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What a classy move that was, propose to abolish income support and shift the carers onto jsa, whilst similtaneously reneging on the pledge in the Carer's National Strategy to come up with policies to deal with the chronic levels of benefit that they receive.

What a guy! :rolleyes:

tell me more about this, i knew he had plans to force single mothers onto JSA but nothing about carers, and how - if you're a carer - can you look for a job while...er...caring?
 
tell me more about this, i knew he had plans to force single mothers onto JSA but nothing about carers, and how - if you're a carer - can you look for a job while...er...caring?
Latest Green Paper, No one written off: rewarding welfare to reward responsibility, makes a whole heap of proposals - workfare for jsa claimants, work-seeking for esa claimants, and IS to be abolished with residual claimants all moved over to jsa - the main body of people claiming IS are carers now so they stand to be hit the hardest on the last proposal.

There should a White Paper Welfare Reform Bill come the start of December so that's when we find out what is in store - i've heard privately that some of the proposals may be watered down due to the chronic economic conditions but it wouldn't surprise me if its actually full steam ahead - JP was very bullish on the radio today about pressing ahead with reforms.
 
tell me more about this, i knew he had plans to force single mothers onto JSA but nothing about carers, and how - if you're a carer - can you look for a job while...er...caring?

According to his response he said:

"I was sorry to read of the distress that angel's friend experienced. However, the regulatory changes that we propose state that parents with children on the middle or highest rate care component of DLA will remain elgible for income support and will not be required to actively look for work"


Now, good you may think, but it's different to what I've heard a) from job centre plus staff themselves "they're ending income support" altho quite often their staff are precisely the last people to know what is going on, and b) from carers forums who seem to think they ARE proposing JSA but not specifying that carers look for work.

Also, it doesn't explain the situation for carers caring for ADULTS. Maybe they are forced onto JSA? Not sure.

The thing is, even now as a carer on income support we are being made to go to 'work focussed interviews' or lose benefit and I have myself experienced probs getting there and I'm not the only one - some people literally have no respite cover even to pop to the shops, never mind attend a mandatory interview. Yeah, you don't HAVE to look for work, but you DO have to attend or have benefit taken off you.

The fact it has not occurred to this bastard that there are some carers who have to look after partners (etc) 24/7 and can not even get the time to go out take a walk around the block, let alone bugger off for an afternoon of mandatory time wasting, just says it all really.

Don't get me started on how it affects someone's self esteem when you're told, yes, you're saving society £XXXmillions a year in care bills but you are fundamentally useless and not contributing to society by not having a job. :mad: :mad:

Compared to a lot of people, I have it easy (at least my kids are out for a few hours at school), but for carers of adults it can be a different story
 
Angel, have you read that Guardian article on CIF?, prepare yourself!

Swarthy gave me a resume of it, not sure I really need to read it to predict it's journalism-by-cliches and extrapolating one persons experience out to cover thousands of people.
 
The thing is, even now as a carer on income support we are being made to go to 'work focussed interviews' or lose benefit and I have myself experienced probs getting there and I'm not the only one - some people literally have no respite cover even to pop to the shops, never mind attend a mandatory interview. Yeah, you don't HAVE to look for work, but you DO have to attend or have benefit taken off you.

The fact it has not occurred to this bastard that there are some carers who have to look after partners (etc) 24/7 and can not even get the time to go out take a walk around the block, let alone bugger off for an afternoon of mandatory time wasting, just says it all really.

Don't get me started on how it affects someone's self esteem when you're told, yes, you're saving society £XXXmillions a year in care bills but you are fundamentally useless and not contributing to society by not having a job. :mad:

Compared to a lot of people, I have it easy (at least my kids are out for a few hours at school), but for carers of adults it can be a different story


I was *ahem* invited for a work focussed interview via a letter addressed to my partner (not me) on pain of him getting his benefit docked if I didn't show up. The letter was extremely threatening, and if my caree hadn't been on betablockers I dread to think what would have happened as his condition is made much worse by stress.:eek:

This was while there was a decision pending on his DLA renewal, and I'd been getting carers premium + Joint IS for 3 years (again, stopped pending DLA decision). Rang the jobcentre and made it crystal clear that if I had to attend, they'd have to pay the taxi fare for me and my caree, there & back, and they'd better have a disabled loo etc... (also sent a formal letter, with all this in to the jobcentre and to the local MP). Anyway, the so-called claimant adviser conceded that I'd probably got my hands quite full and agreed to postpone the interview. I haven't been *invited* back since then, touch wood.

Carers UK kicked up a stink about the WFI invitation letter after a flood of letters & calls from extremely distressed carers, and although it's still sent, the wording has changed a bit, and it's now addressed directly to the carer, not the caree, even if the carer is a dependant.

IMHO all carers should be exempt from looking for work - to get CA (or the carers premium on top of IS) you have to do at least 35 hours of care/supervision for somebody currently receiving at least middle rate care DLA. CA is the only benefit you actually have to be currently working (although not necessarily employed) to get (instead of the other way around). This works out at less than £1 an hour, for the required minimum hours. Not even legal minimum wage.:mad:

The other thing is, being a carer is allegedly (according to him and his cronies) to be a short term thing for most carers -
BOLLOCKS!
I have been a carer for over 10 years, and my partner (also my caree) shows no signs (touch wood) of either miraculously recovering or dying in the next 10 years.

Going to have to buy a dartboard, just so I can put smug git Purnell's face on it.:mad: I bloody well hope he loses all his money, becomes a carer for more than one person and the strain of it makes him physically disabled, leading to a slow and painful death while being hounded through the benefits maze.:mad:

Edited to add: Allegedly, transferring any carers who get IS + carers premuim onto JSA is part of streamlining the benefit system, and carers tranferred to JSA won't be required to actively seek work. I'm all for efficiency, but seeing as a disability (albeit not my own) prevents me being able to hold down a full time job, why not streamline IS + carer premium into DLA or that one replacing IB instead?
 
I wonder if this dick-head could cope with spending 8hrs a day with people he cant abide.
But I guess, he tried and got a 4icking :) off his coworkers for being irritating.
 
According to his response he said:

"I was sorry to read of the distress that angel's friend experienced. However, the regulatory changes that we propose state that parents with children on the middle or highest rate care component of DLA will remain elgible for income support and will not be required to actively look for work"


Now, good you may think, but it's different to what I've heard a) from job centre plus staff themselves "they're ending income support" altho quite often their staff are precisely the last people to know what is going on, and b) from carers forums who seem to think they ARE proposing JSA but not specifying that carers look for work.

Also, it doesn't explain the situation for carers caring for ADULTS. Maybe they are forced onto JSA? Not sure.

The thing is, even now as a carer on income support we are being made to go to 'work focussed interviews' or lose benefit and I have myself experienced probs getting there and I'm not the only one - some people literally have no respite cover even to pop to the shops, never mind attend a mandatory interview. Yeah, you don't HAVE to look for work, but you DO have to attend or have benefit taken off you.

The fact it has not occurred to this bastard that there are some carers who have to look after partners (etc) 24/7 and can not even get the time to go out take a walk around the block, let alone bugger off for an afternoon of mandatory time wasting, just says it all really.

Don't get me started on how it affects someone's self esteem when you're told, yes, you're saving society £XXXmillions a year in care bills but you are fundamentally useless and not contributing to society by not having a job. :mad: :mad:

Compared to a lot of people, I have it easy (at least my kids are out for a few hours at school), but for carers of adults it can be a different story


Christ! Every day you want to kill him more...
 
I was *ahem* invited for a work focussed interview via a letter addressed to my partner (not me) on pain of him getting his benefit docked if I didn't show up. The letter was extremely threatening, and if my caree hadn't been on betablockers I dread to think what would have happened as his condition is made much worse by stress.:eek:

This was while there was a decision pending on his DLA renewal, and I'd been getting carers premium + Joint IS for 3 years (again, stopped pending DLA decision). Rang the jobcentre and made it crystal clear that if I had to attend, they'd have to pay the taxi fare for me and my caree, there & back, and they'd better have a disabled loo etc... (also sent a formal letter, with all this in to the jobcentre and to the local MP). Anyway, the so-called claimant adviser conceded that I'd probably got my hands quite full and agreed to postpone the interview. I haven't been *invited* back since then, touch wood.

Carers UK kicked up a stink about the WFI invitation letter after a flood of letters & calls from extremely distressed carers, and although it's still sent, the wording has changed a bit, and it's now addressed directly to the carer, not the caree, even if the carer is a dependant.

IMHO all carers should be exempt from looking for work - to get CA (or the carers premium on top of IS) you have to do at least 35 hours of care/supervision for somebody currently receiving at least middle rate care DLA. CA is the only benefit you actually have to be currently working (although not necessarily employed) to get (instead of the other way around). This works out at less than £1 an hour, for the required minimum hours. Not even legal minimum wage.:mad:

The other thing is, being a carer is allegedly (according to him and his cronies) to be a short term thing for most carers -
BOLLOCKS!
I have been a carer for over 10 years, and my partner (also my caree) shows no signs (touch wood) of either miraculously recovering or dying in the next 10 years.

Going to have to buy a dartboard, just so I can put smug git Purnell's face on it.:mad: I bloody well hope he loses all his money, becomes a carer for more than one person and the strain of it makes him physically disabled, leading to a slow and painful death while being hounded through the benefits maze.:mad:

Edited to add: Allegedly, transferring any carers who get IS + carers premuim onto JSA is part of streamlining the benefit system, and carers tranferred to JSA won't be required to actively seek work. I'm all for efficiency, but seeing as a disability (albeit not my own) prevents me being able to hold down a full time job, why not streamline IS + carer premium into DLA or that one replacing IB instead?

Good to see you made life awkward for the bastards!
 
Christ! Every day you want to kill him more...


yes, he's a truly vile man:mad: But the problem is that he seems to have public opinon on his side:eek:
They were discussing benefits on Radio London's morning phone in show last Friday, and call after call was from people who really belived the stereotype of claimants living on council estates in the lap of luxury surrounded by plasma tellys, knocking out babies to get more money. Very few people phoning up with the other side of the argument - it made for very depressing listening.:(
 
Purnell has the sort of face that I could happily punch over and over again and not get fed up. :D

There was an amusing story about him last year where his constituency staff had photoshopped him into a picture attending the opening of a new ward (iirc) at Tameside Hospital. Because of that, I often refer to him as "The Man Who Wasn't There". :D He's typical of the new PPE type of politician if you ask me.
 
yes, he's a truly vile man:mad: But the problem is that he seems to have public opinon on his side:eek:
They were discussing benefits on Radio London's morning phone in show last Friday, and call after call was from people who really belived the stereotype of claimants living on council estates in the lap of luxury surrounded by plasma tellys, knocking out babies to get more money. Very few people phoning up with the other side of the argument - it made for very depressing listening.:(


thats more to do with the call screening tbf. Although the vil axis of talksport/mail/express do love to stoke the scrounger rage in idiots, there are quite a lot of people who don't buy the lie
 
yes, he's a truly vile man:mad: But the problem is that he seems to have public opinon on his side:eek:
They were discussing benefits on Radio London's morning phone in show last Friday, and call after call was from people who really belived the stereotype of claimants living on council estates in the lap of luxury surrounded by plasma tellys, knocking out babies to get more money. Very few people phoning up with the other side of the argument - it made for very depressing listening.:(

Phone in programmes are usually right wing, catering for Sun Reader types and lets face it, it's the biggest selling paper in the UK so a certain amount of brainwashing goes on. Its also a sad fact that people never care unless they themselves are put in that situation like someone i know who is a Tory, he lost his job and house and conceded to me "fucking hell i never realised it was THAT hard to get dole or a house" - he ended up moving back down south in the end!
 
thats more to do with the call screening tbf. Although the vil axis of talksport/mail/express do love to stoke the scrounger rage in idiots, there are quite a lot of people who don't buy the lie

You are right. Its like the letters page of any tabloid, ever week it's "I was outraged when i read your expose of (insert benefit scroungers, immmigrants, whatever)" and on and on. In fact you wonder if its the newspaper's editor who makes them all up. I know that people like me would NEVER be allowed to have their letters published...
 
According to his response he said:

"I was sorry to read of the distress that angel's friend experienced. However, the regulatory changes that we propose state that parents with children on the middle or highest rate care component of DLA will remain elgible for income support and will not be required to actively look for work"


Now, good you may think, but it's different to what I've heard a) from job centre plus staff themselves "they're ending income support" altho quite often their staff are precisely the last people to know what is going on, and b) from carers forums who seem to think they ARE proposing JSA but not specifying that carers look for work.

Also, it doesn't explain the situation for carers caring for ADULTS. Maybe they are forced onto JSA? Not sure.

The thing is, even now as a carer on income support we are being made to go to 'work focussed interviews' or lose benefit and I have myself experienced probs getting there and I'm not the only one - some people literally have no respite cover even to pop to the shops, never mind attend a mandatory interview. Yeah, you don't HAVE to look for work, but you DO have to attend or have benefit taken off you.

The fact it has not occurred to this bastard that there are some carers who have to look after partners (etc) 24/7 and can not even get the time to go out take a walk around the block, let alone bugger off for an afternoon of mandatory time wasting, just says it all really.

Don't get me started on how it affects someone's self esteem when you're told, yes, you're saving society £XXXmillions a year in care bills but you are fundamentally useless and not contributing to society by not having a job. :mad: :mad:

Compared to a lot of people, I have it easy (at least my kids are out for a few hours at school), but for carers of adults it can be a different story
:STEAMING!:
James fucking purnell should count himself very lucky he hasn't had to wait 8 hours until 4am for an ambulance for a disabled relative to arrive, or had to clean up after someone who isn't able to use a toilet very well. Sorry for the imagery but this subject makes my blood boil. The state' continued demonisation of carers is beyond sickening; such people are made to feel like spongers thanks to the likes of him and he has no clue as to how difficult, draining and stressful (and necessary) it is for these people who are, after all, only human.

As for the back to work initiative (pogrom would be a better world); i have spent all summer looking for an agency to help me move forward as i suffer a number of issues that mean I'm 'scrounging on the sick'. Having finally found one that seems positive and having built a relationship with them over the 3 appoitnments we've had thus far I've now been given my now-mandatory pathways to work interview. The upshot means that i will be referred to JCP's provider of choice, which means having to give up the relationship and the help I currently have (they can't work with me as well). Well fucking done Purnell, there's a place in hell just waiting for you.

None of this contributes to the issues or answers the problems I'm afraid; just my little rant.
 
:STEAMING!:
James fucking purnell should count himself very lucky he hasn't had to wait 8 hours until 4am for an ambulance for a disabled relative to arrive, or had to clean up after someone who isn't able to use a toilet very well. Sorry for the imagery but this subject makes my blood boil. The state' continued demonisation of carers is beyond sickening; such people are made to feel like spongers thanks to the likes of him and he has no clue as to how difficult, draining and stressful (and necessary) it is for these people who are, after all, only human.

As for the back to work initiative (pogrom would be a better world); i have spent all summer looking for an agency to help me move forward as i suffer a number of issues that mean I'm 'scrounging on the sick'. Having finally found one that seems positive and having built a relationship with them over the 3 appoitnments we've had thus far I've now been given my now-mandatory pathways to work interview. The upshot means that i will be referred to JCP's provider of choice, which means having to give up the relationship and the help I currently have (they can't work with me as well). Well fucking done Purnell, there's a place in hell just waiting for you.

None of this contributes to the issues or answers the problems I'm afraid; just my little rant.

People are already being forced into jobs at Asda (the govt give the company them free!) which beggars belief cos the fuckers had ME on the edge of a breakdown so what would it be like for people coming off incapacity and having to work there?
 
trouble is with this government they just don't listen. Anyone who's against Purnell is only doing it cos they're a 'scrounger'. Anyone who's against ID cards must have something to hide.
 
If we are getting a slap gallery update, surely to god Milliband has to be in thier. I've never seen a face that so cries out for a slapping
 
In fact you wonder if its the newspaper's editor who makes them all up.

It wouldn't surprise me tbh. I have it on fairly good information that the tabloid papers troll their own forums with 'outrageous' comments about immigrants to stoke debate and increase hits.
 
People are already being forced into jobs at Asda (the govt give the company them free!) which beggars belief cos the fuckers had ME on the edge of a breakdown so what would it be like for people coming off incapacity and having to work there?
I find these whole pathways to work interviews, or whatever they are called, rather insidious: the state has accepted you are unwell and can't work, but then simultaneously seems to want to force you to do something you aren't able to do or up to doing. It just beggars belief.
 
I was *ahem* invited for a work focussed interview via a letter addressed to my partner (not me) on pain of him getting his benefit docked if I didn't show up. The letter was extremely threatening, and if my caree hadn't been on betablockers I dread to think what would have happened as his condition is made much worse by stress.:eek:

This was while there was a decision pending on his DLA renewal, and I'd been getting carers premium + Joint IS for 3 years (again, stopped pending DLA decision). Rang the jobcentre and made it crystal clear that if I had to attend, they'd have to pay the taxi fare for me and my caree, there & back, and they'd better have a disabled loo etc... (also sent a formal letter, with all this in to the jobcentre and to the local MP). Anyway, the so-called claimant adviser conceded that I'd probably got my hands quite full and agreed to postpone the interview. I haven't been *invited* back since then, touch wood.

Carers UK kicked up a stink about the WFI invitation letter after a flood of letters & calls from extremely distressed carers, and although it's still sent, the wording has changed a bit, and it's now addressed directly to the carer, not the caree, even if the carer is a dependant.

IMHO all carers should be exempt from looking for work - to get CA (or the carers premium on top of IS) you have to do at least 35 hours of care/supervision for somebody currently receiving at least middle rate care DLA. CA is the only benefit you actually have to be currently working (although not necessarily employed) to get (instead of the other way around). This works out at less than £1 an hour, for the required minimum hours. Not even legal minimum wage.:mad:

The other thing is, being a carer is allegedly (according to him and his cronies) to be a short term thing for most carers -
BOLLOCKS!
I have been a carer for over 10 years, and my partner (also my caree) shows no signs (touch wood) of either miraculously recovering or dying in the next 10 years.

Going to have to buy a dartboard, just so I can put smug git Purnell's face on it.:mad: I bloody well hope he loses all his money, becomes a carer for more than one person and the strain of it makes him physically disabled, leading to a slow and painful death while being hounded through the benefits maze.:mad:

Edited to add: Allegedly, transferring any carers who get IS + carers premuim onto JSA is part of streamlining the benefit system, and carers tranferred to JSA won't be required to actively seek work. I'm all for efficiency, but seeing as a disability (albeit not my own) prevents me being able to hold down a full time job, why not streamline IS + carer premium into DLA or that one replacing IB instead?


I'm glad you stood up for yourself!! I don't know how these gits are getting away with it. If you're sick, it's no barrier to getting a job, if you are caring around the clock with no respite it's no barrier to getting a job... wtf??
They get away with this lazy demonisation of people on benefits as being spongers raking it in because they don't tend to meet carers or the people genuinely sick -- most of them don't get out very much!

Don't know if you know of this forum, btw http://carerwatchdotcom.myfineforum.org/index.php
 
I was *ahem* invited for a work focussed interview via a letter addressed to my partner (not me) on pain of him getting his benefit docked if I didn't show up. The letter was extremely threatening, and if my caree hadn't been on betablockers I dread to think what would have happened as his condition is made much worse by stress.:eek:

This was while there was a decision pending on his DLA renewal, and I'd been getting carers premium + Joint IS for 3 years (again, stopped pending DLA decision). Rang the jobcentre and made it crystal clear that if I had to attend, they'd have to pay the taxi fare for me and my caree, there & back, and they'd better have a disabled loo etc... (also sent a formal letter, with all this in to the jobcentre and to the local MP). Anyway, the so-called claimant adviser conceded that I'd probably got my hands quite full and agreed to postpone the interview. I haven't been *invited* back since then, touch wood.

Carers UK kicked up a stink about the WFI invitation letter after a flood of letters & calls from extremely distressed carers, and although it's still sent, the wording has changed a bit, and it's now addressed directly to the carer, not the caree, even if the carer is a dependant.

IMHO all carers should be exempt from looking for work - to get CA (or the carers premium on top of IS) you have to do at least 35 hours of care/supervision for somebody currently receiving at least middle rate care DLA. CA is the only benefit you actually have to be currently working (although not necessarily employed) to get (instead of the other way around). This works out at less than £1 an hour, for the required minimum hours. Not even legal minimum wage.:mad:

The other thing is, being a carer is allegedly (according to him and his cronies) to be a short term thing for most carers -
BOLLOCKS!
I have been a carer for over 10 years, and my partner (also my caree) shows no signs (touch wood) of either miraculously recovering or dying in the next 10 years.

Going to have to buy a dartboard, just so I can put smug git Purnell's face on it.:mad: I bloody well hope he loses all his money, becomes a carer for more than one person and the strain of it makes him physically disabled, leading to a slow and painful death while being hounded through the benefits maze.:mad:

Edited to add: Allegedly, transferring any carers who get IS + carers premuim onto JSA is part of streamlining the benefit system, and carers tranferred to JSA won't be required to actively seek work. I'm all for efficiency, but seeing as a disability (albeit not my own) prevents me being able to hold down a full time job, why not streamline IS + carer premium into DLA or that one replacing IB instead?


Sorry to respond twice. :) what you said about the long termism of caring is also true. As long as my children live with me (and don't go into fulltime state care) I will be a carer, so that's potentially a very long time indeed.

The few jobs I have applied for in the intervening time I have been turned down for. Some, when they realise how long I have officially not worked for, don't even bother replying. So if my caring status changes I will be very bottom of the pile for employers to bother with.

That's another point in my letter James Purnell conveniently ignored... long term carers/ parents/sick not actually wanted by employers.

All this just adds up to even crapper self esteem of carers and their carees at the end of the day.
 
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