james purnell hate thread

[panpete]

Yowch! I clicked on page one of this thread by accident and saw 'the face of slavery'.

It was a tossup between the Eternal Cat thread, or this - Eternal Purnell thread.
My illness stopped me doing voluntary work for cats right now, in future?, if I'm too busy in the gulags of asda, or wherever, c/o Mr Eternal Purnell and his dictatorial-disguised-as-caring-scheme of "Well-fair Work", then

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and double

 

[_angel_]

Well they didn't wanna pass my mate, as fit for work, which, no offence, (my mate) could see no one would employ him. He isnt a scrounger, and has not written himself off, but as yet, not employable.

The 'As yet' bit is what I was referring to when I posted about mentally ill people getting paranoid about being dragged to Asda against their will, before they are ready.

To be honest, being in Asda/ any supermarket would make me ill even if I hadn't been before (they make me a bit panicky to say the least)

No disrespect to people who work in supermarkets (have done it briefly) that's one job I couldn't do.

 

[trevhagl]

To be honest, being in Asda/ any supermarket would make me ill even if I hadn't been before (they make me a bit panicky to say the least)

No disrespect to people who work in supermarkets (have done it briefly) that's one job I couldn't do.

It's every bit as bad as you imagine.

One thing i don't know though is how much people who are forced to work there get paid? I know the government pays for Asda to have the staff but what do the forced workers get?

 

[Cressi]

Think I am going to contact Stalybridge and Hyde and ask them why they voted for an upper class twit with delusions of grandeur.......

then I am going to contact a Labour contact in my boro......which is odd because we havent had anyone for years and all of a sudden a Labour rep has surfaced

my main gripe will be ...yes I did have a wonderful part time job but the wretched working tax credits kept on ruining it and my MP advised me to give up as the system did not work and just caused more poverty.

2 theories from 2 men that do not work in the real world.

 

[Awesome Wells]

To be honest, being in Asda/ any supermarket would make me ill even if I hadn't been before (they make me a bit panicky to say the least)

No disrespect to people who work in supermarkets (have done it briefly) that's one job I couldn't do.

same here. i find such environments induce vertigo in me; i can't fuicntion in them at all.

 

[panpete]

I wouldnt go in such a big place anyway, let alone work in one.
Awesome, your'e not alone.
I'm not sure if these things are meant to make folks like us feel alone, but we are not.
If I was adsa boss, who had been donated emplyees which I didn't have to pay, and one was agoprophobic, and their symptoms were getting in the way, although I couldn't 'sack' them as such, I would still get rid of them.
This is because they would slow the works, as in any workplace where a sick person is. Time is money.

 

[panpete]

To be honest, being in Asda/ any supermarket would make me ill even if I hadn't been before (they make me a bit panicky to say the least)

No disrespect to people who work in supermarkets (have done it briefly) that's one job I couldn't do.

No dis-resect here to supermarket workers, I knew some who loved their job, but no offence to you and others like you, angel, I wouldn't want you on my shop floor, paid or not. No personal offence to you though.

 

[panpete]

It's every bit as bad as you imagine.

One thing i don't know though is how much people who are forced to work there get paid? I know the government pays for Asda to have the staff but what do the forced workers get?

When I said that bold phrase to my GP she looked at me like I had some super mad delusions of persecution or something.

 

[Awesome Wells]

No dis-resect here to supermarket workers, I knew some who loved their job, but no offence to you and others like you, angel, I wouldn't want you on my shop floor, paid or not. No personal offence to you though.

problem is that translates to blame from the DWP; blame for you not getting the job in the supermarket and therefore either sabotaging the interview or whatever. It's never considered that you might not be suitable for the job. But of course employers aren't beholden to the state in the same way as the poor jobschmucks.

 

[_angel_]

problem is that translates to blame from the DWP; blame for you not getting the job in the supermarket and therefore either sabotaging the interview or whatever. It's never considered that you might not be suitable for the job. But of course employers aren't beholden to the state in the same way as the poor jobschmucks.

Well if they do use supermarkets for work for benefits (I know they do *voluntarily* any way) surely the more free workers they get, the less staff they'll be employing and it will perpetuate unemployment..

 

[trevhagl]

saw someone today who'd had his incapacity stopped despite being alcoholic, epileptic and homeless. He had no money to live on and the phone number for crisi loans is pointless cos no one answers. The job centre helpfully told him to use a phone box and stand in the freezing cold for hours!!

Is there no depths this govt will sink to?

 

[panpete]

problem is that translates to blame from the DWP; blame for you not getting the job in the supermarket and therefore either sabotaging the interview or whatever. It's never considered that you might not be suitable for the job. But of course employers aren't beholden to the state in the same way as the poor jobschmucks.

Without sounding hard hearted, some just plain aren't suitable for the job.
And no matter how draconian these things are, at the end of the day, in the business world, time is money, and if mr Asda, has to say "Dear dole office, thanks for billy the free employee, and not blaming the dude, who means well, but his health isnt up to the job, as his panic attacks/or symptoms are getting in the way of my business, in various ways."
Whoever loses out, time is money, and always will be in the world of buisiness, so the vicimisation of the so-called benefit scroungers, will not only affect the claimants themselves if forced to work, it will adversely affect co-workers, bosses and businesses.
Ultimately the economy.
I stress again though, no blame or dis-respect to you, angel, or anyone else, who I think Mr Asda/tesco/sainsbury wouldn't be able to take on, paid or not.

 

[trevhagl]

Without sounding hard hearted, some just plain aren't suitable for the job.
And no matter how draconian these things are, at the end of the day, in the business world, time is money, and if mr Asda, has to say "Dear dole office, thanks for billy, who means well, but his health isnt up to the job, as his panic attacks/or symptoms are getting in the way of my business."
Whoever loses out, time is money, and always will be in the world of buisiness, so the vicimisation of the so-called benefit scroungers, will not only affect the claimants themselves if forced to work, it will adverself affect co-workers, bosses and businesses.
I stress again though, no blame or dis-respect to you, angel, or anyone else, who I think Mr Asda/tesco/sainsbury wouldn't be able to take on, paid or not.

Trouble is Asda will look at it for example, if Billy only turns up for half his shifts and does half the work of someone else, that's a quarter for nothing.
We all had to wear hi vis jackets in the yard after a half deaf worker got killed by a skip wagon in another store.

 

[_angel_]

Trouble is Asda will look at it for example, if Billy only turns up for half his shifts and does half the work of someone else, that's a quarter for nothing.
We all had to wear hi vis jackets in the yard after a half deaf worker got killed by a skip wagon in another store.

 

[treelover]

I think Purnell will come to be seen as one of the most dangerous politicians of the last 30 years, ex Bomber Blair, and yes that includes the Tories!

 

[dynamicbaddog]

saw someone today who'd had his incapacity stopped despite being alcoholic, epileptic and homeless.

tell him he should appeal, the rules of the 'all work test' are that he needs 15 points on physical health or 10 points on mental health (or a combination of both) to continue to recieve the benefit (and by the sounds of it, he'd probally be entitled to DLA as well)



It does annoy me that so many people are not receiving what they are entitled to - there's a man in his late forties who lives in the same block as me, he is a chronic alcoholic (to the extent that a neighbour has to look after his money for him so that he does'nt spend it on drink all in the one go - he has been seen in the past rummaging through the dustbins outside for food) As well as the drinking, he also has mental health issues, and physcial health problems - some days his feet and ankles swell up and he can't walk. Also he needs checking on regularly because he does stupid stuff like passing out and leaving his front door wide open etc He's never claimed any of the sickness benefits - he's always been on JSA, and now they have put him on a 3 month course, which he has been unable to attend for obvious reasons. Everyone here has told him he should try and get off the JSA and claim incapacity/dla etc but he's too far gone to understand. The thing is the people at the benefit office where he signs on should clock how ill he is and put him on the other benefits automatically - but they have'nt, and now he'll probally lose the meagre amount of money he gets on JSA because he has'nt attended this course

 

[_angel_]

tell him he should appeal, the rules of the 'all work test' are that he needs 15 points on physical health or 10 points on mental health (or a combination of both) to continue to recieve the benefit (and by the sounds of it, he'd probally be entitled to DLA as well)



It does annoy me that so many people are not receiving what they are entitled to - there's a man in his late forties who lives in the same block as me, he is a chronic alcoholic (to the extent that a neighbour has to look after his money for him so that he does'nt spend it on drink all in the one go - he has been seen in the past rummaging through the dustbins outside for food) As well as the drinking, he also has mental health issues, and physcial health problems - some days his feet and ankles swell up and he can't walk. Also he needs checking on regularly because he does stupid stuff like passing out and leaving his front door wide open etc He's never claimed any of the sickness benefits - he's always been on JSA, and now they have put him on a 3 month course, which he has been unable to attend for obvious reasons. Everyone here has told him he should try and get off the JSA and claim incapacity/dla etc but he's too far gone to understand. The thing is the people at the benefit office where he signs on should clock how ill he is and put him on the other benefits automatically - but they have'nt, and now he'll probally lose the meagre amount of money he gets on JSA because he has'nt attended this course

Unfortunately a lot of people would just sneer and say it's his own fault. Actually, alcoholics were one group that the BBC decided to pick to do a hatchet job on when they announced the reforms...

...there seems to be even less support for alcohol dependency than there is for drug addicts, which is fucked up if you consider the fact alcohol is actually legal...
..if they funded alcohol treatments in the same way they did the giving up smoking campiagns I'm sure it would be different..

 

[trevhagl]

tell him he should appeal, the rules of the 'all work test' are that he needs 15 points on physical health or 10 points on mental health (or a combination of both) to continue to recieve the benefit (and by the sounds of it, he'd probally be entitled to DLA as well)



It does annoy me that so many people are not receiving what they are entitled to - there's a man in his late forties who lives in the same block as me, he is a chronic alcoholic (to the extent that a neighbour has to look after his money for him so that he does'nt spend it on drink all in the one go - he has been seen in the past rummaging through the dustbins outside for food) As well as the drinking, he also has mental health issues, and physcial health problems - some days his feet and ankles swell up and he can't walk. Also he needs checking on regularly because he does stupid stuff like passing out and leaving his front door wide open etc He's never claimed any of the sickness benefits - he's always been on JSA, and now they have put him on a 3 month course, which he has been unable to attend for obvious reasons. Everyone here has told him he should try and get off the JSA and claim incapacity/dla etc but he's too far gone to understand. The thing is the people at the benefit office where he signs on should clock how ill he is and put him on the other benefits automatically - but they have'nt, and now he'll probally lose the meagre amount of money he gets on JSA because he has'nt attended this course

Oh aye he's appealing and the tribunal will laugh at the fuckers for doing this

 

[panpete]

Trouble is Asda will look at it for example, if Billy only turns up for half his shifts and does half the work of someone else, that's a quarter for nothing.
We all had to wear hi vis jackets in the yard after a half deaf worker got killed by a skip wagon in another store.

considers boycotting asda - not that I ever go there, but I don't know if I want to shop online from such an outfit.

 

[panpete]

I think Purnell will come to be seen as one of the most dangerous politicians of the last 30 years, ex Bomber Blair, and yes that includes the Tories!

If this psycho gets his way, this could have far reaching consquences. Crime rate. UK economy. Bad publicity, and more scandals.

 

[panpete]

saw someone today who'd had his incapacity stopped despite being alcoholic, epileptic and homeless. He had no money to live on and the phone number for crisi loans is pointless cos no one answers. The job centre helpfully told him to use a phone box and stand in the freezing cold for hours!!

Is there no depths this govt will sink to?

When was his interview.
I know people interviewed earlier this year, with three years off sick, some perma.
That was pre-goal post widening though.
Maybe this dude should contact the press or his MP, as it aint him who is looking the fool in my view.

 

[panpete]

tell him he should appeal, the rules of the 'all work test' are that he needs 15 points on physical health or 10 points on mental health (or a combination of both) to continue to recieve the benefit (and by the sounds of it, he'd probally be entitled to DLA as well)

I don't mean to sound a paranoid old fool, but was that pre-goal post change?

 

[dynamicbaddog]

I don't mean to sound a paranoid old fool, but was that pre-goal post change?

I'm not sure but I've been told that the points system for IB has'nt changed.

 

[panpete]

Ah, fair play. Best of luck to him though, hope he gets support he needs and deserves.

 

[panpete]

To James Purnell,
Ev'ry one's well,
From slaves in the galley,
To dancers in the bally.

Theres no such thing
As being unfit
The ill, the dead
"Go! work for it!".

 

[panpete]

Thats cool

 

[Cressi]

Just helping a woman who failed to turn up for a long distance medical with a strange non NHS so called doctor. The reason she failed to show was her 43 yr old sister had just died. She registered the death......so she has to pay for the funeral and make the arrangements.....but the DWP stopped her money...so she is penniless, homeless and with a body to bury.........what a friggin mess.

Just got her referred to the local CMHT before she jumped off a bridge. They will now pick up the paperwork and hopefully bury her now long dead sister.

Well there is only one thing to do .....try + meet this creep PURSWELL....face to face.....see if he has any human feelings.

 

[_angel_]

The cabinet are in Leeds today, so I assume that means him as well.... wonder where, though.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Just helping a woman who failed to turn up for a long distance medical with a strange non NHS so called doctor. The reason she failed to show was her 43 yr old sister had just died. She registered the death......so she has to pay for the funeral and make the arrangements.....but the DWP stopped her money...so she is penniless, homeless and with a body to bury.........what a friggin mess.

Just got her referred to the local CMHT before she jumped off a bridge. They will now pick up the paperwork and hopefully bury her now long dead sister.

Well there is only one thing to do .....try + meet this creep PURSWELL....face to face.....see if he has any human feelings.

my god, these people just don't care do they.

 

[panpete]