james purnell hate thread

[_angel_]

I wouldnt care, in 2003, when I really did believe my doc could force me back to work, she had to tell me times are not that draconian, and perhaps my worrying was a little out of proportion, but nowadays.......

Well the funny thing is everyone is talking about 'being forced back to work'.. what work??

Where is it coming from?? Even before all the unemployment no employers want to take long term sick or not working single parents.. regardless of qualifications or experience..


"Being forced into punitive workfare for benefits" is far truer.

 

[panpete]

"In many cases it will be harmful and lead to further behavioural problems."

Sadly, this is the aim, like it or not.
12yr old kids, will be made to work, and work will not be accepted as a valid excuse for skipping school. Those skipping school will be heavily punished.
No one gets out dead.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Well Whaddya know folks-clickme

the shit that spews from that man's mouth makes me painfully ill.

 

[_angel_]

Sadly, this is the aim, like it or not.
12yr old kids, will be made to work, and work will not be accepted as a valid excuse for skipping school. Those skipping school will be heavily punished.
No one gets out dead.

Actually goodness knows how many kids miss school as child slaves.. sorry carers for an adult in their family and the state turns a blind eye to the situation (at least until they're 18 and can be persecuted as 'spongers' for working without being paid)

 

[Awesome Wells]

Well the funny thing is everyone is talking about 'being forced back to work'.. what work??

Where is it coming from?? Even before all the unemployment no employers want to take long term sick or not working single parents.. regardless of qualifications or experience..


"Being forced into punitive workfare for benefits" is far truer.

it will be the work supplied by the JCP 'providers'. This means casual/part time work - ie work with no future, prospects or hope. Just marking time to chuck Purnell's bosses (which should technically be us) a few pennies to sate the great god 'Economy'.

It won't be meaningful, long term 'gainful' employment; quite the opposite.

And as for the vaunted training options the DWP keep on about, we all know that's not even on the list of options for people on benefits. It's get what you're given and be thankful (because anything else is whinging and scrounging).

God help us that we want to live our lives with some measure of meaning, depth and dignity.

 

[panpete]

Well the funny thing is everyone is talking about 'being forced back to work'.. what work??

Where is it coming from?? Even before all the unemployment no employers want to take long term sick or not working single parents.. regardless of qualifications or experience..


"Being forced into punitive workfare for benefits" is far truer.

Isn't workfare work?
I was on a YTS in thatchers eighties, NE england, unemployment blackspot, of black spots, and I still sat in a room twiddling my thumbs, eight hours a day.
Its a control/fear thing.

 

[panpete]

God help us that we want to live our lives with some measure of meaning, depth and dignity.

Now come on, Awesome, you're just being a spoilt brat now. [joke]
Those things are luxurys, psychological ones, and therefore commodities, which doley's simply cannot afford.
LOL

 

[ViolentPanda]

Well the funny thing is everyone is talking about 'being forced back to work'.. what work??

The work that they'll pay employers to provide, thus making employment even less secure than it already is.

 

[panpete]

There will be no work, its about controlling people's time. The new buzzword for next year is the "Workless job" hhahh

 

[panpete]

sorry, me again, I am not James Purnell honest, nor do I work for him.

Wageless workers.

 

[Awesome Wells]

i've been told they need to cut back on the budget and so putting everyone back on JSA (which of course is unworkable) works out 'cheaper'.

 

[_angel_]

i've been told they need to cut back on the budget.

Nooooooooo!

and so putting everyone back on JSA (which of course is unworkable) works out 'cheaper'

Thing is, when they've employed people to means test, bully, control etc I bet it works out more expensive in the end..

 

[Awesome Wells]

that's what my provider person told me. She's quite good i think, though i fear not cynical enough.

Unfortunately, thanks ot the machinations of the WFI process, my contact with her and her organisation will be curtailed in favour of less contact with an organisation that offers no more whom I don't have a relationship with.

I have this interview next week and I am extremely nervous and anxious about it to the point of feeling sick. Is that what they call helping someone?

 

[trevhagl]

that's what my provider person told me. She's quite good i think, though i fear not cynical enough.

Unfortunately, thanks ot the machinations of the WFI process, my contact with her and her organisation will be curtailed in favour of less contact with an organisation that offers no more whom I don't have a relationship with.

I have this interview next week and I am extremely nervous and anxious about it to the point of feeling sick. Is that what they call helping someone?

I think they mean 'helping' as in 'assisted suicide'

 

[panpete]

that's what my provider person told me. She's quite good i think, though i fear not cynical enough.

Unfortunately, thanks ot the machinations of the WFI process, my contact with her and her organisation will be curtailed in favour of less contact with an organisation that offers no more whom I don't have a relationship with.

I have this interview next week and I am extremely nervous and anxious about it to the point of feeling sick. Is that what they call helping someone?

Helping people towards breakdowns since 1864

 

[dynamicbaddog]

Thing is, when they've employed people to means test, bully, control etc I bet it works out more expensive in the end..

Most certainly - I was speaking to a civil servant who works for the DWP yesturday. I was asking him about when exsisting IB claimants are going to be migrated onto ESA - he told me he reckons it won't be until a couple of years time because they are already having problems finding the cash to retrain everyone etc....(they all hate Purnell where he works too)

 

[panpete]

That's good to hear.
I used to be a Civil servant (not with DWP) until I got sacked.
No one was fond of the government in our offices either.

I was wondering how IB claimants who attended medicals after 27th October this year have faired. Those who no one would employ, who arent frauds, just not fit for work. Espciallly non physical illness.
I know someone who had an interview in september and got three years signed off. Depression etc, clearly unemployable.
No offense meant as these people know they are not yet ready.

 

[Awesome Wells]

That's good to hear.
I used to be a Civil servant (not with DWP) until I got sacked.
No one was fond of the government in our offices either.

I was wondering how IB claimants who attended medicals after 27th October this year have faired. Those who no one would employ, who arent frauds, just not fit for work. Espciallly non physical illness.
I know someone who had an interview in september and got three years signed off. Depression etc, clearly unemployable.
No offense meant as these people know they are not yet ready.

that's the problem: the DWP are programmed to operate under the assumption no one is unfit for work.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Anyone know of any good forums/sites for these issues specifically (as opposed to pictures of cats )

 

[dynamicbaddog]

Anyone know of any good forums/sites for these issues specifically (as opposed to pictures of cats )

There is quite a good benefits sub-forum on moneysavingexpert.com

 

[Awesome Wells]

bloody hell that's one busy site design!

thanks for the link.

 

[panpete]

that's the problem: the DWP are programmed to operate under the assumption no one is unfit for work.

They didnt think I was upto it, in my last interview, I got sent out after 10mins, with the words "well its obvious that.....blah" that was before the goal posts were moved though.

 

[panpete]

Where are all these jobs anyway, if the recession bites, burger flipping jobs will be fought over.

 

[panpete]

There is quite a good benefits sub-forum on moneysavingexpert.com

www.youreable.com - theres a few forums on bebfit, appeals procedures, legislation etc.

 

[panpete]

direct link to forums as ^^^ is to main site. Another info-packed one.
I've been too paranoid to read it.
*Note, as someone with psych issues, I have probably blown the paranoia out of proportion, as have a few I guess, as anxiety and catastophizing are common symptoms. I find it helps me, if I remind myself, much of my own anxiety on this, is just my own and not to get too hung up on JP's every word, or whoever the little shits' replacement will be. (soon)

 

[ViolentPanda]

that's the problem: the DWP are programmed to operate under the assumption no one is unfit for work.

Except maybe their ministers, anyway.

 

[_angel_]

Where are all these jobs anyway, if the recession bites, burger flipping jobs will be fought over.

Like I said, they aint there. They know they aren't there and they just want to put claimants into workfare so Asda etc get paid for people to work for them and the 'worker' gets nowt. And at the end of it they'll still be under no obligation to provide a job if it's anything like past/ current schemes.

 

[panpete]

that's the problem: the DWP are programmed to operate under the assumption no one is unfit for work.

Well they didn't wanna pass my mate, as fit for work, which, no offence, (my mate) could see no one would employ him. He isnt a scrounger, and has not written himself off, but as yet, not employable.

The 'As yet' bit is what I was referring to when I posted about mentally ill people getting paranoid about being dragged to Asda against their will, before they are ready.

 

[panpete]

Like I said, they aint there. They know they aren't there and they just want to put claimants into workfare so Asda etc get paid for people to work for them and the 'worker' gets nowt. And at the end of it they'll still be under no obligation to provide a job if it's anything like past/ current schemes.

slavery, very progressive and 21st Century.

 

[panpete]

Those starry so-called pseudo-scientists are right, you know, we are moving backwards and forwards in time, at once.