Major incident in the English Channel involving a small boat. 14 Dec 2022

[danny la rouge]

Sorry are you really saying they belong to both the Labour Party and the Conservative Party, and that she is actively involved in both. My credulity is feeling pretty stretched.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Yes, I was struggling to process the information, too. Don’t people recognise her at the jumble sales?

 

[steeplejack]

Yep sounds a loonspud for sure. Amusing, though, there's not much difference- the Labour Party will continue to enact broadly the same agenda and policies in a slightly kinder voice, for the most part.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Yes, I was struggling to process the information, too. Don’t people recognise her at the jumble sales?

Exactly that on practical level. Also I would have thought it was psychologically challenging as well...although getting less so by the day.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It this person Kier Starmer by any chance?

 

[tommers]

Yep sounds a loonspud for sure. Amusing, though, there's not much difference- the Labour Party will continue to enact broadly the same agenda and policies in a slightly kinder voice, for the most part.

Not sure they are even bothering with the kind voice tbh.

 

[bimble]

The most favourited comment on this over at Britain’s favourite newspaper says “this is not fair on the British Tax Payer”. That’s it that’s the real injustice here, the British tax payer not the people fished out of the dark freezing sea. I do know they’re not really a gauge of where we are at as a country but find it so depressing I sort of needed to share the misery.

 

[Duncan2]

The most favourited comment on this over at Britain’s favourite newspaper says “this is not fair on the British Tax Payer”. That’s it that’s the real injustice here, the British tax payer not the people fished out of the dark freezing sea. I do know they’re not really a gauge of where we are at as a country but find it so depressing I sort of needed to share the misery.

Think that was also what Sunak said in an article in the Torygraph.Seems to have thought he could convince people that it was unfair and therefore somehow unBritish to welcome refugees fro persecution

 

[SpookyFrank]

How do the trafficking scum manage to evade detection? Or are there simply too many at it?

They don't. The French authorities do deals with them. Openly, in some cases.

Time was the border police would take the night off every so often and let a few hundred people through the port, to stop numbers of people getting too high. I suspect the high numbers of small boats we now see reflects a change in that policy, not an increase in the total number of people crossing the channel without papers.

 

[Ming]

I wonder what she's signalling really. It she really going to use this for political ends?

Suella Braverman says UK must ‘end these crossings’ after Channel deaths

MPs demand new pathways to apply for refugee status as four people die during small boat crossing

www.theguardian.com

 

[quimcunx]

The most favourited comment on this over at Britain’s favourite newspaper says “this is not fair on the British Tax Payer”. That’s it that’s the real injustice here, the British tax payer not the people fished out of the dark freezing sea. I do know they’re not really a gauge of where we are at as a country but find it so depressing I sort of needed to share the misery.

When I see these sorts of comments I'm tempted to agree, that this government wastes so much of our money vicitmising already traumatised refugees in France trying to prevent them coming, and on hairbrained illegal schemes to send them to Rwanda etc, when they could more cheaply process them in France, bring them in safely, and have them working and contributing to the tax pot instead.

 

[MickiQ]

Yes, I was struggling to process the information, too. Don’t people recognise her at the jumble sales?

Back when I was in my twenties a mate of mine who was about as radical a socialist as you could get joined the Young Conservatives because he had the hots for their club secretary. Nothing ever came of it though so I suppose opposites don't attract after all.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I wonder what she's signalling really. It she really going to use this for political ends?

Suella Braverman says UK must ‘end these crossings’ after Channel deaths

MPs demand new pathways to apply for refugee status as four people die during small boat crossing

www.theguardian.com

I heard a clip of her on the radio earlier, expressing sorrow, which I thought was quite hypocritical coming from her, surely she doesn't think anyone believes she's sincere in her verbal expressions of regret when if you believed her previous comments about putting migrants on flights to Rwanda you'd hazard a guess that she's probably inwardly giddy with glee.

And of course, even the fake sincere going through the motions comments were quickly followed by her real agenda, this is why we need to have a crackdown, this is why we need to be utter bastards.

Vile woman.

 

[killer b]

I wonder what she's signalling really. It she really going to use this for political ends?

Suella Braverman says UK must ‘end these crossings’ after Channel deaths

MPs demand new pathways to apply for refugee status as four people die during small boat crossing

www.theguardian.com

I don't think she's really signalling anything tbh. People drowning in the channel while trying to get here to claim asylum requires a statement by the home secretary to parliament, and that's all this was - she said nothing.

They're stuck really. There's nothing they can really do that's politically acceptable in either direction.

 

[NoXion]

The most favourited comment on this over at Britain’s favourite newspaper says “this is not fair on the British Tax Payer”. That’s it that’s the real injustice here, the British tax payer not the people fished out of the dark freezing sea. I do know they’re not really a gauge of where we are at as a country but find it so depressing I sort of needed to share the misery.

Does Britain really have a "favourite newspaper", though? My understanding is that it's a dying medium.

 

[danny la rouge]

Does Britain really have a "favourite newspaper", though? My understanding is that it's a dying medium.

The highest circulation is the Metro.

 

[MickiQ]

Does Britain really have a "favourite newspaper", though? My understanding is that it's a dying medium.

Favourite is a very subjective term.

 

[Dystopiary]

Thank goodness so many people survived. I just hope they're being looked after. A tragedy for those who didn't make it. What a world.

 

[Ming]

I don't think she's really signalling anything tbh. People drowning in the channel while trying to get here to claim asylum requires a statement by the home secretary to parliament, and that's all this was - she said nothing.

They're stuck really. There's nothing they can really do that's politically acceptable in either direction.

Yeah. i suppose you can’t really say ‘we don’t care’.

 

[SysOut]

Time was the border police would take the night off

What border?
There's only the entrance to the channel tunnel which might be considered as a "border".
I can't see the coast guard being able to, or wanting to, check every tiny vessels going out at night, neither on the french side nor on the english side.
The finger pointing is callousness, when we know what the problem is - once an illegal immigrant arrives in the UK there are no comebacks because we have no ID cards - even USA citizens have social security numbers.
That's the problem.
On the continent, you have illegal immigrants who demonstrate and demand to have id papers - the "Sans-papiers"

The sans-papiers movement has been one of the major features of the contemporary political debate over immigration in France, highlighting the specific situation of those residing “illegally” in France, and organizing to resist the attempts of successive governments to expel “illegal” residents from their territory. Worldwide media attention was drawn to the situation of the sans-papiers in 1996 when the government ordered special police forces to break down the doors of a church in Paris to expel those sanspapiers who had been staging a hunger strike inside. This expulsion and the media coverage it attracted served to mobilize both other immigrants finding themselves in a situation of illegality, and parts of the French population who rallied to the support of the sans-papiers, with a series of demonstrations and public petitions ensuing. This key moment in the recent history of immigration in France symbolized both the determination of the French state to refuse to grant rights to those who were believed to be residing illegally on its territory and also to expel those illegal immigrants wherever possible, and at the same time the political mobilization both of the immigrant population and their French supporters to resist this categorization of illegality. Current immigration policies that encourage the police to reach targets of illegal immigrants to expel from France have been built on this criminalization of the sans-papiers and securitization of the immigration issues.

The French “Sans-Papiers” Movement: An Unfinished Struggle

The sans-papiers1 movement has been one of the major features of the contemporary political debate over immigration in France, highlighting the specific situation of those residing “illegally” in France, and organizing to resist the attempts of...

link.springer.com

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Back when I was in my twenties a mate of mine who was about as radical a socialist as you could get joined the Young Conservatives because he had the hots for their club secretary.

?

 

[Karl Masks]

Back when I was in my twenties a mate of mine who was about as radical a socialist as you could get joined the Young Conservatives because he had the hots for their club secretary. Nothing ever came of it though so I suppose opposites don't attract after all.

 

[SpookyFrank]

What border?
There's only the entrance to the channel tunnel which might be considered as a "border".
I can't see the coast guard being able to, or wanting to, check every tiny vessels going out at night, neither on the french side nor on the english side.
The finger pointing is callousness, when we know what the problem is - once an illegal immigrant arrives in the UK there are no comebacks because we have no ID cards - even USA citizens have social security numbers.
That's the problem.
On the continent, you have illegal immigrants who demonstrate and demand to have id papers - the "Sans-papiers"

There's a UK border at the ferry port in Calais.

 

[SpookyFrank]

What border?
There's only the entrance to the channel tunnel which might be considered as a "border".
I can't see the coast guard being able to, or wanting to, check every tiny vessels going out at night, neither on the french side nor on the english side.
The finger pointing is callousness, when we know what the problem is - once an illegal immigrant arrives in the UK there are no comebacks because we have no ID cards - even USA citizens have social security numbers.
That's the problem.
On the continent, you have illegal immigrants who demonstrate and demand to have id papers - the "Sans-papiers"

Oh and take your ID cards and fuck off, thanks.

 

[Pickman's model]

Back when I was in my twenties a mate of mine who was about as radical a socialist as you could get joined the Young Conservatives because he had the hots for their club secretary. Nothing ever came of it though so I suppose opposites don't attract after all.

You say nothing about their feelings for him. Someone pursuing someone else who doesn't fancy them doesn't speak to opposites attracting or otherwise

 

[Pickman's model]

That's your best post yet, mostly because you don't say anything at all

 

[SpookyFrank]

once an illegal immigrant arrives in the UK there are no comebacks

What is an 'illegal immigrant' and what 'comebacks' would you like to see happening to them?

 

[Karl Masks]

Thank goodness so many people survived. I just hope they're being looked after. A tragedy for those who didn't make it. What a world.

Rescued by the RNLI whom Farage has whipped up physical hatred against

Treated by the NHS whom the fascists in power are destroying

 

[danny la rouge]

That's the problem.

No, that isn’t the problem.

 

[SysOut]

There's a UK border at the ferry port in Calais.

Ah! So that's where all the black rubber dinghies are.

 

[Pickman's model]

What border?

There's only the entrance to the channel tunnel which might be considered as a "border".

There's famously more than one entrance to the tunnel