Liverpool bomb incident 14/11/21

[gosub]

Haven't we reached the 'its all our fault for not giving him a free house in the country" point yet? ...slackers

Around this time, Hitchott, 77, and his wife Elizabeth, welcomed al-Swealmeen into their home and let him stay there because he had nowhere else to live.

Mr Hitchott said: “He had had a problem, I believe he was sectioned. He was not entitled to accommodation by the Home Office but they put him up in a house for a period of grace but that ran out after six months.”


The Hitchotts took al-Swealmeen in when he fell out with his flatmates in north Liverpool and asked if he could sleep on their sofa, The Times reported. Al-Swealmeen stayed with the couple for eight months.

From Christian convert to bomber: Emad Al Swealmeen’s life in UK

Al-Swealmeen had converted to Christianity around 2017 after taking an Alpha course at Liverpool’s Anglican Cathedral

www.independent.co.uk

 

[existentialist]

I know it's a drum I bash rather regularly, but this is looking increasingly like yet another consequence of our fucking useless approach to mental health...and that's bad enough when it applies to our own citizens, let alone asylum seekers, who will have more likelihood of having MH problems in the first place, and even less chance than the parlous opportunities natives have of accessing any kind of meaningful mental health support.

Which - to head off the inevitable protests - is not to excuse someone detonating a bomb...but if we don't want these things to happen, one option would be not to wait until they're at the "scaring the horses" stage before doing something about it.

 

[gosub]

I know it's a drum I bash rather regularly, but this is looking increasingly like yet another consequence of our fucking useless approach to mental health...and that's bad enough when it applies to our own citizens, let alone asylum seekers, who will have more likelihood of having MH problems in the first place, and even less chance than the parlous opportunities natives have of accessing any kind of meaningful mental health support.

Which - to head off the inevitable protests - is not to excuse someone detonating a bomb...but if we don't want these things to happen, one option would be not to wait until they're at the "scaring the horses" stage before doing something about it.

Reads more like they did extend support. But he'd become a non person.

 

[existentialist]

Reads more like they did extend support. But he'd become a non person.

From personal experience, I'm sceptical about just how supportive that support actually was. And, as you say, by essentially depersonalising someone on the basis of their "right to be here", we're not exactly helping...

 

[Shechemite]

What mental health support would have stopped him trying to blow people up?

 

[gosub]

From personal experience, I'm sceptical about just how supportive that support actually was. And, as you say, by essentially depersonalising someone on the basis of their "right to be here", we're not exactly helping...

Completely concure.

Not that it would have helped in this instance post losing asyslum claim but, also found mental health services less than useful and, having had recouse to use them a couple of years ago, the link between mental health and social services breaking down (and this was pre pandemic.) Ended up giving them a page of html links they didn't have that should have been CRN's bread and butter.

 

[gosub]

What mental health support would have stopped him trying to blow people up?

Not stopping him when he was only plannig on killing himself 5 years back?


As is, fell through holes that were put there deliberately.


Not endorsing that as policy. Just saying

 

[existentialist]

What mental health support would have stopped him trying to blow people up?

Without knowing what mental health problems he was experiencing, that's quite a difficult question to answer. But - just as an example - quite a few instances where people become suicidal can, and do, involve a "revenge" or "you'll be sorry" aspect to it.

 

[krtek a houby]

Haven't we reached the 'its all our fault for not giving him a free house in the country" point yet? ...slackers

What point are you trying to make?

 

[Raheem]

What point are you trying to make?

Must be a Blur fan.

 

[krtek a houby]

Must be a Blur fan.

A blurt, more likely

 

[T & P]

Liverpool bomb: Homemade device used ball bearings as shrapnel, police say

Emad Al Swealmeen's homemade device could have "caused significant injury or death", police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

Unless he grossly miscalculated the amount of explosives required to make a bomb fit for purpose, it does really feel like the bomb didn't fully go off, because otherwise the cabbie would have fared a lot worse than a cut-off ear...

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Unless he has previously built a bomb and managed to test it learning from mistakes etc then this would have been his first. Unsurprisingly and mercifully he built a dud.

 

[l'Otters]

Sad to see people repeating the trope that it’s illegal to arrive here to claim asylum.

 

[8ball]

Sad to see people repeating the trope that it’s illegal to arrive here to claim asylum.

Wut? I'd never heard that one.

 

[l'Otters]

Wut? I'd never heard that one.

If I’ve misunderstood I’ll be glad.

 

[8ball]

If I’ve misunderstood I’ll be glad.

Not saying it wasn't said here (I only scanned back briefly).
I just meant I'd never heard that trope before.

 

[gosub]

Liverpool bomb: Homemade device used ball bearings as shrapnel, police say

Emad Al Swealmeen's homemade device could have "caused significant injury or death", police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

Unless he grossly miscalculated the amount of explosives required to make a bomb fit for purpose, it does really feel like the bomb didn't fully go off, because otherwise the cabbie would have fared a lot worse than a cut-off ear...

400g didn't denotate

 

[Magnus McGinty]

If I’ve misunderstood I’ll be glad.

Would help if you directly highlighted it rather than insinuating it’s happened.

 

[On Fire]

Why did he target a maternity hospital?

 

[8ball]

Why did he target a maternity hospital?

I thought that wasn't the intended target. Possibly a target of opportunity after he couldn't get to the remembrance parade due to it being cordoned off.

 

[On Fire]

Was he not on medication? I don't know anybody ill enough to be sectioned, who then does not need medication.

 

[On Fire]

Ok I see. Thanks for your post.

 

[l'Otters]

BIB - of course they can, the boats are overloaded and therefore unsafe, and the French not only have the legal right to deal with them on that basis, but a moral duty to do so, this illegal and dangerous trade needs to be stopped, and that can only happen on the French side of the channel.

* Yes, I believe we should take our fair share, via legal methods. I also believe if the boot was on the other foot, the UK would be doing the same, but it isn't, and an increasing number of people are going to die, if the situation isn't brought under control.

The main problem is there isn't a legal way to enter the UK. The government knows this and cynically allows it to continue so they can say people are entering illegally. Pushing people into a catch 22, massively dangerous situation where they are desperate enough to get on the boats.

It was fucking obvious after Brexit that Channel crossings would become more of an issue.

Not saying it wasn't said here (I only scanned back briefly).
I just meant I'd never heard that trope before.

Too tired n depressed already to go find examples of said trope.

Ash Sarkar covers some of it in this short video. It’s not directly relevant but it covers some relevant ground, it’s not very long.




These people are doing something. Their social media probably has useful info about the legality of entering the uk as an asylum seeker.

Home - Channel Rescue

Channel Rescue is a grassroots, human rights monitoring organisation set up in response to government calls for increased securitisation and militarisation of the English Channel. Our objective is to hold authorities to account in their duty to uphold the human rights of those crossing the...

channelrescue.org

 

[Pickman's model]

BIB - of course they can, the boats are overloaded and therefore unsafe, and the French not only have the legal right to deal with them on that basis, but a moral duty to do so, this illegal and dangerous trade needs to be stopped, and that can only happen on the French side of the channel.

* Yes, I believe we should take our fair share, via legal methods. I also believe if the boot was on the other foot, the UK would be doing the same, but it isn't, and an increasing number of people are going to die, if the situation isn't brought under control.

Rather than address the symptom perhaps it would be better to address the causes which force so many people to abandon where they live in the first place.

 

[Spymaster]

Rather than address the symptom perhaps it would be better to address the causes which force so many people to abandon where they live in the first place.

Stable-door, horse, bolted, etc ...

 

[Pickman's model]

Stable-door, horse, bolted, etc ...

That stable is full of other horses

 

[NoXion]

Too tired n depressed already to go find examples of said trope.

Ash Sarkar covers some of it in this short video. It’s not directly relevant but it covers some relevant ground, it’s not very long.




These people are doing something. Their social media probably has useful info about the legality of entering the uk as an asylum seeker.

Home - Channel Rescue

Channel Rescue is a grassroots, human rights monitoring organisation set up in response to government calls for increased securitisation and militarisation of the English Channel. Our objective is to hold authorities to account in their duty to uphold the human rights of those crossing the...

channelrescue.org

Video doesn't address the boats being obviously overloaded and provided by exploitative criminal gangs, who are basically engaging in a form of human trafficking. They seem to operate by conning money out of desperate refugees with false promises. Taking into account the horror stories of non-functional lifejackets and leaky boats, it's clear that the trafficking scum do not give a shit about the people they're sending off into the open sea. That the French authorities don't do more to stop these lying jackals from buying boats in the first place and filling them with people is a disgrace.

 

[Pickman's model]

Video doesn't address the boats being obviously overloaded and provided by exploitative criminal gangs, who are basically engaging in a form of human trafficking. They seem to operate by conning money out of desperate refugees with false promises. Taking into account the horror stories of non-functional lifejackets and leaky boats, it's clear that the trafficking scum do not give a shit about the people they're sending off into the open sea. That the French authorities don't do more to stop these lying jackals from buying boats in the first place and filling them with people is a disgrace.

Maybe there should be somewhere in France where refugees can apply for asylum in Britain. Then they could cross the channel safely and it'd be largely goodbye to these traffickers

 

[keybored]

I keep thinking about that. I doubt he'll go back to cabbying. The PTSD will be too severe. Every single time someone gets in behind him...

My uncle was a cabbie in Bristol and got kidnapped at gunpoint in the 90s by a couple of blokes, took his takings, made him drive to a cashpoint and draw the limits on his cards, beat him up and stole his car. That was the end of taxi driving for him and he wasn't great at driving at night for a long while.