belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I think you are creditting the Labour party with too much integrity
James Purnell Resigns: Wants Brown to Go
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I think you are creditting the Labour party with too much integrity
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think it has the same organsational traits as any body. Nothing to do with principles. I wish it were. He is gone for 12 years.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Purnell is clearly just doing what he feels will give him the best chance of getting more power and influence later in the game. He might have been in with a chance of getting Jacqui Smith's job in the coming reshuffle (read barrel scraping) but he'd be home secretary in a doomed government. He's clearly not acting on principle anyway, because he has no principles.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Woollyredhat
Active Member
Et tu Brute?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oo est ceaser?
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Hurrah!
Badger Kitten
oof
This is better than watching rats scurry to leave a sinking ship
Some ferrets in a sack, recently
Labour were in the shit the minute it collectively said Gordon is the man for the job. He had 6 weeks that were almost perfect - then a big decision had to be made. He had to decide whether to call a snap general election. He pondered, he pondered some more, we waited, he pondered some more, thought about it, slept on it, slept on it again, pondered and pondered some more. About two weeks later he had made up his mind, no general election.
That was the oddest General election campaign known to man and the 6 weeks of good work was undone and questionmarks were above his head.
The nodding dogs continued to nod, but in secret they were thinking wtf have we done.
Now the nodding dogs have stopped nodding and are looking with a bit of clarity. From a selfish perspective, which MPs and Ministers generally look at, Lab Ministers are thinking - Brown = my career down the toilet.
The reason why these career politicians are not offering a leadership charge is because they know they won't win the next general election.
The nodding dogs are still nodding - but they are looking at future career possibilities.
A lot more than half of Lab think Gordon is a cunt.
That was the oddest General election campaign known to man and the 6 weeks of good work was undone and questionmarks were above his head.
The nodding dogs continued to nod, but in secret they were thinking wtf have we done.
Now the nodding dogs have stopped nodding and are looking with a bit of clarity. From a selfish perspective, which MPs and Ministers generally look at, Lab Ministers are thinking - Brown = my career down the toilet.
The reason why these career politicians are not offering a leadership charge is because they know they won't win the next general election.
The nodding dogs are still nodding - but they are looking at future career possibilities.
A lot more than half of Lab think Gordon is a cunt.
Ding dong, the witch is dead! Which old witch? james fucking purnell!
In yo face!
In yo face!
nothing would surprise me less.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
I'm not taking any pleasure from this.
British people fought, demonstrated, marched, went on strike and were imprisoned, beaten and bayoneted over centuries so that they would no longer be governed by the whims of the rich and powerful but so that they had power over their own lives. The right to vote, the welfare state, the eradication of poverty, the establishment of civil and human rights and protection of workers were the fruits of that struggle and the Labour was the political mechanism created by the workers movement to bring those things about. Yes it was always corrupted by power, it as always compromised by having work within the limits set by the the balance of class forces, it was often incompetent, autocratic, over authoritarian and many times acted agasint the interests of those it was elected to serve.
However there always the touchstone of its founding principles and the history of the struggles which brought it about acting as a moral compass and imperative.
Blair and co eradciated that, hi-jacking the movement and entwining it to a neo-liberal agenda. It became purely of party run by and for the managers, marketeers, media moguls and bueracrats and the majority of its upper echelon nothing but cynical careerists.
And now these vermin are tearing each other apart as the rootless, unprincipled, corrupt and incompetant self parody that the labour party has become crumbles into toxic dust.
This is all that remains of what the tolpuddle martyrs sacrificed themsleves for, what the victims of peterloo died for, what kier hardy and nye bevan and millions of working class people devoted years of sweat and blood for.
I have not voted for them since 1997 but this miserable spectacle is utterly depressing to witness.
British people fought, demonstrated, marched, went on strike and were imprisoned, beaten and bayoneted over centuries so that they would no longer be governed by the whims of the rich and powerful but so that they had power over their own lives. The right to vote, the welfare state, the eradication of poverty, the establishment of civil and human rights and protection of workers were the fruits of that struggle and the Labour was the political mechanism created by the workers movement to bring those things about. Yes it was always corrupted by power, it as always compromised by having work within the limits set by the the balance of class forces, it was often incompetent, autocratic, over authoritarian and many times acted agasint the interests of those it was elected to serve.
However there always the touchstone of its founding principles and the history of the struggles which brought it about acting as a moral compass and imperative.
Blair and co eradciated that, hi-jacking the movement and entwining it to a neo-liberal agenda. It became purely of party run by and for the managers, marketeers, media moguls and bueracrats and the majority of its upper echelon nothing but cynical careerists.
And now these vermin are tearing each other apart as the rootless, unprincipled, corrupt and incompetant self parody that the labour party has become crumbles into toxic dust.
This is all that remains of what the tolpuddle martyrs sacrificed themsleves for, what the victims of peterloo died for, what kier hardy and nye bevan and millions of working class people devoted years of sweat and blood for.
I have not voted for them since 1997 but this miserable spectacle is utterly depressing to witness.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Meet the next PM, James Purnell. That would be so funny.
I think this really is the defining moment for Labour. Effectively those who created New Labour have turned on one of its creators.
Those who would consider themselves as 'Old' Labour now have a choice although its more a case of dammed if they do or dammed if they dont. If they side with Purnell then its going to be a case of those involved in the New Labour project stamping their authourity over the party for the post-election period. I am guessing that they know the next election is lost. I would guess that they would be looking to re-invent themselves as some sort of joint New Labour-Lib Dem alliance and it explains all the recent noises about PR (dont forget that in 97 New Labour had a manifesto pledge to hold a referendum on PR as sop to a potential Lib Dem alliance and which they reneged on, without the slightest sense of shame, when they realised they did not need them).
But they could decide to take back control of the party and go back to presenting themselves as the real representatives of the British working classes. However that then brings them around to the rather tricky issue of the whole notion of 'British Jobs for British workers' and given the lefts obvious discomfort with even trying to deal with this idea it could merely see them just fracture into splinters as the various parts of the left wage ideological wars in opposition.
As a Tory I love it and wish a plague on both houses but I think this is the moment in which the Labour party decides it future for the next 15 or so years.
Those who would consider themselves as 'Old' Labour now have a choice although its more a case of dammed if they do or dammed if they dont. If they side with Purnell then its going to be a case of those involved in the New Labour project stamping their authourity over the party for the post-election period. I am guessing that they know the next election is lost. I would guess that they would be looking to re-invent themselves as some sort of joint New Labour-Lib Dem alliance and it explains all the recent noises about PR (dont forget that in 97 New Labour had a manifesto pledge to hold a referendum on PR as sop to a potential Lib Dem alliance and which they reneged on, without the slightest sense of shame, when they realised they did not need them).
But they could decide to take back control of the party and go back to presenting themselves as the real representatives of the British working classes. However that then brings them around to the rather tricky issue of the whole notion of 'British Jobs for British workers' and given the lefts obvious discomfort with even trying to deal with this idea it could merely see them just fracture into splinters as the various parts of the left wage ideological wars in opposition.
As a Tory I love it and wish a plague on both houses but I think this is the moment in which the Labour party decides it future for the next 15 or so years.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
The hills of Philippi await.
Woollyredhat
Active Member
Indeed, and we all know how that turned out 
Although I'm not a Labour party supporter anymore I can heartily agree with the above statement.
For all its faults the Labour party pre Blair it did at least try to help those who needed help and was the party that formed the NHS and made real the dreams of Beveridge.
I think the tragedy of New Labour is the way it shat on the heritage of all those who grafted for the Labour Party for the right reasons.
Now Labour is dead and it has died by its own hand. Although I'm pleased to see the death of a corrupt bunch of authoritarian fuckwits this celebration is tinged with sadness at the thought of what might have been.
dennisr
the acceptable face
James Purnell "His statement, effectively declaring Brown as unelectable"
The irony of Parnell's own actions over the last few years ae obviously lost on him - the tosser
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I love the idea that Purnell shoots his load all over the 10 o'clcok news, the media goes wild and the PLP ignores him. Not sure it was supposed to work this way . . .
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
That scary thought has crossed my mind, he's positioning himself well for it, by jumping ship sooner rather than later, distancing himself from Brown at this stage distinguishes him from the other contenders...Meet the next PM, James Purnell. That would be so funny.
That scary thought has crossed my mind, he's positioning himself well for it, by jumping ship sooner rather than later, distancing himself from Brown at this stage distinguishes him from the other contenders...
There is a worse alternative. PM Mandleson
Why would you be against Mandelson when he's one of the most odious Tory bastards the world has ever produced?
That scary thought has crossed my mind, he's positioning himself well for it, by jumping ship sooner rather than later, distancing himself from Brown at this stage distinguishes him from the other contenders...
If that ever happened Labour would be finished for good.
i see your point. I would like to see Labour be Labour again. I would actually vote for them if they were.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He's got you there!
He's got you there!
ha ha no reply!
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