behaviour on others.

Whilst I don't always succeed I recognise and acknowledge a need to act socially (bringing us back to the social norms on here - e.g." likes" - that you contemptuously dismissed up thread).

 

[danny la rouge]

Well look at that, you behave how you want to and I behave how I want to, I don't see the problem. And you don't see me telling you to behave the way I behave, nor telling you the opposite, do you?

What nihilist infected Stirnerism is this? We’re social animals. If we behave like sensory-tourists we’d pretty soon find we have no community to misbehave towards.

 

[Lurdan]

 

[Larry Noppius]

No.

I don't just behave how I want to. I consider the impact and consequences of my behaviour on others.

That is trivially true, everyone considers the impact and consequences of their behaviour on others. For example I write in English on this forum, even though it is not my mother tongue, exactly because I have considered the impact and consequences it would have on others here if I were to do otherwise.

Whilst I don't always succeed I recognise and acknowledge a need to act socially (bring us back to the social norms on here - e.g." likes" - that you contemptuously dismissed up thread).

Why does it bother you so much that - oh the horror - a person might exist who doesn't fall all over themselves to conform to, or even have interest in, your particular behavioural norms? You don't see me whining that you "contemptuously dismissed" my proposal for the "likes" mechanism - ie as an indicator of agreement with arguments or points made rather than a social credit system. I simply inform people of the admittedly non-conforming - again, the horror - fashion in which I will continue using the mechanism and let you do your thing with it.

 

[chilango]

It bothers me when posters, such as yourself on this thread - but you are not special, you are not a beautiful and unique snowflake, in this regard. There's a sprinkling of similar posters across the boards - pontificate loudly and pointlessly more concerned with listening to their own voices in s dull debate club style than actually engaging with the people in the discussion.

To go back to the pub. You're sounding like the bloke propped up on the bar on his own, loudly sharing his opinions whilst everybody avoids making eye contact with him and sits in uncomfortable silence hoping he'll finish up and go home.

That's what bothers me.

 

[Larry Noppius]

What nihilist infected Stirnerism is this? We’re social animals. If we behave like sensory-tourists we’d pretty soon find we have no community to misbehave towards.

Well how lucky for this "nihilist infected Stirnerite" to have stumbled, through all of space and time, on exactly the right internet forum that had the true answer to harmonious society (apparently some sort of multi-factor social credit system). I'm reminded of the words of another "nihilist infected Stirnerite" but I'm not sure why we're even discussing this in the first place. You lot are basically just whining that you're not being fawned over as guru's.

 

[danny la rouge]

Well how lucky for this "nihilist infected Stirnerite" to have stumbled, through all of space and time, on exactly the right internet forum that had the true answer to harmonious society (apparently some sort of multi-factor social credit system). I'm reminded of the words of another "nihilist infected Stirnerite" but I'm not sure why we're even discussing this in the first place. You lot are basically just whining that you're not being fawned over as guru's.

I am being fawned over as a guru. It’s embarrassing. I’m not the messiah; I’m a very naughty boy.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well how lucky for this "nihilist infected Stirnerite" to have stumbled, through all of space and time, on exactly the right internet forum that had the true answer to harmonious society (apparently some sort of multi-factor social credit system). I'm reminded of the words of another "nihilist infected Stirnerite" but I'm not sure why we're even discussing this in the first place. You lot are basically just whining that you're not being fawned over as guru's.

gurus. i'm not whining. i don't think your whining claim really holds water. and believe you me the like system is not 'some sort of multi-factor social credit system'. and if your ideas were in any wise better, then we'd follow the auld acf motto of the leadership of ideas and adopt yours.

 

[Pickman's model]

I am being fawned over as a guru. It’s embarrassing. I’m not the messiah; I’m a very naughty boy.

does this end up with you handing someone some cash for caning?

 

[Larry Noppius]

It bothers me when posters, such as yourself on this thread - but you are not special, you are not a beautiful and unique snowflake, in this regard. There's a sprinkling of similar posters across the boards - pontificate loudly and pointlessly more concerned with listening to their own voices in s dull debate club style than actually engaging with the people in the discussion.

To go back to the pub. You're sounding like the bloke propped up on the bar on his own, loudly sharing his opinions whilst everybody avoids making eye contact with him and sits in uncomfortable silence hoping he'll finish up and go home.

That's what bothers me.

Oh I didn't know you used a text-to-speech device - complaining about my posts being too loud or sounding a particular way - but judging from the problem statement you might try lowering the volume on your device, using a different voice preset, or just use this forum's ignore function if that fails.