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maybe it is. but you won't believe what happened next.
Local Elections 2018
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Cheers. I've just seen a projection - and lost the link
- saying the Tories would be down to 305 (from 312) on last night's results. Meaningless as a realistic projection, but not good for Labour in the way these results will/are being spun.RainbowTown
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These (predictable) results just state the bleedin' obvious, which is: Corbyn is a busted flush and The Labour Party are now as abysmal as the Tory party.
The warning signs were clear to see at the last General election, where despite having one of the most callous and uncaring Tory governments ever AND one of the most shambolic Tory election campaigns ever AND one of the most inept Tory leaders ever (May), Labour still LOST, whereas in reality they should've walked it. Like any half-decent Labour Party would've have. Yet (and here's the funniest part) the morning after that election Corbyn and his eejits (not to mention some of their far left supporters) portrayed that loss it as some kind of victory! Lol. It was like they were at the start of some sort of golden road to Damascus, a yellow brick road to a fantastic, utopian socialist future. "We've only just begun!" seemed to be emboldened, rallying cry. "This is just the beginning! We're on our way now! Here we come!"
Only there was one problem. It was wrong. And delusional too. The fact is they lost an election that by any criteria the Labour Party should have won easily (and, puh-lease, no excuses either about it was the fault of the scummy right wing press etc etc. That's an excuse that doesn't hold water whatsoever and is sooo last Century to boot). No, if the election of 2017 was indeed a 'victory' for Corbyn's Labour Party, then it was a pyrrhic victory, about as useful as a chocolate teapot in the midday sun.
Because, to me, since then, just the Conservative Party (who proudly and unapologetically show their ruthlessness and lack of compassion like a badge of honour) the Labour Party too has collapsed further in on itself; they are distrusted by many sections of society; outside the London Westminster and metropolitan elite they're regarded as just as bad and hypocritical and substandard as the cretinous Tories. And just like their true-blue counterparts, they are becoming an increasingly unpalatable and vicious political party too ie. witness the vile racism that's now being expounded in certain sections of the party (and elements of their far left supporters too) AND the total lack-lustre action in dealing with it (and only dealing with it now because they've been forced too ie. they've been sussed out). That, in itself, is a total disgrace and anathema to what Labour values should be all about. And taken together these elements add to a Labour Party being hoisted by it's own and ever-damaging petard. These stale and non-results are now partly proof of that; think about it.... mid term, Tories on their knees, in complete disarray - Labour should've have WALKED all over them. Made massive inroads, onwards and forwards. Knocked May and her cronies out the ball park. But instead we have a final, sad summation of the current politcal state of affairs in England 2018:: the Labour Party is now as hopeless as the Tory Party. A choice between Dumb and Dumber. Which, of course, is no choice at all.
The warning signs were clear to see at the last General election, where despite having one of the most callous and uncaring Tory governments ever AND one of the most shambolic Tory election campaigns ever AND one of the most inept Tory leaders ever (May), Labour still LOST, whereas in reality they should've walked it. Like any half-decent Labour Party would've have. Yet (and here's the funniest part) the morning after that election Corbyn and his eejits (not to mention some of their far left supporters) portrayed that loss it as some kind of victory! Lol. It was like they were at the start of some sort of golden road to Damascus, a yellow brick road to a fantastic, utopian socialist future. "We've only just begun!" seemed to be emboldened, rallying cry. "This is just the beginning! We're on our way now! Here we come!"
Only there was one problem. It was wrong. And delusional too. The fact is they lost an election that by any criteria the Labour Party should have won easily (and, puh-lease, no excuses either about it was the fault of the scummy right wing press etc etc. That's an excuse that doesn't hold water whatsoever and is sooo last Century to boot). No, if the election of 2017 was indeed a 'victory' for Corbyn's Labour Party, then it was a pyrrhic victory, about as useful as a chocolate teapot in the midday sun.
Because, to me, since then, just the Conservative Party (who proudly and unapologetically show their ruthlessness and lack of compassion like a badge of honour) the Labour Party too has collapsed further in on itself; they are distrusted by many sections of society; outside the London Westminster and metropolitan elite they're regarded as just as bad and hypocritical and substandard as the cretinous Tories. And just like their true-blue counterparts, they are becoming an increasingly unpalatable and vicious political party too ie. witness the vile racism that's now being expounded in certain sections of the party (and elements of their far left supporters too) AND the total lack-lustre action in dealing with it (and only dealing with it now because they've been forced too ie. they've been sussed out). That, in itself, is a total disgrace and anathema to what Labour values should be all about. And taken together these elements add to a Labour Party being hoisted by it's own and ever-damaging petard. These stale and non-results are now partly proof of that; think about it.... mid term, Tories on their knees, in complete disarray - Labour should've have WALKED all over them. Made massive inroads, onwards and forwards. Knocked May and her cronies out the ball park. But instead we have a final, sad summation of the current politcal state of affairs in England 2018:: the Labour Party is now as hopeless as the Tory Party. A choice between Dumb and Dumber. Which, of course, is no choice at all.
305 what? they're already on 1087 councillors (8 up)Cheers. I've just seen a projection - and lost the link
there, there, love. let it all out .
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to post a rambling repetitive post which proves you one.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
National seats projection on the basis of last night. This was the link:
Key conclusions from a hazy night in English local elections
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
because I have no life I watched the coverage, interesting you could actually see the 'DISASTER FOR LABOUR! lines being formed. Before results came in it was decided that 'unless x y and z happen, its a labour disaster'. And lo, theres some on this thread now repeating the same thing. It was crushingly boring so I sacked it off around 4. I was trying to pin the geography of where the lib dems made gains to see if they fit what I think of as the current average lib dem voter (although thats skewed by the 'love the eu so much I'll vote for any old cunt with a blue starry flag in his eyes' vote.
RainbowTown
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oh yeah. I find it hard to give that any kind of credence tbh. Best to talk about real things rather than finger in the air projections onto non-existent general elections
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh you're quite right, son, i do, from having read all manner of vapid farting piffle here over the years. your shrill contribution in post 363 might have been novel forty years ago. but it's trite, unoriginal, dull, and in its mail-esque references (e.g. puh-lease), juvenile. it's the sort of thing a callow year 11 would blush to post.
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didn't have you down as a green
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Indeed, but having not seen anything last night, I'm watching a tale being spun of Labour failure, particularly in terms of loss of councils. It's true, it looks like Labour isn't in a position to move on to power. But that's why I'm after the share of the vote, I suspect it might be a bit better for them.
RainbowTown
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In your opinion. Which is fine. Though of course, you are wrong. In my opinion. Which is fine as well. And if not, well........that's just the way it is...
(regarding "mail-esque" references: vapid, farting, dull, juvenile, could also be regarding as "mail-esque" references too).
It's all of little consequence in the end.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if only you'd posted that in the first place
RainbowTown
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Starry Wisdom
then someone might have been nasty about your post, whereas i pulled my punches.If only you hadn't posted at all.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
BBC just announced their prediction of national share compared to 2014:
CON - 35% up 6%
LAB - 35% down 4%
LD - 16% up 3%
UKIP - fucked!
Not good at all for Labour.
CON - 35% up 6%
LAB - 35% down 4%
LD - 16% up 3%
UKIP - fucked!
Not good at all for Labour.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh all very good, but it's not your actual share of the vote that matters with fptp but how it's distributed.
it isn't a prediction of the next general election: it's a projection of what the vote share would have been if the whole country had voted in local elections yesterday.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yes i know. but the projected share of the vote is useless without a notion of how it's distributed.
it's useless anyway as a guide to a general election that isn't happening.
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in short, it's useless
RainbowTown
Well-Known Member
One crumb of comfort. UKIP hopefully consigned to the dustbin of UK politics, never to resurface.
It's just an arcane ritual now, I don't think they really know why they do it anymore. Other than they need to keep Curtice busy.
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