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does anyone know whether the JCP are obliged to provide a suitable environment for their interviews? IOW, if I don't want to discuss my medical status/issues in front of everyone else, can I insist on a private room? If so, what if they say they haven't the facilities?
 
The Oh so liberal Observer supports the welfare reforms, why am I not surprised.

btw, much of this is part of the Lisbon Agenda

'Under the terms of the Lisbon Agenda there's an tacit understanding that in future:

"The overall goal of neoliberal communitarian citizenship is to
ensure that citizens, for the cause of global competitiveness, become less reliant on the state for welfare protection and more ‘employable in order to adapt to ‘more flexible labour markets and ‘flexible working conditions ... "
 
From the photo I thinks that JP is deliberately pulling a smug face for the camera.
I don't think its a candid shot, either he has asked the phographer to do a smug shot, or he has been asked to do a smug pose.

I don't like the little fucker myself, but I think this whole dole thing, is either gonna go the poll tax way, and be recalled back to the old style, or something more workable.
OR, it could be a contrived news item, (media fed appropriately) to distract from other areas of government which would impact more of the public.

Shame really, because my mental health carers and me, reckon this has caused a noteable downturn in my mental health.
Im sure, I am one of many.
 
treelover said:
The Oh so liberal Observer supports the welfare reforms, why am I not surprised.

btw, much of this is part of the Lisbon Agenda

'Under the terms of the Lisbon Agenda there's an tacit understanding that in future:

"The overall goal of neoliberal communitarian citizenship is to
ensure that citizens, for the cause of global competitiveness, become less reliant on the state for welfare protection and more ‘employable in order to adapt to ‘more flexible labour markets and ‘flexible working conditions ... "
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It's a pity that 'flexible' only seems to be to suit the employer and not the employee (unless you're working for a council/ civil service where they do more of this)

If they really wanted 'flexible' they would allow people to keep more benefits whilst working on temporary, part time contracts.
 
impludo said:
From the photo I thinks that JP is deliberately pulling a smug face for the camera.
I don't think its a candid shot, either he has asked the phographer to do a smug shot, or he has been asked to do a smug pose.

I don't like the little fucker myself, but I think this whole dole thing, is either gonna go the poll tax way, and be recalled back to the old style, or something more workable.
OR, it could be a contrived news item, (media fed appropriately) to distract from other areas of government which would impact more of the public.

Shame really, because my mental health carers and me, reckon this has caused a noteable downturn in my mental health.
Im sure, I am one of many.
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Sadly I don't see a big poll tax style objection coming, mainly because there has been too much successful lying about benefits claimants.

The only thing that might happen is when lots of *real* people lose their jobs and get thrown onto the dole, might appreciate it's not as easy as it's been painted and wise up.

The media hate campaign that now makes it publically acceptable to describe those with longterm sickness and disabilities as "spongers" is no less than evil.
 
impludo said:
From the photo I thinks that JP is deliberately pulling a smug face for the camera.
I don't think its a candid shot, either he has asked the phographer to do a smug shot, or he has been asked to do a smug pose.

I don't like the little fucker myself, but I think this whole dole thing, is either gonna go the poll tax way, and be recalled back to the old style, or something more workable.
OR, it could be a contrived news item, (media fed appropriately) to distract from other areas of government which would impact more of the public.

Shame really, because my mental health carers and me, reckon this has caused a noteable downturn in my mental health.
Im sure, I am one of many.
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you are.
 
Thing is, the DWP are now operating under the belief that ALL work ANY work is good for you; ergo if you have mental health issues these will be 'cured' by the magical panacea of 'having a job', regardless of whether that job is suitable or if the environment is a painful house of stress and tension, or...
 
Awesome Wells said:
Thing is, the DWP are now operating under the belief that ALL work ANY work is good for you; ergo if you have mental health issues these will be 'cured' by the magical panacea of 'having a job', regardless of whether that job is suitable or if the environment is a painful house of stress and tension, or...
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well yes, work shall set you free. Thing is for some people having a job IS a help. They springboard from that to assume that everyone who is on incapacity benefit can definetly benefit from work. Never mind that they're also on dla eh? they can't touch the dla, so just threaten to withdraw the benefit they can touch unless the poor bastard wheels himself down to the job centre to attend a bullshit work focused interview.
 
The only thing that might happen is when lots of *real* people lose their jobs and get thrown onto the dole, might appreciate it's not as easy as it's been painted and wise up.
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@this, it is going to be a real wake up call, as many new 'claimants wiill over time be called up for these interviews, etc, they are not going to be happy after 'paying their stamp for years', etc.
 
treelover said:
@this, it is going to be a real wake up call, as many new 'claimants wiill over time be called up for these interviews, etc, they are not going to be happy after 'paying their stamp for years', etc.
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This is true. If insurance companies operated in this way they'd be hauled up for fraud.
 
_angel_ said:
Sadly I don't see a big poll tax style objection coming, mainly because there has been too much successful lying about benefits claimants.

The only thing that might happen is when lots of *real* people lose their jobs and get thrown onto the dole, might appreciate it's not as easy as it's been painted and wise up.

The media hate campaign that now makes it publically acceptable to describe those with longterm sickness and disabilities as "spongers" is no less than evil.
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It is absolutely despicable that people with millions (newspaper proprietors) are jealous of people on £60 a week and want to take away what little they've got
 
DotCommunist said:
well yes, work shall set you free. Thing is for some people having a job IS a help. They springboard from that to assume that everyone who is on incapacity benefit can definetly benefit from work. Never mind that they're also on dla eh? they can't touch the dla, so just threaten to withdraw the benefit they can touch unless the poor bastard wheels himself down to the job centre to attend a bullshit work focused interview.
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this is the problem: i would entirely agree that in certain circumstances the right job for the right person would help. But unfortunately the JC assume that means ANY work for ALL people. Anything else means that the 'right' job is pie in the sky. That is ridiculous. We've all done jobs that would seem conventionally shit that have been better experiences than more conventionally 'illustrious' jobs.

The WFI letter states that it will 'help you to understand clearly the financial health and social benefits of work' (thus again the JC assumes you are stupid).

All of this is baffling: what happens at the interview if you maintain you are not able to go through with this because you are, as they know and has been validated and verified, unable to? it's all so bizarre, if nothing else; this focus on work - but not health.
 
But this so called ethic 'work'....a puritan christian ethic......the banks are now bust...so work means driving to somewhere sit yakking shifting selling a bit of plastic,metal, food......???

Some volunteer and help the community other ways. They work for free and I think Purswellls theory is everyone does something...for nothing.....or else.
 
Cressi said:
But this so called ethic 'work'....a puritan christian ethic......the banks are now bust...so work means driving to somewhere sit yakking shifting selling a bit of plastic,metal, food......???

Some volunteer and help the community other ways. They work for free and I think Purswellls theory is everyone does something...for nothing.....or else.
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That lot don't want people volunteering in charity shops and perish the thought doing their own volunteering.. they want to get them into sweeping the floors of Asda, for no pay of course, so the biggest companies on the planet can get free staff.
 
_angel_ said:
That lot don't want people volunteering in charity shops and perish the thought doing their own volunteering.. they want to get them into sweeping the floors of Asda, for no pay of course, so the biggest companies on the planet can get free staff.
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exactly as i have always said its all about the return to serfdom there are not enough jobs in the world let alone this country so its all about population mangment and pr spin on numbers hence the idea to bring back short term tenencies to move the population around :mad:
 
_angel_ said:
That lot don't want people volunteering in charity shops and perish the thought doing their own volunteering.. they want to get them into sweeping the floors of Asda, for no pay of course, so the biggest companies on the planet can get free staff.
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which is entirely similar to the problem i have: they want me to see their provider, even at the expense of the help i already receive. Why? Because it benefits their agenda and tickbox culture. Not because it's best for the client.
 
_angel_ said:
That lot don't want people volunteering in charity shops and perish the thought doing their own volunteering.. they want to get them into sweeping the floors of Asda, for no pay of course, so the biggest companies on the planet can get free staff.
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already happening. The government are paying Asda to have free staff. So Asda have stopped advertising for staf!
 
_angel_ said:
The fact he hasn't had a proper job in his life just adds insult to injury. Even his uni holiday job was working for Tony Blair!
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People like Dennis Skinner have fought for their constituents all their lives yet this yuppie twat comes out of nowhere and is given a huge wage, no wonder people have deserted Labour in their droves
 
Awesome Wells said:
Thing is, the DWP are now operating under the belief that ALL work ANY work is good for you; ergo if you have mental health issues these will be 'cured' by the magical panacea of 'having a job', regardless of whether that job is suitable or if the environment is a painful house of stress and tension, or...
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Well, maybe, what those who cannot work for mentalillness reasons ought to remember, is that for some of them, it was being in the wrong workplace, at the wrong time, for the wrong reasons, with the wrong people that caused or exacerbated their condition in the first place.
 
impludo said:
Well Whaddya know folks-clickme
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Yes, I saw that. Simply suggesting they postpone the reforms (which they won't do) doesn't actually tackle the problems that he himself cites..
(not purnell that sir richard guy suggesting they delay it)




But from Monday, those with children aged 12 and over will no longer be able to make a new claim for income support.

Instead, they will be able to claim Jobseekers Allowance if they are actively looking for work.

For those already claiming income support, changes will be phased in next year.

The total amount they can receive will be almost exactly the same, but anyone not complying with the new rules could face sanctions, including having their benefits cut by up to 40%.

Behavioural problems

Sir Richard said that could push people "much closer to poverty".

"Of course, the child will suffer, but it's not the child that has fallen foul of the system."

He said he was concerned about the availability of suitable, affordable childcare and there was often a reason that the lone parent was staying at home.


"It may be to do with disability or chronic illness, or in some cases it may be to do with behavioural problems," he said.

"So pushing the lone [parent] in those circumstances into work may actually not be in everybody's interest.

"In many cases it will be harmful and lead to further behavioural problems."
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The bit I highlighted : won't be any different in a couple of years anyway.
 
".....those who have been buried within the last 12 months, will be exhumed on.........SNIP.....of those who were cremated in this time........a green paper has been.... ....."
 
I wouldnt care, in 2003, when I really did believe my doc could force me back to work, she had to tell me times are not that draconian, and perhaps my worrying was a little out of proportion, but nowadays.......
 
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