Biggs, Spaggiari, & Jesse James
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Varicose Brain
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Negative vibe towards myself is what I meant petee. You have a point spring, I wasn't sure which section to post it in, I did it because of the Biggs thread which was also in this section & didn't figure it would be much of an ado. Sign me out Moderator please.
spring-peeper
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and, just like that you quit....
mutters that yanks have no staying power
The mods will not sign you out.
Just leave.
The thread will stay here forever, a tribute to your inability to stay and defend yourself and your views.
spring-peeper
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Dumbass question - why did you start by posting about the train robbers?
Is this something that interests you?
Also, why did you think that a UK board would be a good place to post in?
I was hoping to hear about Jesse James..
I drive through a place in county Kerry quite often. It's a little village called Asdee. When I say little I mean tiny. A church, a school, a post office & two pubs. That's it.
One of the pubs is called the Jesse James Bar.
He was meant to have a connection with the village
I drive through a place in county Kerry quite often. It's a little village called Asdee. When I say little I mean tiny. A church, a school, a post office & two pubs. That's it.
One of the pubs is called the Jesse James Bar.
He was meant to have a connection with the village
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Round here in E Anglia you'd have to be a large town to have all those facilities.
deeyo
hurled unheard to this world.
i wasn't trying to get personal, i don't know you.
the article records a meeting between biggs & spaggiari, where they try to prove to each other & the world that they're a little bit better than the other. 'we got away with more money' 'you forget about inflation' 'i've had plastic surgery three times! 165 stitches!' 'hah! i had 180!' 'well, my book sold better...'
if any actual measuring of organs happened, it wasn't documented.
what i do have a problem with is that you've been interested in spaggiari and managed to miss the fact that the man was a fascist, and your reaction to the claim that he 'was an actual fascist nutjob' :
well, according to spaggiari himself, he did the job to support a greater cause - fascism.
what's your take on that motivation?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
surreybrowncap
“Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand"
There is no truth in the claim that Jesse James's father came from Asdee or indeed anywhere in Ireland.
He was actually born in Kentucky.
James's grandfather was also American born.
Going back to his great grandfather - he emigrated from England in the late 18th century.
A touch of blarney perhaps from the good folk of Asdee?
As for the pub - I believe that was put up for sale in June 2021.
If you drive through again maybe check it out.
The village may now be down to just the one pub!
He definitely had connections there...
The village is best known for its association with Jesse James, whose ancestor, John, lived in Asdee, having moved from the UK, before migrating to the United States in the mid-17th century. Jesse was born in Kearney, Missouri in 1847, going on to become one of the most famous outlaws in the American Wild West.[2]
About - AsdeeVillage.com
A Brief History of Asdee Settlement in the village dates back to at least the mid-11th century, while the ring
asdeevillage.com
I know the pub is closed.
Drove through there last week
....they still have Jesse James on it....dont think its been bought yet.
surreybrowncap
“Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand"
Yes - I did see that about the village.He definitely had connections there...
The village is best known for its association with Jesse James, whose ancestor, John, lived in Asdee, having moved from the UK, before migrating to the United States in the mid-17th century. Jesse was born in Kearney, Missouri in 1847, going on to become one of the most famous outlaws in the American Wild West.[2]
About - AsdeeVillage.com
A Brief History of Asdee Settlement in the village dates back to at least the mid-11th century, while the ring
I know the pub is closed.
Drove through there last week
they still have Jesse James on it....dont think its been bought yet.
But they are a little vague and don't go into much detail.
There doesn't seem to be much evidence as far as I can see.
Asdee is literally just a teeny post office thats attached to a house...tiny primary school...maybe 2 classrooms..about 58 pupils... two pubs (now just one) .. small church and a scattering of houses.
Drive through it in 10 seconds. Maybe 15 seconds if you slow down at the tiny bridge.
Where are you looking?
The Kerryman rarely gets it wrong.
surreybrowncap
“Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand"
Robert S. James - Wikipedia
Robert S. James - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Doesnt mean that there was not a connection with James family in Asdee? Dont forget they say his grandfather was from the UK and the story in Asdee is the James man came from England and then went to America...
Who knows.
The Priest Fr Ferris used to say a mass every year for Jesse and Frank James.
Fr Ferris was the local parish priest for a number of years back in the 1960's and 70's.
During his time in the area he did a lot of work on the connections of the James family with Asdee.
According to Fr Ferris Jesse James father John James and his family lived in Snugboro close to the Broken Bridge and the local Holy Well.
The James family home was in a 10 acre field in what is now owned by Martin Mulvihill.
At that time the townland of Snugboro consisted of two field Upper and Lower Snugboro and it was in the latter that the James family lived.
According to local historians their house was surrounded by an orchard and the late Moss O Mahony came across a pavement on the land when he was ploughing in the field.
He left Asdee with much regret and was said on his departure when he looked back at Snugboro and quipped Goodbye Snugboro and snug you were.
While the James family were Protestant they came to the rescue of a Catholic Priest who was hunted down by the English priest hunters when it was forbidden to celebrate Mass in Ireland during the Cromwellian occupation.
His family left Asdee after the great famine and settled in Clay County, Missouri.
One of 5 sons Robert who was born in 1818 became a Baptist Minister, married a Catholic girl Zerelda Cole and they had two sons Frank and Jesse and a daughter Susan.
Jesse never knew his father as he had gone to California during the Gold Rush and died when Jesse was only 4 years of age.
Jesse Woodson James lived from 5 - 8 - 1847 to 03 - 04 - 1882
On September 8th 1847 Jesse Woodson James was born and went on to become the famous Wild West Outlaw.
Asdee
This feast of entertainment is staged at the local community centre and is supported by people from all over t he North Kerry area.Since its inception back in back in 1992 the concert has been a huge success story and has raised a very substantial amount of money which has been utilised in the...
m.independent.ie
Some mixing up there of dates or maybe famines...1750s famine maybe?
Dunno.
But the James family in Asdee were not Catholic and some emigrated to America
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surreybrowncap
“Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand"
That just tells us of a John James - nothing to prove of any connection.
Possibly there may be some family connection but nothing conclusive.
The document gives the year 1851.
The man who left England (via where ever) died in 1805 - William James(Great grandfather to Jesse)
John M James died in 1827 (Grandfather to Jesse)
I've always been interested in the Wild West history.
I would be fascinated to learn if there was indeed a link.
surreybrowncap
“Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand"
And you can always trust a priestDoesnt mean that there was not a connection with James family in Asdee? Dont forget they say his grandfather was from the UK and the story in Asdee is the James man came from England and then went to America...
Who knows.
The Priest Fr Ferris used to say a mass every year for Jesse and Frank James
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JESSE JAMES: While much has been said and written about Jesse James and his connections with Asdee I was privy to the writings of the late Fr Liam Ferris during the week and it gives a good insight into Jesse James and his connection with the area.
Fr Ferris was the local parish priest for a number of years back in the 1960's and 70's and was noted for his interest in history and folklore and his great love of the Irish language.
During his time in the parish he managed to coax all the business people in the village to change the names of their shops and bars to the national language.
He visited the local school regularly and always loved to hear children speaking the native language.
During his time in the area he did a lot of work on the connections of the James family with Asdee."
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Local Notes
Asdee
February 08 2007 12:11 AM
This feast of entertainment is staged at the local community centre and is supported by people from all over t he North Kerry area.Since its inception back in back in 1992 the concert has been a huge success story and has raised a very substantial amount of money which has been utilised in the construction of a new Catholic Church in the City of Orsk.The good news is that th
This feast of entertainment is staged at the local community centre and is supported by people from all over t he North Kerry area.
Since its inception back in back in 1992 the concert has been a huge success story and has raised a very substantial amount of money which has been utilised in the construction of a new Catholic Church in the City of Orsk.
The good news is that the church is now completed and open to the public with huge congregations attending Mass resulting in many having to listen to the Mass outside over speakers.
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While the Catholic Faith may be on the decline in Ireland the opposite is the case in Russia with a huge increase in the number of converts since the fall of the communist state.
This is the 6th consecutive year that this concert has been held in Asdee which is a measure of the success it has been in the area. Now a good relationship has been built up between the two communities and locals are glad to learn that their support for the fund - raisers is assisting people interested in becoming converted and practicing the Catholic faith.
The concert is being promoted by the Mustard Seed Group in association with the co - operation of members of the local community.
They are a Catholic voluntary charitable organisation based at the Immaculate heart House of Prayer in Doon in County Limerick and since 1991 have been helping the poor and needy of the Soviet Union.
To date the group have travelled to various cities in both Russia and the Ukraine bringing with them spiritual and humanitarian aid.
Since 1995 they have been sending container loads of aid to various organisations to help alleviate the poverty experienced by so many people especially children and the elderly.
In recent tears missionaries have been concentrating on rekindling the faith in Orsk a city on the Ural river, north of the Black Sea, near the line which divides Europe from Asia.
Redempterist missionaries led by Fr. Dariusz Pashinsky CSSR have been in the area and have succeeded in converting many people over the past few years.
Thanks to the initiative of local people a House of Prayer was set up in the city and now the number of converts has been growing at an increased rate.
Fr. Pashinsky has also set up a soup kitchens in the city where people congregate to obtain some food.
The influence of the Western world has now manifested itself throughout Russia and a greater number of people are showing an interest in the Christian way of life.
Over the past few years the Mustard Seed group have shipped out several containers loads of food and clothes which have been distributed among the people in this poverty stricken area.
The group have also published a very informative book entitles Out of the Darkness into the light which gives a great insight on the work they are doing in Russia and the difficult conditions they have to contend with.
The forthcoming concert will feature a whole host of local entertainers and top of the bill will be the widely acclaimed Clare singer Larry Mc Evoy and the 4 Tenors from Tarbert.
Among the local artists that will be on the bill will include Frances and Patsy Kennedy, The local Novelty Act, local musicians Tommy O Carroll and Paddy Horgan The Rambling House man himself Sonny Egan and his great bunch of musicians and All Ireland champion musicians Katie and TP Mc Namara and Dan Keane.
Many special guest appearances are also planned and tickets for the big fundraiser are now widely on sale in the area priced E10.
A Russian priest will be attending the concert and will give people an update on the progress that has been made in the conversion of people in Russia.
During the week sellers will be calling door to door in the area and people are asked to lend their support.
The master of ceremonies for the show is Fr. Pat Moore so a night of great fun and craic is guaranteed.
The curtain for the first act goes up at 8 30pm and everyone is asked to support this very worthy cause.
Even if you are unable to attend the concert purchase a ticket as you know the money will assist in spreading the faith in a land that was once totally Communist.
JESSE JAMES: While much has been said and written about Jesse James and his connections with Asdee I was privy to the writings of the late Fr Liam Ferris during the week and it gives a good insight into Jesse James and his connection with the area.
Fr Ferris was the local parish priest for a number of years back in the 1960's and 70's and was noted for his interest in history and folklore and his great love of the Irish language.
During his time in the parish he managed to coax all the business people in the village to change the names of their shops and bars to the national language.
He visited the local school regularly and always loved to hear children speaking the native language.
During his time in the area he did a lot of work on the connections of the James family with Asdee.
According to Fr Ferris Jesse James father John James and his family lived in Snugboro close to the Broken Bridge and the local Holy Well.
The James family home was in a 10 acre field in what is now owned by Martin Mulvihill.
At that time the townland of Snugboro consisted of two field Upper and Lower Snugboro and it was in the latter that the James family lived.
According to local historians their house was surrounded by an orchard and the late Moss O Mahony came across a pavement on the land when he was ploughing in the field.
He left Asdee with much regret and was said on his departure when he looked back at Snugboro and quipped Goodbye Snugboro and snug you were.
While the James family were Protestant they came to the rescue of a Catholic Priest who was hunted down by the English priest hunters when it was forbidden to celebrate Mass in Ireland during the Cromwellian occupation.
His family left Asdee after the great famine and settled in Clay County, Missouri.
John James was married in Kentucky U.S.A. in 1807.
One of 5 sons Robert who was born in 1818 became a Baptist Minister, married a Catholic girl Zerelda Cole and they had two sons Frank and Jesse and a daughter Susan.
Jesse never knew his father as he had gone to California during the Gold Rush and died when Jesse was only 4 years of age.
Jesse Woodson James lived from 5 - 8 - 1847 to 03 - 04 - 1882
On September 8th 1847 Jesse Woodson James was born and went on to become the famous Wild West Outlaw.
The James family were involved in the American Civil War between the North and South and the James family supported the Southern cause. At the age of 15 Jesse James joined the guerrilla forces of O. W. Quantrell.
Before long he earned the name for himself because of his very daring adventures and his deadly accuracy with a gun. In 1867 he became the leader of the James Gang and was brandished as an outlaw. Before long his gang were robbing banks and trains and a reward of ten thousand dollars was offered for his capture dead or alive.
After a series of railroad robberies The Pinkerton Detective Agency were hired by the Railroads Company to destroy the James Gang."
Asdee
This feast of entertainment is staged at the local community centre and is supported by people from all over t he North Kerry area.Since its inception back in back in 1992 the concert has been a huge success story and has raised a very substantial amount of money which has been utilised in the...
Yes..I've edited that post
There was a famine in 1750 - 1751 also..
I think there could well be links but I dont think the John Janes in the 1851 Griffiths Valuations is Father to Jesse?
Its possible that a grandfather came via Ireland. Also dont forget Ireland was considered UK so....
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Well, when you pop up posting unreferenced bullshit, no context, a stupid assumption that everyone will know the personalities you mention, what the fuck else do you expect?
surreybrowncap
“Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand"
Let's not deprive the village of it's claim to fame - it doesn't seem to have much else going for it
Let's not deprive the village of it's claim to fame - it doesn't seem to have much else going for it
Its actually one the the sppookiest places
I don't like driving through it at all.
Gives me the creeps
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I think you might be doing a tad over the speed limit there
lucky to get out alive
surreybrowncap
“Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand"
Not to mention the danger of pupils being reduced to 57...I think you might be doing a tad over the speed limit there
I think you might be doing a tad over the speed limit there
Ok .maybe 30 seconds between the bridge and the far pub.
surreybrowncap
“Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand"
Ok - you're forgiven.
Ok .maybe 30 seconds between the bridge and the far pub.
The village can sleep easy in their beds - assuming The James Gang descendants aren't wrong 'uns
Ok - you're forgiven.
The village can sleep easy in their beds - assuming The James Gang descendants aren't wrong 'uns
That's about the distancr between the 2 speed signs.
surreybrowncap
“Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand"
Mmmnnn.. Me thinks you doth protest too much Madam
Would not be surprised if you stopped off at Jack J's Public House
Ugh no... never been in it..
It reminds me of a horror film ..a pub you never get out of..
With weirdy locals ready to put you in a barrel and ferment you for 10 yrs
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