Johann Hari admits copying and pasting interview quotes

[FridgeMagnet]

I bet he's really, honestly sorry he falsified and plagiarised, because without that he'd not have got caught doing it.

 

[audiotech]

He hasn't resigned, he has been suspended for two months while under investigation. Despite everything he refuses to resign. Sympathy for the devil here...

You're a bit late to the party, that's already been pointed out. If you hang about for a mo butchersapron will be along to give you a bollocking for not reading the thread.

 

[audiotech]

I bet he's really, honestly sorry he falsified and plagiarised, because without that he'd not have got caught doing it.

There's that word "idiotic" he'll have at the fore-front of his mind till the day he dies to consider.

 

[audiotech]

Actually, as a star columnist Hari only had to write 2 pieces a week so had more than enough time to earn his generous wage with original and truthful work.

What? At the Star? You are joking right?

 

[sihhi]

The poor fucker will be in a dark corner somewhere.

I've already said what I felt needed to be said and as I understand it he has now resigned.

Don't let me get in the way of this little witch-hunt any further.

Shame on you for calling this a witch hunt.

He helped carry on the witch hunt of anti-globalisation protestors, antiwar / peace movement activists, Tariq Ali, John Pilger, Noam Chomsky, Toni Negri etc etc. It's important to see who is attacking who.

Hari-ism about Dubai http://www.thenational.ae/news/worl...i-to-task-over-portrayal-of-dubai?pageCount=0

"All over the city," he claimed, "there are maxed-out expats sleeping secretly in the sand-dunes or the airport or in their cars."

The "utter implausibility of this section of the article", wrote Saul, "makes it hard to take anything seriously" - including the interview that closed the article, supposedly conducted with an anonymous and curiously loquacious Filipina serving behind the counter at a Pizza Hut restaurant.

"Everything in Dubai is fake," she was said to have told Hari, in an elegantly phrased and apparently verbatim quote. "The trees are fake, the workers' contracts are fake, the islands are fake, the smiles are fake - even the water is fake ... Dubai is like an oasis. It is an illusion, not real. You think you have seen water in the distance, but you get close and you only get a mouthful of sand."

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On July 12, Walters reported that he had spoken to Al-Attar, who claimed Hari's account of their meeting was "a gross distortion, and consists of statements that Ahmed says he never made". Neither does Ahmed speak, as Hari wrote, "American English", and nor had they met, as Hari had claimed, in "an identikit Starbucks", but in a hotel beach cafe.

 

[Pickman's model]

The poor fucker will be in a dark corner somewhere.

good

I've already said what I felt needed to be said and as I understand it he has now resigned.

Don't let me get in the way of this little witch-hunt any further.

how dare you contrast the banal inventions of hari with the burning of women at the stake

 

[OneStrike]

What? At the Star? You are joking right?

Heh

 

[audiotech]

how dare you contrast the banal inventions of hari with the burning of women at the stake

Now that's what I call an invention.

 

[audiotech]

Shame on you for calling this a witch hunt.

He helped carry on the witch hunt of anti-globalisation protestors, antiwar / peace movement activists, Tariq Ali, John Pilger, Noam Chomsky, Toni Negri etc etc. It's important to see who is attacking who.

Hari-ism about Dubai http://www.thenational.ae/news/worl...i-to-task-over-portrayal-of-dubai?pageCount=0

Dubai, ruled by the Al Maktoum family since 1833, with many of its foreign workers living in conditions "less than human".

Any sources about the "witch-hunt" you ascribe to Hari?

 

[lazyhack]

What? At the Star? You are joking right?

At the Indy, where he is a 'star columnist'. Do keep up.

 

[audiotech]

At the Indy, where he is a 'star columnist'. Do keep up.

This is the post of yours I was commenting on:

]Actually, as a star columnist Hari only had to write 2 pieces a week so had more than enough time to earn his generous wage with original and truthful work.

My emphasis.

It's you who needs to "keep up". With your very own posts.

 

[belboid]

This is the post of yours I was commenting on:



My emphasis.

It's you who needs to "keep up". With your very own posts.

you're not seriously trying to argue that, are you? It's just silly.

 

[audiotech]

I'm in a silly mood today, but I take your point.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Now that's what I call an invention.

Nah. We have historical proof, thanks to one of the Stuart monarchs being a bit of (as are most monarchs, to be scrupulously fair) a wanker. The who "burn them at the stake" thing was, after all, a Scottish punishment. South of the border, they were hanged, and in a majority of the German lande, strangled.

 

[Pickman's model]

Now that's what I call an invention.

Mark Twain, a long time resident of Heidelberg, wrote these thoughts about the witch hunt in his Europe and Everywhere notes, “During many ages there were witches. The Bible said so. The Bible commanded that they should not be allowed to live. Therefore the Church, after eight hundred years, gathered up its halters, thumb-screws, and firebrands, and set about its holy work in earnest. She worked hard at it night and day during nine centuries and imprisoned, tortured, hanged, and burned whole hordes and armies of witches, and washed the Christian world clean with their foul blood. Then it was discovered that there was no such thing as witches, and never had been. One does not know whether to laugh or to cry…”

http://mygermantravels.com/2011/04/german-witch-hunt/

 

[Pickman's model]

Nah. We have historical proof, thanks to one of the Stuart monarchs being a bit of (as are most monarchs, to be scrupulously fair) a wanker. The who "burn them at the stake" thing was, after all, a Scottish punishment. South of the border, they were hanged, and in a majority of the German lande, strangled.

scottish, france, switzerland, scandinavia, ireland...

 

[ViolentPanda]

scottish, france, switzerland, scandinavia, ireland...

More fun to blame the Jocks, though.

 

[lazyhack]

This is the post of yours I was commenting on:



My emphasis.

It's you who needs to "keep up". With your very own posts.

Do you understand capitalisation and the difference between a Star journalist and a star journalist?

 

[audiotech]

Nah. We have historical proof, thanks to one of the Stuart monarchs being a bit of (as are most monarchs, to be scrupulously fair) a wanker. The who "burn them at the stake" thing was, after all, a Scottish punishment. South of the border, they were hanged, and in a majority of the German lande, strangled.

I understand all that. An interesting book I read on the subject (sorry, I can't remember the title of it?), wrote of women with knowledge of healing processes, handed down from generations of women, being victims of these witch-hunts. It was put that these women were seen as a 'threat' to the emerging male, medical establishment and why they were abused, tortured, hanged, put to the stake, and very likely, all manner of other atrocities heaped upon them.

The invention I was referring to was Pickman's use of hyperbole to attack me.

 

[audiotech]

Do you understand capitalisation and the difference between a Star journalist and a star journalist?

I do now.

 

[sihhi]

Dubai, ruled by the Al Maktoum family since 1833, with many of its foreign workers living in conditions "less than human".

Any sources about the "witch-hunt" you ascribe to Hari?

You used the term, Hari has distorted, misquoted and lied about all of those groups and people/their ideas painting them out as anti-democrats. See earlier in the thread.

Where is the evidence of the Dubai homeless expatriates? "maxed-out" expatriates just went and left Dubai in 2009, thousands of people left and the landlords couldn't find people to fill their houses. The conversation doesn't sound right. It's in direct speech marks but the speaker goes from saying "guy" to "boy" about a 27 year old. He is sentenced to 6 months but he will be out after 9 months. Does none of this strike you as iffy given Hari's record of falsification?

Karen Andrews can't speak. Every time she starts to tell her story, she puts her head down and crumples. She is slim and angular and has the faded radiance of the once-rich, even though her clothes are as lined as her forehead now. I find her in the car park of one of Dubai's finest international hotels, where she is living, in her Range Rover. She has been sleeping here for months, thanks to the kindness of the Bangladeshi car park attendants who don't have the heart to move her on. This is not where she thought her Dubai dream would end.

Her story comes out in stutters, over four hours. At times, her old voice - witty and warm - breaks through. Karen came here from Canada when her boyfriend was offered a job in the senior division of a famous multinational. "When he said Dubai, I said - if you want me to wear black and quit booze, baby, you've got the wrong girl. But he asked me to give it a chance. And I loved him."

All her worries melted when she touched down in Dubai in 2005. "It was an adult Disneyland, where Sheikh Mohammed is the mouse," she says. "Life was fantastic. You had these amazing big apartments, you had a whole army of your own staff, you pay no taxes at all. It seemed like everyone was a CEO. We were partying the whole time."

Her husband Daniel bought two properties. "We were drunk on Dubai," she says. But for the first time in his life, he was beginning to mismanage their finances. "We're not talking huge sums, but he was getting confused. It was so unlike Daniel, I was surprised. We got into a little bit of debt." After a year, she found out why: Daniel was diagnosed with a brain tumour.

One doctor told him he had a year to live; another said it was benign and he'd be okay. But the debts were growing. "Before I came here, I didn't know anything about Dubai law. I assumed if all these big companies come here, it must be pretty like Canada's or any other liberal democracy's," she says. Nobody told her there is no concept of bankruptcy. If you get into debt and you can't pay, you go to prison.

"When we realized that, I sat Daniel down and told him: listen, we need to get out of here. He knew he was guaranteed a pay-off when he resigned, so we said - right, let's take the pay-off, clear the debt, and go." So Daniel resigned - but he was given a lower pay-off than his contract suggested. The debt remained. As soon as you quit your job in Dubai, your employer has to inform your bank. If you have any outstanding debts that aren't covered by your savings, then all your accounts are frozen, and you are forbidden to leave the country.

"Suddenly our cards stopped working. We had nothing. We were thrown out of our apartment." Karen can't speak about what happened next for a long time; she is shaking.

Daniel was arrested and taken away on the day of their eviction. It was six days before she could talk to him. "He told me he was put in a cell with another debtor, a Sri Lankan guy who was only 27, who said he couldn't face the shame of his family. Daniel woke up and the boy had swallowed razor-blades. He banged for help, but nobody came, and the boy died in front of him."

Karen managed to beg from her friends for a few weeks, "but it was so humiliating. I've never lived like this. I worked in the fashion industry. I had my own shops. I've never..." She peters out.

Daniel was sentenced to six months imprisonment at a trial he couldn't understand. It was in Arabic, and there was no translation. "Now I'm here illegally too," Karen says. "I've got no money, nothing. I have to last nine months until he's out, somehow." Looking away, almost paralyzed with embarrassment, she asks if I could buy her a meal.

She is not alone. All over the city, there are maxed-out expats sleeping secretly in the sand-dunes or the airport or in their cars.

"The thing you have to understand about Dubai is - nothing is what it seems," Karen says at last. "Nothing. This isn't a city, it's a con-job. They lure you in telling you it's one thing - a modern kind of place - but beneath the surface it's a medieval dictatorship."

 

[audiotech]

I'm questioning your use of the term?

He helped carry on the witch hunt of anti-globalisation protestors, antiwar / peace movement activists,...

I don't dispute what you post on Hari's article about Dubai, nonetheless, the point that it treats it's foreign workers "less than human", as expressed by 'Human Rights Watch' no less, still stands, as does the fact that Dubai has been ruled by one family since 1833.

 

[sihhi]

I'm questioning your use of the term?



I don't dispute what you post on Hari's article about Dubai, nonetheless, the point that it treats it's foreign workers "less than human", as expressed by 'Human Rights Watch' no less, still stands, as does the fact that Dubai has been ruled by one family since 1833.

Sure it stands but the inconsistencies in the interview mean those aspects of the article can easily be dismissed.

 

[frogwoman]

I'm questioning your use of the term?



I don't dispute what you post on Hari's article about Dubai, nonetheless, the point that it treats it's foreign workers "less than human", as expressed by 'Human Rights Watch' no less, still stands, as does the fact that Dubai has been ruled by one family since 1833.

And because of the damage hari's done it will mean that dodgy shit about dubai or whatever will be able to be able to be more easily dismissed as the rantings of a fantasist

 

[eoin_k]

The poor fucker will be in a dark corner somewhere.

I've already said what I felt needed to be said and as I understand it he has now resigned.

Don't let me get in the way of this little witch-hunt any further.

Are you being deliberately obtuse or have you put yourself on ignore?

 

[audiotech]

If you say so.

 

[eoin_k]

It was a question not a statement.

 

[audiotech]

Are you being deliberately obtuse or have you put yourself on ignore?

I would think that's beyond even NOTW hackers?

 

[eoin_k]

That is a statement and not a question.

 

[audiotech]

It was a question not a statement.

That was to frogwoman.