james purnell hate thread

[Fedayn]

Just helping a woman who failed to turn up for a long distance medical with a strange non NHS so called doctor. The reason she failed to show was her 43 yr old sister had just died. She registered the death......so she has to pay for the funeral and make the arrangements.....but the DWP stopped her money...so she is penniless, homeless and with a body to bury.........what a friggin mess.

Just got her referred to the local CMHT before she jumped off a bridge. They will now pick up the paperwork and hopefully bury her now long dead sister.

Well there is only one thing to do .....try + meet this creep PURSWELL....face to face.....see if he has any human feelings.

Get her to put in a 'Good cause' letter as to her reasons for non attendance asap! Failing a medical has recourse to appeal, failing to turn up has no recourse save good cause for not turning up. The good cause would goto the Specialist Decision Maker, get her to fill it in asap.

 

[_angel_]

Get her to put in a 'Good cause' letter as to her reasons for non attendance asap! Failing a medical has recourse to appeal, failing to turn up has no recourse save good cause for not turning up. The good cause would goto the Specialist Decision Maker, get her to fill it in asap.

Fed, I'm not even sure from Cressi's post if she's still alive.

 

[Cressi]

She is alive, safe + warm. She is safer under the mental health umbrella. Got a key worker to now sort out the paperwork and her benefits. She will get treatment, support and eventually DLA. Contacted a Workhouse Fund to help towards funeral costs. She is about 7 stone. Some people just freeze...terrified and do not know what to do. The DWP drives them to despair.

The problem is some cannot mentally or physically or financially get to the medicals.

 

[dynamicbaddog]

Just found this intresting website - a report comissioned by the DWP themselves found that

There is little evidence that workfare increases the likelihood of finding work. It can even reduce employment chances by limiting the time available for job search and by failing to provide the skills and experience valued by employers.

http://comlinks.beepweb.co.uk/linksuk/?p=100

 

[_angel_]

Just found this intresting website - a report comissioned by the DWP themselves found that

There is little evidence that workfare increases the likelihood of finding work. It can even reduce employment chances by limiting the time available for job search and by failing to provide the skills and experience valued by employers.

http://comlinks.beepweb.co.uk/linksuk/?p=100

I really don't think the aim is to try and get people these jobs, it's to punish them, pure and simple, either for being sick, out of work a long time (bringing up kids/ caring) or being in an unemployment blackspot.

Enforced timewasting is not a way to get people trained and in jobs.

 

[zed]

You "Urbanites" love a good lynching don't you?

Mad for it.

 

[treelover]

Are you drunk, mad, a misanthrope?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Are you drunk, mad, a misanthrope?

Far more prosaic than that: He's a supercilious, condescending troll.

You have to bear in mind that zed is so much better than anyone else who posts on Urban 75, you see.

 

[zed]

Far more prosaic than that: He's a supercilious, condescending troll.

You have to bear in mind that zed is so much better than anyone else who posts on Urban 75, you see.

You post like a girl.

Why is that?

 

[Blagsta]

zed's dead, baby

 

[ViolentPanda]

You post like a girl.

Why is that?

Can you quantify what to "post like a girl" is?
I doubt it, if such a reply is the apex of your ability.

Still, I suspect that "posting like a girl" seemed like an apposite accusation to you. It often does to immature males.

 

[panpete]

Enforced timewasting is not a way to get people trained and in jobs.

I like that phrase.
I think that time, is a major levering arm for controlling people.

 

[Cressi]

people like James twit about on their blackberries....have P.A's to do everything....are trained in the art of debating.....skilled at wriggling out of responsibility..

the trouble is they have no idea what it is actually like being penniless.

They think everyone has a photocopier in the kitchen, internet access and oyster cards.

Thankgoodness for CAB......

 

[ViolentPanda]

people like James twit about on their blackberries....have P.A's to do everything....are trained in the art of debating.....skilled at wriggling out of responsibility..

the trouble is they have no idea what it is actually like being penniless.

They think everyone has a photocopier in the kitchen, internet access and oyster cards.

James "excessive expenses" Purnell doesn't have much of an idea of what living in the "real world" is like full-bloody-stop.

Thankgoodness for CAB......

And the few Law Centres that are left.

 

[_angel_]

James "excessive expenses" Purnell doesn't have much of an idea of what living in the "real world" is like full-bloody-stop.

And the few Law Centres that are left.

Oh didn't he have the highest expenses of any MP?? Or something?

 

[Cressi]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...lan-to-force-claiments-into-work-1047084.html

 

[_angel_]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...lan-to-force-claiments-into-work-1047084.html

Ministers say that a single mother with a child between the ages of one and seven would not be forced to apply for a job but might have to take steps such as finding out about childcare. "Our goal is a system more like the Scandinavian one with more universal childcare but also higher obligations to work," said a government source.

We don't have anything like universal childcare in this country!

 

[Awesome Wells]

Just had my work focused interview as an income support claimant with mental health issues. The worst 30 minutes of my life for a long time. They were tryig to catch me out the whole way through with questions that showed s tunning lack of understanding of how mental health (and probably any kind of issue) affects people. They want to distill your problems into a simple soundbite and address them in a demeaning, snide and totally black and white fashion. Their logic seems to be that if tyou can turn up for the interview then you can do a job (ie an interview i had no choice in attending). Meanwhile i'm sat barely able to speak, feeling extremely anxious, shaky and sick. They don't care.

All the usual bullshit came out: you've been out of work for a while, you've got to do something, can't stay on benefits all your life, blah blah blah. She wanted me to somehow articulate what i 'can' do, which i wasn uncomfortable with. How can you answer that question meaningfully without completely negating your problems? It's as if the word can is some kind of panacea and cureall. I felt under suspicion, i felt the interview was ignorant and intrusive - i had to prompt them to look up the stuff written on the notes provided by my gp. They wanted me to articulate why the issues affected my ability to work - in a compeltely public environment i was already uncomfortable with. It felt as if i was being given rope with which to hang myself.

In short the tenor of the interview was unsympathetic and wasn't intended to address or deal with the issues i have and my health problems at all. It was more like if i could breathe then i could do a full day's work regardless. Of course the minute you concede this you lose your income so even if you want to play along with their game you lose. They wanted me to agree that i could do care work (having cared for a disabled relative before). I tried to explain that not only was i not up to the emotional responsibility, but that as someone nto really interested in care work it would be wholly unsuitable - you can't just do carework for the money that's appalling. The interviewer took entirely the opposite view and saw only an opportunity to 'pay your way'; stuff the poor sods you are responsible for looking after eh!


This whole approach is short sighted and stupid. I feel sick. This state is a joke.

 

[Zachor]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...lan-to-force-claiments-into-work-1047084.html

Although I have my doubts about anything that emanates from the New Labour sleaze pit. I do have to ask what is wrong with making people in reciept of benefits from the collective pot do some meaningful and useful work for it?

I would hope that this new system would be flexible enough to cope sympathetically with peoples different circumstances (carers, those with children etc) but robust enough to deal with pisstakers.

I'm not saying we should return to the days of the workhouse but I do think that the link between getting paid for doing something should be more restored in the system of benefits for the non disabled rather than continuing with the idea of doing bugger all but still being paid.

We are not rewarding virtue enough in our society. An example of which is the parents of Baby P appeared to have been given by the state a massive house the like of which should have been given to a family who cared for their children not murdered them.

 

[Zachor]

We don't have anything like universal childcare in this country!

We need it though. Many social and familial problems could be alleviated by universal childcare provision.

More affordable childcare = more people in work = more taxation to be spent for the benefit of all.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Although I have my doubts about anything that emanates from the New Labour sleaze pit. I do have to ask what is wrong with making people in reciept of benefits from the collective pot do some meaningful and useful work for it?

I would hope that this new system would be flexible enough to cope sympathetically with peoples different circumstances (carers, those with children etc) but robust enough to deal with pisstakers.

I'm not saying we should return to the days of the workhouse but I do think that the link between getting paid for doing something should be more restored in the system of benefits for the non disabled rather than continuing with the idea of doing bugger all but still being paid.

We are not rewarding virtue enough in our society. An example of which is the parents of Baby P appeared to have been given by the state a massive house the like of which should have been given to a family who cared for their children not murdered them.

oh my fucking god.

are you really conflating all those things.

we have already returned to the workhouse.

 

[Zachor]

Enforced timewasting is not a way to get people trained and in jobs.

I agree. If the person is in an unemployment blackspot why isn't money being spent to give people work for the state or the community.

Much cheaper than letting people fester and for people to descend into idleness and crime.

 

[Awesome Wells]

what is this idea that a person has no merit to his community or, more importantly, to himself, as a person, just because they don't have a job? Why shoudl people even be responsible for repairing their community just because they are unemployed? What about the people who are already employed by councils to do municipal work?

 

[_angel_]

oh my fucking god.

are you really conflating all those things.

we have already returned to the workhouse.

Yep I'm afraid the kind of person who saw you today is the type of person who really does not understand mental problems and anxiety. I think you have to have been there, but then a bit of compassion doesn't exist in some folks.

Fuck the 'if you can get to the interview you can do a fulltime job anywhere WE decide'. They need to get past sneering.

I'd complain if you are unhappy with their attitude tbh.

 

[_angel_]

what is this idea that a person has no merit to his community or, more importantly, to himself, as a person, just because they don't have a job? Why shoudl people even be responsible for repairing their community just because they are unemployed? What about the people who are already employed by councils to do municipal work?

They'll prob be made redundant and a load of freebie doleys will do their jobs....

 

[panpete]

Awesome,
Do you have a key worker or care co-ordinator on the psych side of things? Could you take them along to any more interviews you have?
I wouldn't have even been able to turn up as I am agorophobic, and even if I did, I probably would have bolted at the first signs of oppression.
These are symptoms of the condition I have, which my doctor, and psych staff, know well about, as they were around when I had my breakdowns (caused by my ignoring my psych issues, to blag my way through a work day)

 

[Zachor]

oh my fucking god.

are you really conflating all those things.

Up to a point. When I saw the house that the Council had put the murderous fuckers in I thought 'but there are loads of more deserving families who need that house' I also thought of the people whose families break up becuase of housing problems who get bugger all because the councils etc are prioritising those who are underserving.

we have already returned to the workhouse.

Not yet not by a long way.

 

[_angel_]

We need it though. Many social and familial problems could be alleviated by universal childcare provision.

More affordable childcare = more people in work = more taxation to be spent for the benefit of all.

Whereas I think we need more childcare I think we also need to stop with this automated march into "work work work" is the only good thing..
.. what is wrong with looking after your own child..

..I wouldn't want to hand a young baby or child into a nursery fulltime.

Also, parents with a lot of children may well be better off looking after them for a modest amount of money from the state. Everyone knows it's cheaper than childcare costs for more than a couple of kids.

 

[_angel_]

Up to a point. When I saw the house that the Council had put the murderous fuckers in I thought 'but there are loads of more deserving families who need that house' I also thought of the people whose families break up becuase of housing problems who get bugger all because the councils etc are prioritising those who are underserving.




.

 

[panpete]

Yep I'm afraid the kind of person who saw you today is the type of person who really does not understand mental problems and anxiety. I think you have to have been there, but then a bit of compassion doesn't exist in some folks.

Fuck the 'if you can get to the interview you can do a fulltime job anywhere WE decide'. They need to get past sneering.

I'd complain if you are unhappy with their attitude tbh.

Someone I know had a medical in september, due to mental illness (I wouldnt employ them, put it that way) The interviewer told them to come back in three years as they are clearly unfit.
Awesome I hope you can get support if you are under any treatment.

I am under long term therapy, and had a spell as an inpatient last year, and my care co-ordinator seems clearly upset how my health has deteriorated. She's not mad at me, although she did feel I went on about this subject, she is just upset, as she can see it is clearly affecting my health adversely.