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[Gramsci]

Only stand to win

Campaign by Compass.

In up to 60 seats progressive vote is split. So they were suggesting Labour party stand down candidates in these seats and urge people to o vote for the progressive candidate. This would unseat Tories.

Only Stand to Win - Compass

We are campaigning for a small Labour Party rule change to allow local parties to decide whether to stand a candidate or not. By having the local power to decide whether to stand a candidate or not, Labour parties can, where it is sensible, maximise the anti Tory vote where Labour can’t win and...

www.compassonline.org.uk

 

[edcraw]

Reason I get tetchy about the you ought to vote Labour line is that it's the self entitlement of Labour party that one should vote for them

I hope you don’t think I was telling you you should vote Labour. I was making a separate point that Starmer as Labour leader might get rid of the Tories when other leaders couldn’t.

 

[Gramsci]

I hope you don’t think I was telling you you should vote Labour. I was making a separate point that Starmer as Labour leader might get rid of the Tories when other leaders couldn’t.

What you were saying in reply to nagapie was this:

“Starmarist agenda” might actually put an end to 14 years of the Tories fucking the country but maybe you’ve been insulated enough from that to not mind if it continues.

Seems clear to me what you are saying

 

[Gramsci]

I'm not voting Labour was various reasons.

Way Labour party treated my Cllr Rachel Heywood.

Gaza. My MP didn't vote for ceasefire.

Starmer has made clear labour party is not a broad church. So fair enough not voting Labour.

 

[edcraw]

What you were saying in reply to nagapie was this:


Seems clear to me what you are saying

Seems you’re wilful misreading it if you think I’m saying people ought to vote Labour.

 

[edcraw]

double post

 

[Gramsci]

Seems you’re wilful misreading it if you think I’m saying people ought to vote Labour.

I don't think so

 

[edcraw]

I don't think so

I’ve just bloody told you that’s not what I’m saying so

 

[nagapie]

What you were saying in reply to nagapie was this:


Seems clear to me what you are saying

I didn't actually see that as edcraw edited it in after I'd already read his response.
I'm not sure what he's saying there if not on support of Starmer and Dickson.

 

[edcraw]

I didn't actually see that as edcraw edited it in after I'd already read his response.
I'm not sure what he's saying there if not on support of Starmer and Dickson.

In support but not telling anyone they ought to vote them - it really isn’t that complicated.

Just started by pointing out what a daft phrase “Starmerist agenda” is.

 

[CH1]

Only stand to win

Campaign by Compass.

In up to 60 seats progressive vote is split. So they were suggesting Labour party stand down candidates in these seats and urge people to o vote for the progressive candidate. This would unseat Tories.

Only Stand to Win - Compass

We are campaigning for a small Labour Party rule change to allow local parties to decide whether to stand a candidate or not. By having the local power to decide whether to stand a candidate or not, Labour parties can, where it is sensible, maximise the anti Tory vote where Labour can’t win and...

www.compassonline.org.uk

From what I recall there was a problem with this group and the Lib Dems in the South West.
The Progressive Alliance wanted to hold joint candidate hustings before all candidates were officially in pace.
Apart from the issue of potentially opening recommendations for selecting party candidates to opposing parties, I was told that there were also issues regarding election expenses which run from the time one's candidature is announced.

Anyway now the election has been called the Green Party Co-leader is happily using their material in his Waveney Valley campaign on Twitter

 

[nagapie]

In support but not telling anyone they ought to vote them - it really isn’t that complicated.

Just started by pointing out what a daft phrase “Starmerist agenda” is.

Why is it daft? Is it because you support his centre right politics and the rest of us are stupid? Do you support failure to call for a ceasefire and purging all left wing politicians in the name of not as bad as the Tories?

 

[CH1]

An interesting, but equally disappointing piece from The Times. What did you expect...

When I spoke with the journo it was clear what his agenda was: Lambeth is shit because it supports active travel. I tried to steer him away from this, as I know The People's Audit did as well. There are many sticks to beat Lambeth with, but to be fair, they do active travel rather well, Streatham LTN aside.

I suggested that he look deeper into housing and the massive financial waste of HfL. He skimmed the surface. I get the impression that he knew this, but he also knows his Times audience well.

Jeremy Clyne re-tweeted the Times article - which looks even more alarmist in newspaper format. Of course Jeremy was provoked into doing this by the trashing of Brockwell Park (again).

 

[BusLanes]

Huh, Lambeth Council has published a notice of by election for Streatham Common and Vale.

Notice of casual vacancy - Streatham Common and Vale Ward

A local government councillor for Streatham Common and Vale Ward in the London Borough of Lambeth

www.lambeth.gov.uk

 

[Tricky Skills]

Good spot. Wonder who has resigned? Surely not Adilypour.

 

[BusLanes]

Good spot. Wonder who has resigned? Surely not Adilypour.

Someone's said Henna Shah. Who I didn't know existed till today

 

[Tricky Skills]

Someone's said Henna Shah. Who I didn't know existed till today

I think the residents of Streatham Common and Vale feel the same.

 

[Tulster218]

I think the residents of Streatham Common and Vale feel the same.

Maybe she forgot that she worked for the council, and they've had to re-hold the election, in the spirit of Sonia Winifred.

 

[lang rabbie]

Someone's said Henna Shah. Who I didn't know existed till today

Depending on who you speak to, Henna is either "bag carrier" or "power behind the throne" for Pat McFadden.
She is also half of a "Westminster power couple":

 

[Torpid Scorpion]

Only stand to win

Campaign by Compass.

In up to 60 seats progressive vote is split. So they were suggesting Labour party stand down candidates in these seats and urge people to o vote for the progressive candidate. This would unseat Tories.

Only Stand to Win - Compass

We are campaigning for a small Labour Party rule change to allow local parties to decide whether to stand a candidate or not. By having the local power to decide whether to stand a candidate or not, Labour parties can, where it is sensible, maximise the anti Tory vote where Labour can’t win and...

www.compassonline.org.uk

I’m a big proponent of the compass approach.

In the Vauxhall constituency as I am, that means vote labour. No point in the yellow tories.

This site has advice: Look up the tactical vote in your constituency

I dont vote “my conscience” like some. I vote to give the bastards hell. Voting is not about “me”, it’s about “us”.

Protest, donation, volunteering are all just as important parts of democracy.

Posting is of course just shouting into the void.

 

[BusLanes]

Whit would anyone need to tactically vote in Lambeth? The Labour Party have giant majorities

 

[editor]

Whit would anyone need to tactically vote in Lambeth? The Labour Party have giant majorities

And let's not forget:

 

[CH1]

And let's not forget:

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I'm getting schizophrenia in Dulwich and West Norwood/Wimdrush.
Just had a letter from my MP replying to my complaint about Newsnight's castration - though in circumspect terms.
HH would like to see an Ethics body monitoring TV news - BBC ITV GB News all equally.
Then again I too am outraged by sponging councillors.

For me the Genera Election vote is a choice between Pete Elliott and Donna Harris as to who seems effective at issues I sympathise with.
On Ukraine 2 years ago Pete was following the John Mearsheimer Chicago University line (ie NATO provoked the Russian invasion).
I had some (Twitter) discussion with Pete on this at the time and he said he's been in the army and was concerned that armed conflict results in many people dying.

I don't know what Pete's views on this are now - though his views on regeneration are spot on I think.

Donna Harris I've never met - maybe this is a case where a hustings meeting might help - assuming my catarrh/hearing aids permit.

I would never vote indirectly for Starmer even though I think Helen Hayes is a dutiful MP and I probably agree with most of her views.

 

[Gramsci]

I’m a big proponent of the compass approach.

In the Vauxhall constituency as I am, that means vote labour. No point in the yellow tories.

This site has advice: Look up the tactical vote in your constituency

I dont vote “my conscience” like some. I vote to give the bastards hell. Voting is not about “me”, it’s about “us”.

Protest, donation, volunteering are all just as important parts of democracy.

Posting is of course just shouting into the void.

What do you mean by ending post saying posting is shouting into the void.? Don't understand

 

[Gramsci]

Whit would anyone need to tactically vote in Lambeth? The Labour Party have giant majorities

Yes I agree. Thought inner London is case where one could easily do a protest vote for another party.

I'm going to vote Green. I can not bring myself to vote Labour at this time.

 

[Torpid Scorpion]

What do you mean by ending post saying posting is shouting into the void.? Don't understand

I mean that posting (here, on twitter, wherever) feels to a lot of people like ‘taking action’ but actually isnt much. Thats all. I was to an extent engaging in sef-criticism.

 

[Torpid Scorpion]

one could easily do a protest vote for another party.

I think this is the nub: can someone explain to me what a protest vote is? I dont think its a thing.

• Protest is a thing. We’ve accomplished a lot with it. Its noisy and inconvenient. Thats why they hate it.
• Voting is a thing. Its a private act of selecting the best choice from a limited list of options.

Protest vote? Not so much.

I’ve tried to understand why people think this is a thing.

The best way to force the labour party to the left is to engage with its process and try to win. We went a long way with jeremy! Not far enough alas.

By the time it comes to a ballot, vote for the option most likely to get assholes out of power and sane people in.

 

[moochedit]

In up to 60 seats progressive vote is split. So they were suggesting Labour party stand down candidates in these seats and urge people to o vote for the progressive candidate. This would unseat Tories.

Deals like this get suggested every election and of course it would unseat tories if they did it but it's highly unlikely to happen.

 

[Gramsci]

I mean that posting (here, on twitter, wherever) feels to a lot of people like ‘taking action’ but actually isnt much. Thats all. I was to an extent engaging in sef-criticism.

Not everyone has the time or energy left after working all day to engage in "taking action"

A plus point of internet is that people can more easily sign petitions ( a traditional way to take action in this country) and find news feeds outside the mainstream.

On Gaza for example PSC have been organising marches and also giving a lot of social media ways to lobby MPs for example. This together has an effect.

For some with a lot of responsibilities going to meetings and demos is not easy. Using internet is another way to take action

The problem I find with social media is that it is easily poisonous.

People being Doxed by those who disagree with their views for example. The sheer nastiness however is not only on internet. From my experience of local issues there is a lot of very unpleasant behaviour

 

[Gramsci]

I think this is the nub: can someone explain to me what a protest vote is? I dont think its a thing.

• Protest is a thing. We’ve accomplished a lot with it. Its noisy and inconvenient. Thats why they hate it.
• Voting is a thing. Its a private act of selecting the best choice from a limited list of options.

Protest vote? Not so much.

I’ve tried to understand why people think this is a thing.

The best way to force the labour party to the left is to engage with its process and try to win. We went a long way with jeremy! Not far enough alas.

By the time it comes to a ballot, vote for the option most likely to get assholes out of power and sane people in.

It worked to elect Galloway. Not that I'm a great fan of him.

Labour stance on Gaza led to them losing that seat.

So it can be a thing.

Not sure who the We is. Protest takes many forms. Right and Left us it.

On a personal level I've engaged with the Labour party as the ruling party for years. I'm not impressed. The one Cllr who was any good was Cllr Rachel. Who put her constituents above the party more than once. And suffered for it. Libraries and LJ road closures being two that upset the leadership. Apart from continually raising issues brought to her by constituents with officers. As she told me this got her called in for "chats" more than once.

This did not go down with leadership.

I kind of agree with you about being in party to change. Remember Rachel telling me that party in her ward had so few members that it was difficult to fill posts.

Some locals including me tried to get her elected as independent. And failed. Up against a party that threw everything at that election. Normally they do little as assume everyone votes Labour.

I think on local level more independent Cllrs are needed. That take up issues of there local electors. Rather than a party.