Lambeth Council Watch - news and updates about the 'co-operative' council

[edcraw]

I know this sort of thing is widespread, but I don't know how someone can want to represent an area unless they've lived there for a while. To me it feels dishonest. I think Lambeth is the best place in the world, and I want my local politicians to beleive that too. How can someone claim that they're the best person to represent what Lambeth residents feel and also claim that they're the best person to represent what Dartfod (or wherever) residents feel. They can't be both.

Well yes it’s widespread- Sunak has no connection with Yorkshire, Johnson wouldn’t have been seen dead in Uxbridge. But some (at least one) of the Lambeth councillors are looking to stand in areas they are from.

Does Dartford have any Labour councillors? Does it have Labour members that would make good MPs? What if more than one great politician live in the same constituency?

It’d be good if the snide attacks would pinpoint the exact issue as it seems to be just a bit bitchy otherwise.

 

[Tulster218]

Well yes it’s widespread- Sunak has no connection with Yorkshire, Johnson wouldn’t have been seen dead in Uxbridge. But some (at least one) of the Lambeth councillors are looking to stand in areas they are from.

Does Dartford have any Labour councillors? Does it have Labour members that would make good MPs? What if more than one great politician live in the same constituency?

It’d be good if the snide attacks would pinpoint the exact issue as it seems to be just a bit bitchy otherwise.

I'm sure Dartford has someone who lives there and could represent them in parliament. It seems obvious.

 

[edcraw]

I'm sure Dartford has someone who lives there and could represent them in parliament. It seems obvious.

Have you been to Dartford?

But is that the issue? That all MPs should be local?

 

[nagapie]

Well yes it’s widespread- Sunak has no connection with Yorkshire, Johnson wouldn’t have been seen dead in Uxbridge. But some (at least one) of the Lambeth councillors are looking to stand in areas they are from.

Does Dartford have any Labour councillors? Does it have Labour members that would make good MPs? What if more than one great politician live in the same constituency?

It’d be good if the snide attacks would pinpoint the exact issue as it seems to be just a bit bitchy otherwise.

The exact issue is that although we would love to see the back of Jim Dickson, we wouldn't wish him on Dartford.
What you are hearing is a disbelief that this man has a genuine desire for anything except to further his career and his Starmarist agenda. In fact you've accurately compared him to Sunak and Johnson

 

[edcraw]

The exact issue is that although we would love to see the back of Jim Dickson, we wouldn't wish him on Dartford.
What you are hearing is a disbelief that this man has a genuine desire for anything except to further his career and his Starmarist agenda. In fact you've accurately compared him to Sunak and Johnson

Well at least you’re honest about the reason for objecting to it.

Who’s the Respect party candidate for Dartford?

The “Starmarist agenda” might actually put an end to 14 years of the Tories fucking the country but maybe you’ve been insulated enough from that to not mind if it continues.

 

[Tricky Skills]

Herne Hill residents need representation over the next month with Brockwell Live taking place in the ward. I hope Lucky Jim is around to monitor how the events he so enthusiastically endorsed are carried out.

 

[CH1]

I know this sort of thing is widespread, but I don't know how someone can want to represent an area unless they've lived there for a while. To me it feels dishonest. I think Lambeth is the best place in the world, and I want my local politicians to beleive that too. How can someone claim that they're the best person to represent what Lambeth residents feel and also claim that they're the best person to represent what Dartfod (or wherever) residents feel. They can't be both.

I guess it's all a gamble - like Rishi's gamble.
If JD were to be elected in Dartford he might very well make some ministerial ranking which would be the icing on the cake after representing Herne Hill since 1990.
BTW his Wikipedia entry seems to contain some serious distortion:

Jim Dickson (politician) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The reason he became leader of the Labour Group in 1994 was because inveterate battle-axe (or campaigner) Anna Tappsell who had been elected leader had altered her disability parking badge to change the date - giving herself an extra year of free parking. In those days Lambeth politics was pretty vicious, and a Tory councillor made a complaint to the Police - with photos.
Anyway Gentleman Jim was elected replacement leader but to call it leader of the council would be a stretch.
The composition of the council was (New)Labour 24 Lib Dem 24 Tory berks (including Charlie Elphicke whose wife was recently in the news) 16.

edit gable → gamble

 

[lang rabbie]

I know this sort of thing is widespread, but I don't know how someone can want to represent an area unless they've lived there for a while. To me it feels dishonest. I think Lambeth is the best place in the world, and I want my local politicians to beleive that too. How can someone claim that they're the best person to represent what Lambeth residents feel and also claim that they're the best person to represent what Dartfod (or wherever) residents feel. They can't be both.

Some of these councillors have genuine connections to seats they are standing in as the area where they grew up, but others do just seem to have been put forward as acceptably Progress or "Starmerite" candidate i.e. most definitely not a Corbynite.

 

[CH1]

'scuse my cheek here, but this must be the ultimate case of "jumping"
I don't know Sir Graham Watson - but apparently he was in the Vauxhall Lib Dems in the 1980s, after which he served as a Lib Dem Euro MP for Southwest England.
Now he is standing in the Euro Elections next month in Italy - as a Lib Dem
As you will hear, should you click on the link, his enthusiasm transfers well into Italian!

 

[BusLanes]

I do find it weird that London councils especially seem to be a nursery for MPs for the majority parties especially.

That's probably in part because councils are pretty big, as well of course being party political.
Lots of room for ambitions in a council group of 63.

Doesn't mean people have to like it. I also don't like people with MP parents or spouses being in parliament, even though presumably some of them are quite good.

 

[edcraw]

I do find it weird that London councils especially seem to be a nursery for MPs for the majority parties especially.

Are there any actual stats on this?

 

[lang rabbie]

'scuse my cheek here, but this must be the ultimate case of "jumping"
I don't know Sir Graham Watson - but apparently he was in the Vauxhall Lib Dems in the 1980s, after which he served as a Lib Dem Euro MP for Southwest England.
Now he is standing in the Euro Elections next month in Italy - as a Lib Dem
As you will hear, should you click on the link, his enthusiasm transfers well into Italian!
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Dr Rita Giannini is an Italian national and her husband Graham Watson therefore has dual nationality.

 

[BusLanes]

Are there any actual stats on this?

Someone's surely done it.

But with 63 councillors and being right across the river from Westminster it'd be odd if there were not a few every cycle

 

[edcraw]

Someone's surely done it.

But with 63 councillors and being right across the river from Westminster it'd be odd if there were not a few every cycle

Well why don’t we do it with Lambeth. I’ll start with John Major - who’s next?

 

[BusLanes]

Well why don’t we do it with Lambeth. I’ll start with John Major - who’s next?

Elphicke, Mandelson, Bercow, De Cordova, Livingston

 

[Gramsci]

The “Starmarist agenda” might actually put an end to 14 years of the Tories fucking the country but maybe you’ve been insulated enough from that to not mind if it continues.

Not voting Tory is what will put end to Tories.

Whether that's Labour, Green , LD in England. Scotland and Wales also have nationalist parties.

Are you saying people should vote Labour only to end this?

I did think democracy was about choice

 

[Gramsci]

I do find it weird that London councils especially seem to be a nursery for MPs for the majority parties especially.

That's probably in part because councils are pretty big, as well of course being party political.
Lots of room for ambitions in a council group of 63.

Doesn't mean people have to like it. I also don't like people with MP parents or spouses being in parliament, even though presumably some of them are quite good.

Lambeth is run by right of party. So all it's Cllrs are considered safe pair of hands for seats. That might explain why so many seem able to get seats.

Of course someone like Cllr Martin Abrams definitely no.

 

[Gramsci]

On Cllr Dickson. Yes hes on right of party.

I've found him one of the more intelligent Cllrs. He is also someone one can sit down and do business with.

Trust me some Cllrs aren't very bright.

He has the ability imo to be an MP. Whatever I think of his politics.

He's done his time. A long time as Cllr. So I don't begrudge him trying to move on to be an MP.

Myself I won't be voting Labour. Probably Green at next election.

 

[Tulster218]

Have you been to Dartford?

But is that the issue? That all MPs should be local?

That's my issue, yes. All prospective politicians should decide where to live, decide what they believe in and then ask people to vote for them based on that. They shouldn't decide where to live, or what to believe in, just because it's more likely to get them elected.

It's like when athletes change their nationality so that they can compete in the Olympics to represent a small third world country. It just seems wrong and dishonest somehow.

 

[edcraw]

Not voting Tory is what will put end to Tories.

Whether that's Labour, Green , LD in England. Scotland and Wales also have nationalist parties.

Are you saying people should vote Labour only to end this?

I did think democracy was about choice

No, not saying that but I’m sure you appreciate that it takes more than just a lot of people not voting Tory to get rid of them in our first past the post democracy.

 

[freshapple]

No, not saying that but I’m sure you appreciate that it takes more than just a lot of people not voting Tory to get rid of them in our first past the post democracy.

Yeah, just randomly voting Not Tory would probably guarantee a Tory government tbh

 

[Torpid Scorpion]

Ill specifically be voting for Florence Eshalomi at the next election and I urge you to do so as well if you are fortunate enough to have the opportunity to do so.

 

[CH1]

Ill specifically be voting for Florence Eshalomi at the next election and I urge you to do so as well if you are fortunate enough to have the opportunity to do so.

I think this is an odd thing to say. She has a majority of 19,612 at the moment and seems highly unlikely to lose.
There could be other considerations - saving the deposit of a much-loved Trot, making sure the Greens and Lib Dems come in above the Tories etc.

Your comment reminds me of my friend (in Streatham constituency) who last time proudly announced he had voted for Jeremy Corbyn.
Reason being my friend is very opposed to Brexit. Shows how closely he'd been following politics doesn't it!

 

[Tricky Skills]

An interesting, but equally disappointing piece from The Times. What did you expect...

When I spoke with the journo it was clear what his agenda was: Lambeth is shit because it supports active travel. I tried to steer him away from this, as I know The People's Audit did as well. There are many sticks to beat Lambeth with, but to be fair, they do active travel rather well, Streatham LTN aside.

I suggested that he look deeper into housing and the massive financial waste of HfL. He skimmed the surface. I get the impression that he knew this, but he also knows his Times audience well.

 

[CH1]

An interesting, but equally disappointing piece from The Times. What did you expect...

When I spoke with the journo it was clear what his agenda was: Lambeth is shit because it supports active travel. I tried to steer him away from this, as I know The People's Audit did as well. There are many sticks to beat Lambeth with, but to be fair, they do active travel rather well, Streatham LTN aside.

I suggested that he look deeper into housing and the massive financial waste of HfL. He skimmed the surface. I get the impression that he knew this, but he also knows his Times audience well.

Thanks for posting that. Seems very definitely an awful warning for the country what you get if you vote for mean minded sectarian cyclist LTN Labour.
But he could have singled on many other places with Labour councils - but then perhaps the author lives in Lambeth?
Disappointing I did not detect a Green quote in there - but maybe that was superfluous as the intention is to portray a borough which is inefficient, cruel and yet spendthrift on environmental measures.
There is a linked article which gives the ranking of local authorities - if this works - https://archive.ph/aXcIt
This is a bit of an odd list.
For example Broadland, which is a Green parliamentary target, and a hung council, ranks 6th overall, 103rd on waste, joint 77th on roads, joint 73rd on Social Care and 190th on Planning.

What does it all mean? If it means anything at all I think we may need to resurrect St Thomas Aquinas for analysis. It is repeatedly alleged that Aquinas argued about how many angels danced on the tip of pin. Actually it is much more complicated - starting with whether angels have any corporeal body at all. This is the sort of detailed analysis that the Times - OFLOG local authority league table seems to call for SUMMA THEOLOGIAE: The substance of the angels absolutely considered (Prima Pars, Q. 50)

 

[Tulster218]

Thanks for posting that. Seems very definitely an awful warning for the country what you get if you vote for mean minded sectarian cyclist LTN Labour.
But he could have singled on many other places with Labour councils - but then perhaps the author lives in Lambeth?
Disappointing I did not detect a Green quote in there - but maybe that was superfluous as the intention is to portray a borough which is inefficient, cruel and yet spendthrift on environmental measures.
There is a linked article which gives the ranking of local authorities - if this works - https://archive.ph/aXcIt
This is a bit of an odd list.
For example Broadland, which is a Green parliamentary target, and a hung council, ranks 6th overall, 103rd on waste, joint 77th on roads, joint 73rd on Social Care and 190th on Planning.

What does it all mean? If it means anything at all I think we may need to resurrect St Thomas Aquinas for analysis. It is repeatedly alleged that Aquinas argued about how many angels danced on the tip of pin. Actually it is much more complicated - starting with whether angels have any corporeal body at all. This is the sort of detailed analysis that the Times - OFLOG local authority league table seems to call for SUMMA THEOLOGIAE: The substance of the angels absolutely considered (Prima Pars, Q. 50)

 

[CH1]

suggested replacement image below

Not my point really - I was pondering whether OFLOG produces meaningful or credible information.
Appreciate that in the modern mind league tables are sacrosanct - even if no-one understands how they are drawn up.
The statistician as theologian if you will - and just as liable to corruption.
Possibly the image below is nearer the truth? (St Thomas rescued for a chaste life from a prostitute by angels) [Velázquez]

 

[Casaubon]

On Cllr Dickson. Yes hes on right of party.

I've found him one of the more intelligent Cllrs. He is also someone one can sit down and do business with.

Trust me some Cllrs aren't very bright.

He has the ability imo to be an MP. Whatever I think of his politics.

He's done his time. A long time as Cllr. So I don't begrudge him trying to move on to be an MP.

Myself I won't be voting Labour. Probably Green at next election.

Whenever Dickson is mentioned I feel the need to remind everyone that he spent hundreds of thousands of pounds of our money on destroying the community of Rushcroft Rd and Clifton Mansions.

I wouldn't piss in his mouth if his teeth were on fire.

 

[Tulster218]

Whenever Dickson is mentioned I feel the need to remind everyone that he spent hundreds of thousands of pounds of our money on destroying the community of Rushcroft Rd and Clifton Mansions.

I wouldn't piss in his mouth if his teeth were on fire.

And Florence Esholomi was responsible for putting a gym in Minet Library. I won't forget that.

 

[Gramsci]

Yeah, just randomly voting Not Tory would probably guarantee a Tory government tbh

The more sophisticated version of this is put forward by pressure group Compass.

That depending where one is in the country one could vote LD/ Green or Labour depending which one is more likely to defeat Tories.

As Compass call for a kind of progressive united front against the right ( Tories)

That in some parts of country if those who voted for one candidate all voted Labour or instead LD depending on local circumstances then the , according to Compass. Progressive candidate would defeat Tories.

Instead of split progressive vote.

Reason I get tetchy about the you ought to vote Labour line is that it's the self entitlement of Labour party that one should vote for them

This didn't apply to Corbyn.

Last election I told one of my local Cllrs Id vote Labour and liked Corbyn. They looked disappointed.

So all this stuff about getting Tories out was secondary to getting Corbyn out imo.