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Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.

He added that all but one of the bullets retrieved from the bodies came from 9mm rounds. Of the other round, he said: "It was the first time we have seen this kind of material used in firearms. It was just a container including many types of pellets usually used in shotguns. It penetrated the head region in the temple and we found it intact in the brain."
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So, that's another war crime.

Anyone else want to sign up to giving MAP money? Johnny?
 
Spymaster said:
I'm getting mixed messages here.
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Links to a search: top is a Jerusalem Post leader article concluding:

The real solution to the blockade, however, is in the hands of Gaza’s people. Israel has made it clear that the siege would be lifted as soon as the political leadership in Gaza agreed to recognize the existence of the Jewish state, abandoned violence, released Schalit and adhered to past agreements achieved between Israel and the PA. Israel’s struggle is not with the people of Gaza but with the radical regime there that is actively working to destroy the Jewish state.

Those truly interested in bringing peace and alleviating the plight of Gazans would best achieve their goal not by placing pressure on Israel to stop defending itself, but by convincing the residents of Gaza that Hamas’s way is a dead end.
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So: elect a government we approve of and you can have food and houses. Not until then.
 
Johnny Canuck3 said:
That's been apparent from page 1. :)

The world's full of people who don't like hearing dissenting opinions.
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I trust you know that picture was aimed at what you have done throughout this entire thread and not me ignoring you. There was a reason I chose a little girl with her fingers in her ears.

I'm not against hearing 'dissenting' opinions, not that I know what you mean by dissenting opinions in your case. What I am against is some gobshite asking the same question over and over and over again across a couple of different threads, being given an answer over and over and over again, but then choosing to willfully ignore the answer because it doesn't fit with his wank fantasies about military action against Israel.
 
laptop said:
Links to a search: top is a Jerusalem Post leader article concluding:



So: elect a government we approve of and you can have food and houses. Not until then.
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Hello laptop, I'm Kris, Spy's wife.

I understand from Simon that you're a lawyer, so I can't understand why you're against (at least on this. You can get him on LOADS of other stuff) him. The principle of

But I've only clicked back about ten pages. Has he been awful again?

Blagsta: I've been told to say 'facepalm'.

Hello to the lovely Dot Communist and Blue Streak.
 
Spymaster said:
Hello laptop, I'm Kris, Spy's wife.

I understand from Simon that you're a lawyer, so I can't understand why you're against (at least on this. You can get him on LOADS of other stuff) him.

But I've only clicked back about ten pages. Has he been awful again?

Blagsta: I've been told to say 'facepalm'.

Hello to the lovely Dot Communist and Blue Streak.
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:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
sorry tl, i do boycott israel and always make an effort to not buy israeli prorducts when im at home, I dont boycott many things and am pretty unethical as a consumer haha, but thats something i tend not to do
 
Hey kris, anytime you want some company just PM me and we will work it out. Your man has not been horrible so much as bewilderingly odd WRT how self defense works.
 
To Dot Communist.

Hello darling.

He's going fishing in the morning and he's not back until Monday! (wink smile) How do you get those little faces on the screen?

Has he made this about capital punishment?
 
Spymaster said:
Hello laptop, I'm Kris, Spy's wife.

I understand from Simon that you're a lawyer, so I can't understand why you're against (at least on this. You can get him on LOADS of other stuff) him. The principle of

But I've only clicked back about ten pages. Has he been awful again?

Blagsta: I've been told to say 'facepalm'.

Hello to the lovely Dot Communist and Blue Streak.
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[psst....don't tell him we talked, but you're way too good for this guy.....:D Actually, your husband is an intelligent and rational person, and it's a pleasure having him post on this bulletin board]
 
Johnny Canuck3 said:
[psst....don't tell him we talked, but you're way too good for this guy.....:D Actually, your husband is an intelligent and rational person, and it's a pleasure having him post on this bulletin board]
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ass kisser.

so how do you feel about the boarding of the MV rachel corrie by the israeli navy jc3? http://www.jpost.com/Home/Article.aspx?id=177525

fine and dandy just another day at the office for the IDF eh? or totally wrong?
 
Doctor Carrot said:
I trust you know that picture was aimed at what you have done throughout this entire thread and not me ignoring you. There was a reason I chose a little girl with her fingers in her ears.

I'm not against hearing 'dissenting' opinions, not that I know what you mean by dissenting opinions in your case. What I am against is some gobshite asking the same question over and over and over again across a couple of different threads, being given an answer over and over and over again, but then choosing to willfully ignore the answer because it doesn't fit with his wank fantasies about military action against Israel.
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What was the answer? Was it 'boycott israel, then get them to the bargaining table'?
 
Johnny Canuck3 said:
What was the answer? Was it 'boycott israel, then get them to the bargaining table'?
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yawn.png
 
For the record no, I'm not in favor of military action against Israel, given that I fully support Israel's right to exist and to take steps to defend itself.

It's interesting discussing current events, but often the discussions here take a decidedly nasty and personal flavor.
 
Johnny Canuck3 said:
For the record no, I'm not in favor of military action against Israel, given that I fully support Israel's right to exist and to take steps to defend itself.

It's interesting discussing current events, but often the discussions here take a decidedly nasty and personal flavor.
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What do you mean by "Israel's right to exist"?
 
Frankie Jack said:
this is nearly a callout.. and a hacking of a members log in being used to get at that member.. NOT FUNNY..
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I'm wondering what that means, the hacking bit, but I'm almost afraid to ask.

The bottom line is that for all the discussing that can take place, there will be no convincing, no changing of minds.

In the meantime, I'm posting on a board where some very sketchy and extreme view are being presented. I can't see any benefit in being associated in any way with those ideas. I think it's time for a break.
 
His missus should get her own account here and not use his log in and computer to undermine him.. Those that endorse that shit are bollocks as far as I'm concerned.. as is she that did this.. Get yer own log in Chris.. :facepalm:
 
ymu said:
well Johnny seems to be running away from answering it, so sure, knock yourself out. What do you mean by "Israel's right to exist"?
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The thread is about the attempts to end the world's most brutal blockade and allow Gazans to rebuild their lives.

We should let JC3 distract us with his calls to invade Israel, his claims that Israel cannot be reasoned with, his calls to meet violence with yet more violence, his constant questioning of Israel's 'right-to-exist'.

Those things are all distractions from the matter in hand. We are all here to talk about attempts to break the blockade, and of the events that transpired as the Israeli Defence Forces captured the six ships in international waters.


We must now return to the thread
Nine Turkish men on board Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times, autopsy results reveal
Israel was tonight under pressure to allow an independent inquiry into its assault on the Gaza aid flotilla after autopsy results on the bodies of those killed, obtained by the Guardian, revealed they were peppered with 9mm bullets, many fired at close range.

Nine Turkish men on board the Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times and five were killed by gunshot wounds to the head, according to the vice-chairman of the Turkish council of forensic medicine, which carried out the autopsies for the Turkish ministry of justice today.

The results revealed that a 60-year-old man, Ibrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back. A 19-year-old, named as Fulkan Dogan, who also has US citizenship, was shot five times from less that 45cm, in the face, in the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back. Two other men were shot four times, and five of the victims were shot either in the back of the head or in the back, said Yalcin Buyuk, vice-chairman of the council of forensic medicine.

The findings emerged as more survivors gave their accounts of the raids. Ismail Patel, the chairman of Leicester-based pro-Palestinian group Friends of al-Aqsa, who returned to Britain today, told how he witnessed some of the fatal shootings and claimed that Israel had operated a "shoot to kill policy".

He calculated that during the bloodiest part of the assault, Israeli commandos shot one person every minute. One man was fatally shot in the back of the head just two feet in front him and another was shot once between the eyes. He added that as well as the fatally wounded, 48 others were suffering from gunshot wounds and six activists remained missing, suggesting the death toll may increase.

The new information about the manner and intensity of the killings undermines Israel's insistence that its soldiers opened fire only in self defence and in response to attacks by the activists.

"Given the very disturbing evidence which contradicts the line from the Israeli media and suggests that Israelis have been very selective in the way they have addressed this, there is now an overwhelming need for an international inquiry," said Andrew Slaughter MP, a member of the all party group on Britain and Palestine.

Israel said tonight the number of bullets found in the bodies did not alter the fact that the soldiers were acting in self defence. "The only situation when a soldier shot was when it was a clearly a life-threatening situation," said a spokesman for the Israeli embassy in London. "Pulling the trigger quickly can result in a few bullets being in the same body, but does not change the fact they were in a life-threatening situation."

Protesters from across the country will tomorrow march from Downing Street to the Israeli embassy to call for Israel to be held to account for its actions.

Earlier this week, William Hague, the foreign secretary, said the government would call for an inquiry under international auspices if Israel refuses to establish an independent inquiry, including an international presence.

The autopsy results were released as the last of the Turkish victims was buried.

Dr Haluk Ince, the chairman of the council of forensic medicine in Istanbul, said that in only one case was there a single bullet wound, to the forehead from a distant shot, while every other victim suffered multiple wounds. "All [the bullets] were intact. This is important in a forensic context. When a bullet strikes another place it comes into the body deformed. If it directly comes into the body, the bullet is all intact."

He added that all but one of the bullets retrieved from the bodies came from 9mm rounds. Of the other round, he said: "It was the first time we have seen this kind of material used in firearms. It was just a container including many types of pellets usually used in shotguns. It penetrated the head region in the temple and we found it intact in the brain."

An unnamed Israeli commando, who purportedly led the raid on the Mavi Marmara, today told Israeli news website Ynet News that he shot at a protester who approached him with a knife. "I was in front of a number of people with knives and clubs," he said. "I cocked my weapon when I saw that one was coming towards me with a knife drawn and I fired once. Then another 20 people came at me from all directions and threw me down to the deck below …

"We knew they were peace activists. Though they wanted to break the Gaza blockade, we thought we'd encounter passive resistance, perhaps verbal resistance – we didn't expect this. Everyone wanted to kill us. We encountered terrorists who wanted to kill us and we did everything we could to prevent unnecessary injury."
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/04/gaza-flotilla-activists-autopsy-results
 
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