Liverpool bomb incident 14/11/21

[Pickman's model]

Which, if it ever existed, isn't the same as negotiating a settlement with with Islamist terrorists.

He said without any basis for his conclusion

 

[gosub]

So who are the government going to negotiate with following this attack? The perp is wormshit and he didn't have the manners to leave a contact number.

Oh I think he did, think he booked the taxi by phone. And the arrests related to that phones call history .(may or may not lead to charges, but sensible procedure)

 

[LDC]

The latest reports suggest that was the destination given to the taxi driver.

Yes, but doesn't mean it was the target. I guess there's a chance that we'll never know for sure unless he left plans etc. behind.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, but doesn't mean it was the target. I guess there's a chance that we'll never know for sure unless he left plans etc. behind.

A video is the usual clue

 

[NoXion]

That's an uncharacteristically poor post with a straw man. I said the government do negotiate with terrorists - see eg Gerry Adams et al flown to London in 1972. I didn't say or imply they always negotiate with terrorists - they never negotiate with them until they do.

I certainly don't think they'll negotiate with this lot. It's hard to get a conversation going with a greasy smear on the remains of a taxi backseat.

 

[Athos]

He said without any basis for his conclusion

There's no evidence that the government reached any agreement with terrorists; at most, there was a tacit understanding with 'community leaders' around self-policing.

 

[Pickman's model]

There's no evidence that the government reached any agreement with terrorists; at most, there was a tacit understanding with 'community leaders' around self-policing.

Link pls

 

[andysays]

He’s been described as a failed asylum seeker. If that’s the case, why wasn’t he deported?

Where are you getting the "failed" bit from?

The BBC is describing him as an asylum seeker, which suggests to me that his case hasn't been decided.

 

[Athos]

Link pls

A link to the absence of evidence?

 

[Pickman's model]

Where are you getting the "failed" bit from?

The BBC is describing him as an asylum seeker, which suggests to me that his case hasn't been decided.

It has been referred to a higher authority

 

[Pickman's model]

A link to the absence of evidence?

So tell me how you reached the conclusion. A link to a source saying "there is no evidence" perhaps. Or did you just make it up because you can't be bothered to look?

 

[andysays]

Oh I think he did, think he booked the taxi by phone. And the arrests related to that phones call history .(may or may not lead to charges, but sensible procedure)

All four of those arrested have now been released.

 

[Athos]

So tell me how you reached the conclusion. A link to a source saying "there is no evidence" perhaps. Or did you just make it up because you can't be bothered to look?

I reached the conclusion that there is no evidence based on the apparent absence of any, having looked. If you're aware of any, please let me know.

 

[Dom Traynor]

I was so drunk I did a runner from an Uber the other day

 

[gosub]

Where are you getting the "failed" bit from?

The BBC is describing him as an asylum seeker, which suggests to me that his case hasn't been decided.

Can't see him being granted asylum now.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Where are you getting the "failed" bit from?

The BBC is describing him as an asylum seeker, which suggests to me that his case hasn't been decided.

Various places but here’s one:

The suspected terrorist who blew himself up with a homemade bomb outside a hospital was a Christian convert who had reportedly had an asylum claim rejected in 2014.

Liverpool bombing suspect ‘was Christian convert who had asylum claim rejected’

The suspected terrorist who blew himself up with a homemade bomb outside a hospital was a Christian convert who had reportedly had an asylum claim rejected in 2014.

m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

 

[LDC]

Can't see him being granted asylum now.

No but he's been declared fit for work by the DWP.

 

[JimW]

All four of those arrested have now been released.

That seems basically to have been arrest everyone else at his known addresses.

 

[Saul Goodman]

The mental illness was also disputed by Belmarsh psychiatrists at his trial (though supported by a subsequent news report).

I fail to see how chopping people to pieces or painting the inside of a taxi with your insides could be considered anything but insane.

 

[NoXion]

I fail to see how chopping people to pieces or painting the inside of a taxi with your insides could be considered anything but insane.

Unfortunately humans are not yet at the point where blowing people up in the name of your imaginary friends is universally considered pathological.

 

[Pickman's model]

I fail to see how chopping people to pieces or painting the inside of a taxi with your insides could be considered anything but insane.

i see you've heard of damien hirst's future plans

 

[sojourner]

I wonder how the tax driver is? Bloody shaken up I bet. What a thing to go through.

I keep thinking about that. I doubt he'll go back to cabbying. The PTSD will be too severe. Every single time someone gets in behind him...

 

[Pickman's model]

I reached the conclusion that there is no evidence based on the apparent absence of any, having looked. If you're aware of any, please let me know.

it was my recollection there was something explicit but i think that might have been in crispin blunt's book about the 2005 attacks. and over the past 14 years or so since i read the book i've come to the conclusion he's not really that reliable a source. there appear to have been (at least) two covenants of security, the one to which you've referred and a more general one between individual muslims and the country in which they live not to attack it while their faith isn't under threat (a simplification) - certainly in 2003 omar bakri mohammed said that for the moment there was a covenant of security in place, and it was his subsequent argument that the state hadn't kept its end of the bargain which might have influenced the 7/7 and 21/7 bombers.

 

[Raheem]

I keep thinking about that. I doubt he'll go back to cabbying. The PTSD will be too severe. Every single time someone gets in behind him...

Could be, but people respond differently. He might not be so badly affected, and let's hope not.

He might need a new cab, though.

 

[Saul Goodman]

i see you've heard of damien hirst's future plans

We live in hope...

 

[LDC]

I keep thinking about that. I doubt he'll go back to cabbying. The PTSD will be too severe. Every single time someone gets in behind him...

Hang on, getting PTSD is far from certain from things like this, it's not something that people inevitably get from something like this at all, and if he gets good care and support now it massively lessens that possibility as well.

 

[gosub]

I fail to see how chopping people to pieces or painting the inside of a taxi with your insides could be considered anything but insane.

Enough people suffer from 5he stygma mental illess without needlessly upping a taxi drIves insurance premuums that it's worth differentiating this bloke as a bit of a cunt

 

[sojourner]

Could be, but people respond differently. He might not be so badly affected, and let's hope not.

He might need a new cab, though.

He'll be What Iffing like fuck, I'd bet money on it. Poor fella.

 

[gosub]

Could be, but people respond differently. He might not be so badly affected, and let's hope not.

He might need a new cab, though.

Strong case for the insurers not paying out. Crowd funder and tabloid story should see him right though

 

[sojourner]

Hang on, getting PTSD is far from certain from things like this, it's not something that people inevitably get from something like this at all, and if he gets good care and support now it massively lessens that possibility as well.

Right, okay Dr Know It All.