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Tories want to go further, under the new Shadow DWP secretary Teresa May, and Fieild is pushing for full on welfare.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/27/welfare-reform-bill-unemployment


Field calls for workfare system to force the young to earn benefit
• Ex-minister wants money stopped if job rejected
• 'Toothless sanctions' in welfare bill derided

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jan/27/james-purnell-welfare-bill-workfare


Yep, they always try and screw the under twenty fives. So in the middle of a recession they are talking about removing benefits for under 25's who don't get a job after two years. BINGO!!!

That Theresa May article is just a load of fluffy bollocks... unemployment is bad, but we must crack down on the 'workless'

What?? How??
 
It's completely typical they should treat young people like that. It doesn't cross these idiots minds that you can be under 25, lose your job and then find, whilst other people get benefits to look for a job, you're forced into slavery AND can be cut off if you don't find a job.

Politicians seem to hate youth in this country.
 
I don't think anyone would argue we've quite got to Soviet Bloc levels of unpleasantness quite yet, but any steps in that direction have to be a bad thing in their own right surely?

I think the government are a little snookered with the rising cost of benefits, massive job losses and other factors compounding the problem.

I think they're not in any position to tackle these problems at all. Hence all the bullshit in the media.

The last few media campaigns have been aggressive and frightening but I'm not sure their bark matches their teeth.
 
I think the government are a little snookered with the rising cost of benefits, massive job losses and other factors compounding the problem.

I think they're not in any position to tackle these problems at all. Hence all the bullshit in the media.

The last few media campaigns have been aggressive and frightening but I'm not sure their bark matches their teeth.

They're not in a position to save the banks either but they're moving mountains (of taxpayers' money) to pretend that they can. It's the attitude shown as much as the policies themselves that boils my blood tbh, the scapegoating, victimisation, guilt-tripping and hatemongering inflicted on anyone who isn't a 'hardworking family' (subtext: hardworking family with total job security and a combined income over 40,000 a year) by the rhetoric from Purnell and friends is utterly intolerable. Worst of all is the obvious willingness to vicariously sacrifice people's rights, principles and livelihoods to the whims of the labour market. It's not even just adults who will suffer, if Purnell gets his way there'll be countless children unlucky enough to have a single parent who will be robbed of an upbringing because it's more important for people to do pointless minimum wage jobs than look after their children.

I was wrong when I said 'worst of all' above, the very worst thing is that what should be nothing more than a bit of mean-spirited kite flying is actually accepted by the majority of people. This country seems to genuinely believe that the only reason for unemployment is laziness; discounting disability, lack of education, lack of available jobs or the desire to be around to raise one's kids as pitiful excuses. Purnell wouldn't even dare to go out in public if the British public hadn't already been robbed of their sense of solidarity, fairness and kindness.
 
They're not in a position to save the banks either but they're moving mountains (of taxpayers' money) to pretend that they can. It's the attitude shown as much as the policies themselves that boils my blood tbh, the scapegoating, victimisation, guilt-tripping and hatemongering inflicted on anyone who isn't a 'hardworking family' (subtext: hardworking family with total job security and a combined income over 40,000 a year) by the rhetoric from Purnell and friends is utterly intolerable. Worst of all is the obvious willingness to vicariously sacrifice people's rights, principles and livelihoods to the whims of the labour market. It's not even just adults who will suffer, if Purnell gets his way there'll be countless children unlucky enough to have a single parent who will be robbed of an upbringing because it's more important for people to do pointless minimum wage jobs than look after their children.

I was wrong when I said 'worst of all' above, the very worst thing is that what should be nothing more than a bit of mean-spirited kite flying is actually accepted by the majority of people. This country seems to genuinely believe that the only reason for unemployment is laziness; discounting disability, lack of education, lack of available jobs or the desire to be around to raise one's kids as pitiful excuses. Purnell wouldn't even dare to go out in public if the British public hadn't already been robbed of their sense of solidarity, fairness and kindness.

The fact anyone has the fucking nerve to talk like this as the economy flies down the shitter amazes me.
 
The fact anyone has the fucking nerve to talk like this as the economy flies down the shitter amazes me.

Even before all this there were far more people in need of work than jobs available for them to do, even discounting the fact that people should have the right to choose what they do for a living rather than being made to take anything that's available.

Of course in the light of the massive job losses in the last few months, people should be worried that they'll soon be amongst those being hung out to dry by these reforms, but still Purnell's logic goes largely unchallenged.
 
The second reading of this odious Welfare Cuts Bill is currently being 'debated' in the House of Commons. Poorhouse Purnell referred to incapacity benefit claimants over the age of 50 as "stock" earlier :mad:
 
The second reading of this odious Welfare Cuts Bill is currently being 'debated' in the House of Commons. Poorhouse Purnell referred to incapacity benefit claimants over the age of 50 as "stock" earlier :mad:

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Have written + discussed this man with my MP....questioned his qualifications....asked if any disabled people are represented......

my main worry tho is the DLA has bought a new server......am following the papertrails....+ the data.

Who is advising the installation of new systems? who is doing the computer programming?.........so many questions.
 
The second reading of this odious Welfare Cuts Bill is currently being 'debated' in the House of Commons. Poorhouse Purnell referred to incapacity benefit claimants over the age of 50 as "stock" earlier :mad:
He seemed much more nervous than usual. It wasn't a very impressive performance imo. He contradicted himself a few times. For eg, he went into a bit of a rant about "work for your benefits" being aimed at stopping "people playing the system, people working and claiming" and being all strong arm and punitive.

He was then asked by a backbencher whether the proposals would be workfare style (which dwp research finds as being ineffective, costly and not worth the effort basically) and he switches modes and responds by saying they aren't going to introduce "workfare" as that stigmatises and punishes, but "work for your benefit" will demand community work for benefits and compulsory training i.e workfare.

bloke is a joke - unfortunately, it seems he's got good influence and a great deal of political sway atm, tories and ld's voting in support already.
 
Is there anything this 'welfare consensus' won't baulk at, and wtf is the opposition to it all: the left, civil society, the churches, etc, what a farce...
 
Is there anything this 'welfare consensus' won't baulk at, and wtf is the opposition to it all: the left, civil society, the churches, etc, what a farce...

sadly this is the way the worlds going the shit is hitting the fan and tbh the so called humanists liberals left wingers and politcal radicals of middle britain have shown there true colours imo they will go and occupy a bbc office over the bbcs stance on gaza yet when some of the most vulnerbale people in britain are about to get truly fucked where are they? NO WHERE:mad:
 
Opposing Israel is cool, opposing welfare reform isn't. That's the bottom line.

Do you want to be down with the kids and a 'real' progressive, or a 'yoghurt knitter'?

Far easier to care about black kids in Africa than some pasty faced bad lad who's behaviour is the result of his own poor childhood. A hard days work will cure his ills eh James!

This society makes me sick.
 
'Dotcom said
no one, repeat no one, is capable of doing both at the same time. That would be madness.'


Facetious reply, Dotcom,

That would be a fair comment if people were, but generally they are not, 'doing both' The silence from the Left, unions, churches, civil society, do gooders, etc has been deafening. In Germany, when this happened, there were mass protests every week for a year, a marker was set down and the reforms there are continually challenged and contested. Here they will go largely unopposed, obviously allowing further interventions. in fact, one wonders if there is a bottom line for the 'reformers',


It is a disgrace, this lack of action, and one people will become more aware of as as the reforms bite


Millions have been let down, J'accuse
 
Is there anything this 'welfare consensus' won't baulk at, and wtf is the opposition to it all: the left, civil society, the churches, etc, what a farce...
The opposition is there, but as usual it isn't coherent, for various (rather pathetic) political and ideological reasons.
 
Opposing Israel is cool, opposing welfare reform isn't. That's the bottom line.
I do both
Do you want to be down with the kids and a 'real' progressive, or a 'yoghurt knitter'?
I don't wish to be either.
Far easier to care about black kids in Africa than some pasty faced bad lad who's behaviour is the result of his own poor childhood. A hard days work will cure his ills eh James!
How would Purnell know? He hasn't done a hard day's work in his entire miserable life!!
This society makes me sick.
Oh I see, now you're blaming society for the fact that you claim disability-type benefits, eh? :mad:


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What choice is there? It's either right wing or right wing; vote labour or vote tory. Libdem won't get a look in and no one takes them seriously. I cant' remember when I heard Nick Clegg last speak, and even then he just strikes me as almost antagonistic and rather arrogant. He hasn't got a cat in hell's chance. Meanwhile the masses are appeased by the great gods of Simon Cowell and Deal or No Deal with it's cult of numbers and 'positivity'. It's like a gameshow version of new age cultism. The only training on offer is the most basic sort (ie basic literacy/numeracy - great for some no doubt, but those few have even less of a chance) under the guise of an 'employability' qualification. It's just desperate. What future is there working in fucking Asda!
 
Asda !?!

They should bring back conscription to mop up all these unemployed plebs and mandatory sterilization to stop the underclass having kids at the expense of the taxpayer.
 
Fairness..?

My doc tells me ..'life is not fair?'. My MP is pretty good though.She is always standing up defending the poor + vulnerable. Have asked her why all the DWP offices are up north......so far away so that we cannot protest. Maybe a bit 'Localism'...is needed?

James Purnell is a bully ...attacking those least able to defend themselves.........and that is why he is carrying out HIS plans.....because he knows he can.

I have requested that actual disabled people should be advising not just some upper class, affluent........men. Have requested that I am willing to sit before any committees discussing DWP + poverty.
 
Asda !?!

They should bring back conscription to mop up all these unemployed plebs and mandatory sterilization to stop the underclass having kids at the expense of the taxpayer


are you for real?
 
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