Liverpool bomb incident 14/11/21

[NoXion]

Anyone else here really unimpressed with the utter clownshoe level of competence on display by jihadi twats? It's all been downhill - for them - since the London bombings.

I certainly don't feel terrified at all. I know that statistically I'm more likely to be flattened by a bus driver than be blown up by a terrorist. Still, I don't find myself quivering in mortal fear whenever I see a person in a high-vis jacket with a bus company logo.

 

[Spymaster]

Anyone else here really unimpressed with the utter clownshoe level of competence on display by jihadi twats?

Let's hope they're all like that.

More speculation, I know, but it's not improbable that the security services have been disrupting the larger, more competent attacks, and just a few bellends like this slip through the net now.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

The 4 blokes who were arrested yesterday have been released without charge. So it looks like the explodyman was a lone incompetent cunt.

 

[MrCurry]

Anyone else here really unimpressed with the utter clownshoe level of competence on display by jihadi twats? It's all been downhill - for them - since the London bombings.

There may in fact be a strong correlation between being a brainless ignoramus and being persuaded to blow yourself up for the honour of allah.

 

[JoeyBoy]

Anyone else here really unimpressed with the utter clownshoe level of competence on display by jihadi twats? It's all been downhill - for them - since the London bombings.

I certainly don't feel terrified at all. I know that statistically I'm more likely to be flattened by a bus driver than be blown up by a terrorist. Still, I don't find myself quivering in mortal fear whenever I see a person in a high-vis jacket with a bus company logo.

I do the ones round here are fucking loons, they'd run you over as soon as look at you. Probably safer with the terrorist driving the bus. This has already caused trouble where I work. We have a big scouse lad here and him and one of the Iraqi's were squaring up to one another. The boss told them to take it outside but neither of them should bother coming back in again if they did.

 

[xenon]

Yes, the hole is for tourists to push their money through. Why would you have to get out into the road? There are doors on both sides. If you get out on the driver’s side he’’ll wind down his window!

Well if you get out to pay on the driver-side, you are likely to be in the road. Just never occurred to me to bother doing that when you can just stick your money through the gap whilst still inside. Especially if it is belting down. Like last time I got a cab from East Croydon station.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Anyone else here really unimpressed with the utter clownshoe level of competence on display by jihadi twats? It's all been downhill - for them - since the London bombings.

I certainly don't feel terrified at all. I know that statistically I'm more likely to be flattened by a bus driver than be blown up by a terrorist. Still, I don't find myself quivering in mortal fear whenever I see a person in a high-vis jacket with a bus company logo.

And yet the number of insane anti-terror laws we've got now. I know more people lifted for 'terrorism offences' on utterly spurious grounds than I know victims of terrorism, or even people who vaguely know victims of terrorism. Closest I get is my sister in law who couldn't get her car out of the multi storey in Exeter for hours because some pillock failed to blow himself up in the bogs of a nearby restaurant.

Do feel sorry for the cabbie though. Concussive hearing damage is nasty.

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyone else here really unimpressed with the utter clownshoe level of competence on display by jihadi twats? It's all been downhill - for them - since the London bombings.

I certainly don't feel terrified at all. I know that statistically I'm more likely to be flattened by a bus driver than be blown up by a terrorist. Still, I don't find myself quivering in mortal fear whenever I see a person in a high-vis jacket with a bus company logo.

If your m.o. is to top yourself as an integral part of your attack incompetence is really built in where there's no direction, where you're a self-starter. even with the 2005 bombings there was a level of incompetence as we discussed at the time, and it's been a theme ever since. There was the doctors' plot of 2007 or 2008, where incompetence prevented a bloodbath on Haymarket a day or two before the Glasgow airport incident and so on.

 

[Pickman's model]

There may in fact be a strong correlation between being a brainless ignoramus and being persuaded to blow yourself up for the honour of allah.

You're assuming outside influence here where there's as yet no evidence of that

 

[Spymaster]

Well if you get out to pay on the driver-side, you are likely to be in the road.

This very much depends on which side of the road the cab stops on!

If it’s raining heavily you may reconsider, but most of the time it’s not.

 

[Pickman's model]

Let's hope they're all like that.

More speculation, I know, but it's not improbable that the security services have been disrupting the larger, more competent attacks, and just a few bellends like this slip through the net now.

I suspect the greatest impact they've had has been to sow distrust among would-be jihadis to the extent that you usually ever have small poorly considered and executed attacks approach fruition in the past two or three years, bar the Manchester bombing. For example if yer man had had a car himself this incident might have had a very different ending.

 

[MrCurry]

You're assuming outside influence here where there's as yet no evidence of that

I’m assuming the ones who blow themselves up in service of Jihad are not the brightest of the bunch.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

This very much depends on which side of the road the cab stops on!

Also, if you get out on the pavement side you are now likely to be run over by a ballbag riding one of them e-scooters. Better to get out on the road side: the traffic is so congested they move slower than the scooter twats.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I’m assuming the ones who blow themselves up in service of Jihad are not the brightest of the bunch.

Aye, would imagine the number of humans with a functioning brain willing to blow themselves up must be a small cohort.

 

[Pickman's model]

I’m assuming the ones who blow themselves up in service of Jihad are not the brightest of the bunch.

On the basis that... Like any other group of people it varies. But for me it's the incompetence that stands out, failure or refusal to think about the tactics of attacks. Don't get me wrong, it's really good they don't put much thought into it. As I said in 2005 the tube bombers could easily have made their attacks much more deadly. They chose the convenience of getting on the trains where they arrived on the platforms and thank god they did.

 

[Pickman's model]

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[MrCurry]

On the basis that... Like any other group of people it varies. But for me it's the incompetence that stands out, failure or refusal to think about the tactics of attacks. Don't get me wrong, it's really good they don't put much thought into it. As I said in 2005 if the tube bombers could easily have made their attacks much more deadly. They chose the convenience of getting on the trains where they arrived on the platforms and thank god they did.

Yes they’re (mercifully) incompetent. I don’t think it’s controversial to suggest there’s likely a link between this and the fact they’ve been persuaded to kill themselves in service of Jihad.

If they all had the cunning Anders Behring Breivik displayed, we would have big problems.

 

[Idris2002]

I saw something earlier (not on here) which claimed that the wanker with the bomb was a Christian convert. Has anyone else heard that one?

 

[Pickman's model]

I saw something earlier (not on here) which claimed that the wanker with the bomb was a Christian convert. Has anyone else heard that one?

A fake Christian convert I thought they said

 

[bluescreen]

Aye, would imagine the number of humans with a functioning brain willing to blow themselves up must be a small cohort.

If you believe that the worldly life, compared to the hereafter, is nothing but a little enjoyment, and believe you are doing God's will, then it's quite possible to devote oneself to something that other people find incomprehensible. The guys who flew into the twin towers had brains that functioned pretty well for most purposes.

I don't believe in the hereafter, but It's the 'believe you are doing God's will' bit that most of us have issue with. I doubt that there are any imams, or any Christian priests, teaching that blowing up a hospital is God's will.

Oh, yes - and the incompetence of this particular attack does suggest it was self-organised and amateur.

 

[rekil]

Total speculation, but if he’s come from Syria and has been converted to Christianity he might be expected to be somewhat outraged that the church is getting involved with honouring the military forces which he has just seen destroy his country.

The spirit of casually brown shambles on and on.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes they’re (mercifully) incompetent. I don’t think it’s controversial to suggest there’s likely a link between this and the fact they’ve been persuaded to kill themselves in service of Jihad.

If they all had the cunning Anders Behring Breivik displayed, we would have big problems.

the equation of incompetence with stupidity doesn't sit well with me. If blowing yourself up is stupid what's that say about all the soldiers who've smothered grenades with their bodies to save their comrades? If our go to slag of suicide bombers is they're stupid it's a sad counterpoint to the many threads where we have really good complex discussions. It just seems really lazy to me

 

[skyscraper101]

explodyman

 

[Pickman's model]

Total speculation, but if he’s come from Syria and has been converted to Christianity he might be expected to be somewhat outraged that the church is getting involved with honouring the military forces which he has just seen destroy his country.

That would be a feasible motive, if the hospital was just to be the drop off point for him to walk to the remembrance service.

If that was indeed the case russian orthodox churches might have been a more likely target than anglican ones.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Well I bet that's wrong footed all the racists.

It's tragic that we have these loons over here now though

But I guess this was only a matter of time really.

 

[kebabking]

the equation of incompetence with stupidity doesn't sit well with me. If blowing yourself up is stupid what's that say about all the soldiers who've smothered grenades with their bodies to save their comrades? If our go to slag of suicide bombers is they're stupid it's a sad counterpoint to the many threads where we have really good complex discussions. It just seems really lazy to me

This really - there are absolute half-wits in the jihadi ranks, but there are also a great of 'bright but accepting' people - not idiots, but determined, and (most importantly) who accept that because they've not had a great deal of training, what they plan may not happen in the way they want it - but who are willing/happy to give it a go anyway.

There's more than a whiff of PIRA's 'we've only got to be lucky once'.

These guys happily accept that there's a good chance that their attack will be one of the four-in-five that ends in a fizzle, or a premature detonation, or waking up at 3am with an assault rifle in the face - but this is the important thing: those odds are good enough for these blokes.

They also understand the concept of cumulative effect - that 10 attacks/plots, with only one or two working, is still 10 attacks/plots for the enemy to deal with.

These guys are happy to be chaff, because as any WWII bomber pilot will tell you, chaff fucks up the enemy.

 

[Idris2002]

This really - there are absolute half-wits in the jihadi ranks, but there are also a great of 'bright but accepting' people - not idiots, but determined, and (most importantly) who accept that because they've not had a great deal of training, what they plan may not happen in the way they want it - but who are willing/happy to give it a go anyway.

There's more than a whiff of PIRA's 'we've only got to be lucky once'.

These guys happily accept that there's a good chance that their attack will be one of the four-in-five that ends in a fizzle, or a premature detonation, or waking up at 3am with an assault rifle in the face - but this is the important thing: those odds are good enough for these blokes.

They also understand the concept of cumulative effect - that 10 attacks/plots, with only one or two working, is still 10 attacks/plots for the enemy to deal with.

These guys are happy to be chaff, because as any WWII bomber pilot will tell you, chaff fucks up the enemy.

Aye, but the 'ra consistently built up their offensive capability over time, going from nuisance attacks against the likes of the Co-op (if that BICO pamphlet I read once was for real) to taking out whole city centres.

It's over twenty years since 9/11 - how's the Jihadi learning curve compare to the republican army?

 

[8ball]

i don't know, people like apparently exist, life must be very confusing for them.

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I guess it depends which of the war deaths he has turned out for.

 

[bimble]

Some odd details surfacing, if they're accurate. The old man who lived with him for eight months says that he'd been arrested for possession of a 'large knife' in 2014, and had then been sectioned & hospitalised for several months.
He was trying to get to the cathedral which is where he was baptized in 2017 apparently. And it seems he was really into formula one and put pineapple on pizza.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

He’s been described as a failed asylum seeker. If that’s the case, why wasn’t he deported?