Lambeth Council elections 2022
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CH1
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I think they are stuffing the ballot boxes. There has to be some reason why they keep the ballot boxes overnight and then have alarmingly high turnouts - with 80% Labour vote.
Gramsci
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I'm not sure if you are Lambeth based. But on voting in Lambeth. Lambeth is run by the right of the party. The LD Cllrs we used to have were very good in opposition.
I used to deal with one and they were helpful.
I voted Green as can't stand the thought of another Labour Progress Council. And Greens were the most realistic chance to increase scrutiny of this Council. Greens had good policies on housing etc. Unlike the New Labour lot. As backbench Labour Cllrs are gagged the Green Cllrs did a lot to hold the present over paid Central Committee to acccont. No wonder Donatus looked so flash at the count. On his 35 thousand allowances he should look smart at the count. This is why some of the Labour Cllrs are so excited at winning. Keep their nice payouts.
Realistically the LDs in Lambeth are no more or less on the Left than the present Labour Group.
So if lang rabbie was suggesting vote tactically to get more of an opposition then I don't have a problem with voting tactically to get a LD Cllr.
In Lambeth the party of the working class is anything but that. So in the Alice in Wonderland world of Lambeth politics Labour isn't really what it seems.
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CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
This is a bit technical for me. Wasn't Steve Reed Labour Co-op?
If so the right-wingers have used Trotskyite methods to control Lambeth Labour Party and the council since 2006.
And the dodgy high margin majorities started with the wipe-out election of 2014 - when the count was not done immediately, but 12 hours later in the Brixton Rec, as I said up thread.
Gramsci
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Is that a crime?
TBF I've found LDs I've dealt with in Lambeth better than a lot of New Labour people.
If lang rabbie is a LD then going by his posts on Brixton Forum he's to the left of New Labour imo
Some learnings from standing as a candidate for the first time and thoughts on the results.
1. Diversity - a lot was made of Labour fielding the most diverse set of candidates. Yet Lambeth will be left with limited consenting or critical voices to challenge Labours policies. Whoever you support this is not good and not diverse; Matthew Syed will be spinning in his chair.
2. Democratic representation - there are too many paper candidates. I stood in Myatt’s Fields because I live in the Ward and am passionate about the local area as well as being ideologically aligned with the Greens at a borough policy level. I am happy with our showing but we had a shoestring effort in reality this time but will campaign again in the future I hope. People openly told me they didn’t want to vote Labour but at least they made an effort and send leaflets and do some canvassing - having opposition in the form of me and Zi campaigning was seen as a positive I hope and overall increases focus on the area.
3. Local vs. National - the national issue messaging from Labour and in general tbh was very depressing. That there was a huge number of Labour big hitters that descended on the tight wards is sad considering I am not convinced many of them would have had an understanding of the Ward or Borough issues. This then makes campaigning an arms race.
4. Electoral Services - related to the above, Lambeth Council has a responsibility to educate on local elections better. That someone like Pete Elliot can lose when fighting a campaign focused on sending Boris a message is a shame.
Edited upon seeing is not a red clean sweep!
1. Diversity - a lot was made of Labour fielding the most diverse set of candidates. Yet Lambeth will be left with limited consenting or critical voices to challenge Labours policies. Whoever you support this is not good and not diverse; Matthew Syed will be spinning in his chair.
2. Democratic representation - there are too many paper candidates. I stood in Myatt’s Fields because I live in the Ward and am passionate about the local area as well as being ideologically aligned with the Greens at a borough policy level. I am happy with our showing but we had a shoestring effort in reality this time but will campaign again in the future I hope. People openly told me they didn’t want to vote Labour but at least they made an effort and send leaflets and do some canvassing - having opposition in the form of me and Zi campaigning was seen as a positive I hope and overall increases focus on the area.
3. Local vs. National - the national issue messaging from Labour and in general tbh was very depressing. That there was a huge number of Labour big hitters that descended on the tight wards is sad considering I am not convinced many of them would have had an understanding of the Ward or Borough issues. This then makes campaigning an arms race.
4. Electoral Services - related to the above, Lambeth Council has a responsibility to educate on local elections better. That someone like Pete Elliot can lose when fighting a campaign focused on sending Boris a message is a shame.
Edited upon seeing is not a red clean sweep!
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no, but people giving analysis and advice on tactical voting should really be upfront about their political affiliations. Although tbf claiming the lib dems were in contention in a ward where they got 10% of the vote last time is as good a sign of a LD activist as wearing a yellow rosette.
Gramsci
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I think it does.
I'm one of those minority who does take an interest.
There is a whole lot of people who feel that the Council does what it wants anyway. Read the whole Guardian piece. My quote was from the bit about the recent IPPR study on what voter think of democracy in this country.
Admittedly this study was done with Tories are in power. But the New Labour years led to a lot of voter dissatisfaction. Even if they still voted Labour.
From what I saw when I voted and what other posters here have said turnout was low. Despite pressing concerns.
This from the Guardian piece related to my other post. By IPPR member:
I agree with this comment. My Labour Cllrs have being going on about Ukraine. Can't help feeling the same as what this person in IPPR says. Admittedly I'm someone who is engaged in local democracy so see how our political class works. So am in a minority. A lot of people understandably don't take part. Not due to apathy or lack of knowledge. But because they don't see it as making a difference to their lives. Time better spent looking to further interests of their families. On individual basis rather than as part of a collective/ community.
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CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Matthew Bryant will be a good councillor.
This result has a least let a chink of light into the stygian gloom
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I think that is an odd comment about discussion on a anonymous bulletin board where one can be accused of "doxxing"
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
you are doing what my Grandmother used to think very funny:
"Show me your credentials!"
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
That depends. I can recall getting a shit storm for daring to defend Becca Thackeray against an autistic self-styled tenants leader who was an associate of Tim Briggs.
Sometimes, when mental issues and Class War coincide all hell breaks loose. Being on the receiving end is unpleasant.
If you wanted to recommend some etiquette about tactical voting recommendations why didn't you simply do that?
Demanding are you a Lib Dem activist is an accusation rather than a recommendation if I might say so.
Gramsci
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Well at least something to celebrate.
Gramsci
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Your not really a regular on Brixton Forum are you? Or am I wrong and you are on this forum every day?
I've seen way poster lang rabbie posts here and as far as I'm concerned his "credentials" are fine by me.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I think he was quite effective at "driving policy" as they say - but possibly Progress Labour's worst listener.
I thought we weren't doing credentials?
Gramsci
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Its an interesting question.
In early days of the Labour party it was not the monolithic party it became. The other parties that were involved with early days of Labour party were the ( Marxist) Social Democratic Federation and the now forgotten highly influential Independent Labour Party. The early days of the Labour Party were not that rigid.
Which is what makes Starmers hounding of the left in party even more ahistorical. The Labour party wasnt just one thing its early days. Its links with the Coop party are reminder of this.
Gramsci
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Take that as a no then
I post in new posts on topics that interest me.
colacubes
Mr Hot Cookie
Tbf I don’t think he’s being unreasonable. I’ve been on here nearly 20 years and follow lang rabbie both here and on Twitter and had no idea till today that he’s a Lib Dem activist as I mostly stay out of the politics forum. And I have no problem with that but knowing it helps to put his post in context.
Gramsci
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Fair enough. Apologies I was in hindsight being a bit harsh.
Gramsci
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Been looking at the results. Quite depressing. Was hoping a few more opposition Cllrs.
I'm afraid the Labour Group will see this result as vindication of ALL their policies. I've never seen them reflect on their actions/ policies.
They are likely to see this a mandate to do what they want. And any opposition will be made to feel they aren't at all representative.
Make me question my involvement in local issues. I don't need this.
I'm afraid the Labour Group will see this result as vindication of ALL their policies. I've never seen them reflect on their actions/ policies.
They are likely to see this a mandate to do what they want. And any opposition will be made to feel they aren't at all representative.
Make me question my involvement in local issues. I don't need this.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I think Orange Bookers are very out these days. Though I noticed Susan Kraemer, Baroness, was on TV at 6 am commenting on results.
I have never read the Orange Book so I'm not sure of all its arguments.
The one thing I remember about Susan Kraemer was when she was adopted as candidate for Norwood parliamnetary seat she asked me for a briefing on policing and community issues. I guess this may have been around 1986 - and she knew I was a regular at Community Police Consultative meeting.
Talking of Norwood parliamentary candiadtes there was a Tory - Dominic Grieves - who went to most CPCGL meetings and often spoke (sense too).
Maybe Dominic Grieve is the only Tory who could have made an intelligent contribution to our national polity.
Where is he now? - expelled due to Brexit and the right wing hijack.
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